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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:21 PM
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Attorney: Claims of Schiavo abuse bogus
CLEARWATER - State officials received 89 abuse complaints about Terri Schiavo in previous years and none were found to be credible, her husband's lawyer said Friday.

Attorney George Felos did not detail the complaints made to the Department of Children and Families, saying he had been considering releasing them to reporters but questions remain about whether they are confidential.

Felos' comments came the day after reporters obtained a copy of DCF's motion to intervene in the Schiavo case to investigate the latest abuse and neglect complaints it has received.

The DCF petition said the agency had received 30 new allegations of abuse, neglect or exploitation of Schiavo, 41, who lives in a Pinellas Park nursing home.


http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/05/Tampabay/Attorney__Claims_of_S.shtml

There is more here about a FEDERAL bill to be introduced by a Florida rep by the name of Weldon. He was approached by Ken Connor, who is a lawyer and "conservative" activist who represented Jeb Bush in the matter of the Florida version of "Terri's Law."
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:36 PM
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1. soooo, basically it seems that random, uninvolved and unrelated
individuals (unrelated to the case, not non-relatives) are calling in and accusing abuse? I wonder who is doing/encouraging that? Right to lifers, maybe? Hmmmmm. This is a hard one to figure out.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:45 PM
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3. The radical right groups are funding it. The whole thing.
I posted a thread about this earlier, but nobody noticed, and I was disappointed, because I really feel that this one is important.

They're not going to let go of this.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:47 PM
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15. Why is the radical 'Christian' right so afraid....
to let Terri go to the God that they purportedly believe in? Why are they so afraid of death?

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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:43 AM
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25. I've wondered the same thing myself? except that I think she's already
there...her body is the only thing left here...
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:43 AM
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24. I hear you. I didn't see your thread, sorry, but I agree.
sickening.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:58 PM
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18. See, that's what I don't get.
Why are "pro-life" people all over this case? She's dead, her body is just a shell. When your cerebral cortex has been replaced with spinal fluid, you're not there anymore.

So I don't get the rightwingers behind this nonsense.

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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:42 AM
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23. yep. I don't get it either.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:45 PM
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2. Meanwhile, these "Christians" are taking away limited
resources from an agency that won't be able to investigate real claims of abuse against children while they run around chasing snipe.

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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:47 PM
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4. So a state agency has been called in to participate?
What a farce.

This is an agency that cannot keep workers and who lose several children under it's protection yearly due to their high case load numbers. Now they have to check out 89 abuse claims for one person because the governor of this state wants to win a political battle?

Where is the outrage?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:56 PM
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7. The 89 called in much earlier.
The recent 34 called in around the time the judge set the deadline for the feeding tube to be removed, I think. :shrug:
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:11 PM
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11. all florida state agencies have been politicized to
serve jeb's needs. he took away civil service protection from supervisors and managers in state agencies. you either do what he wants, which would include going to court on allegations you know are bogus, or you choose your other option which is resignation of your job. it's either that or you are fired.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:22 PM
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22. This is SOP for red state governments
They can get rid of anyone who disagrees with the political position of the governor and be replaced by friends of the governor.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:51 PM
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5. What is the scope of the Fl. DCF?
I always thought they were to handle problems with children up to the age of 18! Wasn't it Fl. DCF that lost several kids in their system a year or so ago? Do they really have the time and manpower to mess with this case?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:54 PM
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6. Probably not. It was a foolish decision to try and gain
whatever crumb of respect they could muster, I guess.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:57 PM
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8. they are useless
many cases hear have been lost......kids being abused and the caseworkers just don't bother to check.........now this makes me sick......they're all up in arms with the Terri case..........but let other kids suffer because they haven't enough workers...........
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:03 PM
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9. Well, I suspect it a lot of pressure from good ole' Jeb!
Back when Shrub was first running for Pres, and I really thought he was an incompetent idiot, I heard Jeb speaking somewhere. I actually said...That's the brother that should be running. He sounds intelligent, and rational, unlike his older brother who can't complete a sentenance without screwing up at least one word!

