Chavez makes U.S. murder plot claim

It might be just a foil, to cover himself. I think he should go public with it. Blow the whole thing open.

Do you think he'll defend the WH? Call for the removal of Chavez ?

known to be paranoid before? If anything happens to him, what position will that put bush in, guilty or not?

since sometimes "paranoia" is the appropriate emotion..and based on reality...which certainly is the case with Chavez and the USA. He has made a wise decision to make this public...and is letting the world and Bush know..that if he is assassinated, the oil to the USA will cease.

is anything there the repukes can use against him. In my opinion, he is probably right.

Ok, I know why: polarization, hyperbole and threats is how the MSM wants to portray VZ and Chávez.

It makes me think the US is about to pull something on VZ.

The media is really setting the scene in a way that most likely does not reflect reality.

CARACAS: Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez said his government may sell eight U.S. refineries as part of a strategy by the world's fifth-largest supplier of oil to reduce dependency on sales to the United States.

''Not one Venezuelan works at these refineries,'' Chávez said in Buenos Aires on Tuesday, according to Venezuela's Communication and Information Ministry. ``They don't give us one cent of profit. They don't pay taxes in Venezuela. This is economic imperialism.''

Chávez, who on January 30, signed agreements with China to boost sales of gas and oil, also said he may sell refineries in Germany, Sweden and the United Kingdom, according to the ministry's website.

Venezuela's threat to exit U S businesses reflects stepped-up rhetoric by Chávez, 50, a friend of Cuban President Fidel Castro, to reduce business with the United States, buyer of about half of all Venezuelan oil exports.

''We have serious concerns,'' White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Tuesday at a press briefing when asked about Chávez's plan to reduce oil business with the United States.

http://www.caribupdate.com/Venezuela%20Oil%20Feb%2003.htm

Power is the expectation of being obeyed. The Bushites do not
understand power coming from consent of the governed, all they
understand is power that comes from threats and coercion. Now
they are being publicly disobeyed, called out, and they don't have
any new ideas. Thus we get the spectacle of three "dissidents"
testi-lying from a cubicle in the US interests section in Cuba
and the seven Central American nations doing little obedience
rituals in the form of CAFTA and this new "security" force, and
Bush "ordering" Syria out of Iraq; demonstrations that he can
instill a bit of fear in someone.

Ok...there's a large amount of oil in Venezuela, correct?

So, the US has 8 refineries there-- and we don't employ any Venezuelans, pay taxes to them or give them one cent of profit from this oil. We just refine the oil and then use it in the US.

Uhhhhmmm...I feel like an idiot asking this question--but are we just there, taking their oil? We pilfer their resources with no payback to them?

I'm really not getting this.

Maybe I'm missing something...any insight would be most appreciated.

The Bush administration could surprise us all and strike in Venezuela befor they do anything in Iran or Syria. There may be a strategic reason for intervening in Venezuela.

1) It's much closer than the Middle East. We currently burn through 20 to 25% of the world's oil on a daily basis. The US has barred China from using the Panama Canal, so we have unobstructed access to V. oil.

Plus, world opinion is very much focused on Iraq and Iran right now. This could be a quick little diversion, and take the world by surprise. I've also read that the US cannot be the World Oil Hegemon without Venezuelan oil. We MUST have that country's resources, otherwise we're left out in the open.

And there are several threads which detail how Chavez has signed agreements with China and India, something that must just drive Washington crazy right now. And this is not the only one.

Washington is currently being hit with many failures, colossal losses. Just watch them get pushed to the brink.

I've read recent accounts that US forces are starting to mass on the island of Curacao, right outside Venezuela. Chavez has pushed the 'Red Alert' button several times. This is not the first time he's said this. He's going to be like the victim being approached by the mugger. He's going to yell and scream, every step of the way. It might give the mugger reason to pause.

The last time I checked, Chavez was democratically elected by the people of his country, Venezuela.
Apparently chimp feels that there "should be limits" to democracy.

yea, right. chavez more than anybody knows that the US is really out to get him. a paranoid is only paranoid when there's no visible cause to be...he's got plenty...

a "recall" election funded and spearheaded by bushco.

And they accuse the guy of being "paranoid".

Seems he's just preaching what a lot of us already suspect and expect.

Bush is pro-life!

the arrangement between the US and Venezuela, in terms of what monies are paid to pump oil there? I would prefer to withhold judgement until I have a better understanding of what the particulars are in this case.

I'd also like to see the proof Chavez has, as I'd prefer that my elected leaders NOT assissinate or undermine the legally and democratically elected leaders of another sovreign nation. I'm kinda picky like that, yanno.

Trust me, if I was Chavez, I'd be screaming from the rooftops too!

It is historical fact that our gov't assassinates democratically elected leaders of foreign countries, hell, it was an approved CIA policy!

Kissinger has spoken publicly about this (although he later claimed he "called it off", the coup folks just didn't get the bat signal in time).

Chavez should be talking daily about how the US is plotting to kill him - if he wants any chance in saving his own life.

companies are in Venezuela, extracting the V. oil, while not hiring locals and while paying no money to the host country. The US government has tried to overthrow Chavez; he knows it. Bush has screwed up. There needs to be rioting in the streets if anything happens to Chavez. Enough is enough. We have already supported murderers in Haiti, Nicaragua, and no telling where else. Now to protect himself this elected president is going public; he is especially sage to be signing deals with powerful and disparate countries. As an American I pray that his techniques work.

As a result, Chile got Pinochet - lots of blood on our hands when we gave that murderous thug control.

Chavez has a right to be concerned since * wants his country's oil.

:kick:

from a media source that you can trust

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2005%20Opinion%20Editorials/February/23%20o/In%20Defense%20of%20the%20Venezuelan%20Revolution%20By%20Zack%20Krasuk.htm