Well, Jeb does present a better image, but I think he's a worse politician than his brother because he can sound reasonable!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:08 PM
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10. They are the consummate politicians, born and raised to be
nothing else. They sound they way they feel they have to sound to get elected.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:16 PM
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13. heres just 1 case
TAMPA - The warning signs were on Ronnie Paris' face.

Five times after the 3-year-old was reunited with his mother and father last December, caseworkers saw bruises, a scratch and a possible burn on his cheeks and forehead.

They also saw he was repeatedly vomiting and regressing in his speech and toilet training.

Given Ronnie's history - he was sent to foster care in 2002 because someone broke his leg and arm - caseworkers should have seen the danger signaled by these new injuries, according to a preliminary state report.

Instead, they rated his living situation as low-risk and allowed him to continue staying with his mother and father.


http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/04/Hillsborough/Signs_of_abuse_went_u.shtml
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:21 PM
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16. More than useless. I once called DFC about an elementary school girl
who was involved with a group where I was an officer. There was some physical as well as behavoiral evidence that she was beeing abused. But because I did not know the girl's address or what school she attended, DFC would not investigate even though I knew where this child was four or more nights a week. The person who answered the phone agreed that what I described did indeed sound like the child was being abused, but told me I had to get her parent's names, their address and their phone numbers.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:00 PM
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19. Neglecting endangered children over a brain-dead shell...heartless!
NT!

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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:16 PM
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12. DCF like most state human services agencies
has a division that deals with adult/elderly abuse. primarily the elderly who cannot take care of themselves, who are in danger because of loss of mental functioning. also investigates reports of elder abuse by caretakers, etc. this is where schiavo comes in. she is disabled adult unable to make her own decisions and subject to possible neglect and/or abuse by others. DCF has the responsibility to investigate those types of allegations and take appropriate action.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:45 PM
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14. Thanks. I never realized that. I always though it was for children.
Adult abuse, I thought cam under the DA's office.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:03 PM
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20. I hate to sound insensitive...
...but she's brain-dead, not "disabled".

This is a waste of needed services, IMHO.

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 06:24 AM
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26. "Disabled"
Courtesy of Webster:

1 : to deprive of legal right, qualification, or capacity


This definition would fit what they've done to Terri, don't you think? Along with stripping her of any human dignity.

Elder abuse? What they are doing to her screams of it. Where is her parents' love, compassion, and faith?

Jeb.... another toxic bush.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:39 PM
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17. I heard a right-wing radio guy today say...
...that if we "kill" Terri Schiavo--then that opens the door for killing anyone based on their quality of life.

He then went on to say that he has many times wanted to put a gun to Tim Robbins' head--because he disagrees with the way he leads his life. He continued...I could make a case for putting down half of the audience at the Oscars! The way those poor saps live THEIR lives! Is that what we want??

I apologize for not knowing who the radio personality was. I immmediately turned it off--after hearing this.

These people are nuts.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:04 PM
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21. Tim Robbins' cerbral cortex still functions.
Hers doesn't. SHE'S DEAD. They need to move on. She's gone.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:55 PM
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27. Report: Caseworker failed to recognize abuse before boy died
Tampa, Florida - A new report by the state Department of Children and Families says a caseworker's inability to recognize signs of abuse and neglect in a three-year-old boy likely contributed to his death.

The report released yesterday says caseworker Linda Miller noticed some problems but didn't think her findings were serious enough to notify authorities in the case of Ronnie Paris.

The boy died January 28th after six days on life support. His father has been charged with murder and aggravated child abuse in the beating death. The boy's mother mother has been charged with child neglect and failing to obtain medical attention for her son.

The report criticized Miller, who had access to three years' worth of records that indicated Ronnie had been abused and neglected almost since birth. <snip>

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=12295


Guess them there Jebbites is a-workin overtime to try and keep stories like thisun outa the news: them all must be a-filled with joy and praise that they's got poor Terri to use to distract everbody's attention ...

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