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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:41 PM
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Wounded Italian Hostage Arrives Home, Speaks With Prosecutors
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=aRueVtaX.ri0&refer=europe

March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Giuliana Sgrena, the Italian reporter that U.S.-led forces shot and wounded hours after she was freed from her kidnappers in Iraq, arrived in Rome today and was immediately questioned by Italian prosecutors.

Sgrena, 57, was wounded and an Italian intelligence officer, Nicola Calipari, was killed when coalition forces fired on their convoy as it approached a Baghdad checkpoint yesterday, according to the Italian government and a U.S. military spokesman. Italy said the shooting came from U.S. forces. The U.S. military wouldn't say who fired the shots. snip

Sgrena told Rome prosecutors Franco Ionta and Pietro Saviotti that the shots didn't come from soldiers standing at a checkpoint.

``It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol that started shooting after pointing some lights in our direction,'' the Ansa news agency cited Sgrena as telling the prosecutors. ``We hadn't previously encountered any checkpoint and we didn't understand where the shots came from.''

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This has the makings of a full blown international incident.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:53 PM
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1. International incident? Good.
F*ck Mr.bush.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:13 PM
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28. U.S. DEATH SQUADS
"Lets Grease those Zipper heads--- OOPS Wrong War -- I mean Islamics !!</Sarcasm>
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:58 PM
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2. It's becoming increasingly obvious how repugnant the neoCON,...
,...leadership is to not only this country but the whole world.

The neoCONs are the most dangerous destabilizing force that has existed in quite some time.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:00 PM
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3. Freepers are now claiming she rigged her capture
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:35 PM
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14. They reek of desperation, at times. Don't they?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 07:06 AM
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77. As opposed to...
...the post a few clicks up, which claims that US troops are now "death squads" that aparently go around assasinating insignificant left-wing Italian journalists. For reasons, I might add, that nobody has bothered to explain beyond vague references to her having "information" harmful to the US - none of which has actually been made public, of course.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #77
96. Guiliana is a well known war coorespondent
she has been writing about Iraq for years. I'm sure if you google her name you will be able to find other articles that she's published.


Napalm Raid on Falluja?
73 charred bodies -- women and children -- were found
GIULIANA SGRENA

23 November 2004

«We buried them, but we could not identify them because they were charred from the napalm bombs used by the Americans». People from Saqlawiya village, near Falluja, told al Jazeera television, based in Qatar, that they helped bury 73 bodies of women and children completely charred, all in the same grave. The sad story of common graves, which started at Saddam’s times, is not yet finished. Nobody could confirm if napalm bombs have been used in Falluja, but other bodies found last year after the fierce battle at Baghdad airport were also completely charred and some thought of nuclear bombs. No independent source could verify the facts, since all the news arrived until now are those spread by journalists embedded with the American troops, who would only allow British and American media to enrol with them. But the villagers who fled in the last few days spoke of many bodies which had not been buried: it was too dangerous to collect the corpses during the battle.

Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of the military campaign, the American Headquarters allowed a convoy of the Red Crescent (the Iraqi Red Cross) to enter the city with 7 ambulances and two trucks filled with food. In the past days the convoys of the humanitarian organizations were stopped on the other side of Eufrathes. Thus maybe we will now be able to obtain some more news on the conditions of the people who are left in the city -- the majority fled -- during 15 days of fierce and uninterrumpted attacks.

http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dd721e0ff0.html

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jfalchion Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:27 PM
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47. HOW?
I don't want to swim thru all the crap over there.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:44 PM
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50. Sounds like something the Swift Boat Liars would come up with.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 02:36 AM
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75. And I suppose she arranged her kidnapping too?
Gawd the Freepers are a bunch of idiots...The shit that they come up with and concoct in their twisted minds is amazing....

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 07:08 AM
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78. Uh huh.
Those guys crack me up. So the Iraq insurgency is now in league with western journalists? (except when it's killing them, aparently)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:01 PM
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4. "the shots didn't come from soldiers standing at a checkpoint."
``It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol that started shooting after pointing some lights in our direction''

Sounds like one of those death squads the Pentagon has contracted.

This is going to be a big incident, and I hope it forces Berlusconi to pull out of Iraq.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:10 PM
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7. Berlusconi is on thin ice. He met her at the airport
Can you imagine Bush meeting a wounded reporter at the airport? He doesn't even meet our wounded soldiers when they come home. The Italians are not forgiving in these instances. Berlusconi makes a mistake on this and he will find himself hanging upside down like Mussolini. And he knows it.

Don

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:15 PM
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10. "hanging upside down like Mussolini"
What a delicious image!
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:30 PM
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58. Right, pulling the Italian troops out might increase the danger for our...
...troops, and wouldn't that be a great thing?

Sick.

I'm done, that's my last post on this miserable subject.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:03 PM
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65. You seem more concerned about Bush's Imperial troops than you are
about the innocent civilians being butchered by them.

Not once have you said the troops should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:30 PM
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66. I'm concerned about AMERICAN troops and innocent civilians...
....and like John Kerry I believe that we should have a phased pull out of AMERICAN troops as the Iraqi government is able to meet its citizen's security needs.

Otherwise, there will be an even greater bloodbath as that tiny fraction of Sunni killers and oustiders attempt to take over the country despite an overwhelming majority being Shiites.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:34 AM
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:57 AM
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76. We should support our troops
while they commit war crimes? The "they have no choice defense" can't be applied here, this is the ALL VOLUNTEER Army, they have already made their choice. Sorry if your loved-one is "serving" in Iraq or elsewhere, it's time for them to re-sign or desert and it's time for you to help them. At some time in the future they may be tried for war crimes and they will have NO EXCUSE, save them, get them OUT, NOW!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:48 PM
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sal Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #58
100. I seen so many creepy spooks today you'd think it's Halloween
*
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:06 PM
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5. She had information, and the US military did not want her to survive
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=38054

<snip>"The Americans and Italians knew about (her) car coming," Pier Scolari said on leaving Celio hospital.

"They were 700 meters (yards) from the airport, which means that they had passed all checkpoints."

Friday`s shooting was heard by Berlusconi`s aides who were on the phone with one of the intelligence officers, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged.

"Giuliana had information, and the US military did not want her to survive," he added.

When Sgrena was kidnapped on February 4 she was writing an article on refugees from Fallujah seeking shelter at a Baghdad mosque after US forces bombed the former Sunni rebel bastion.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:12 PM
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8. and the car was not speeding, according to Giuliana herself
We are seeing all of the lies falling like dominoes right in front of our eyes, yet we have a handful of posters still insisting that what CNN and FAUX are reporting is still the unabashed truth. Why is that?

:eyes:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Just look at who the poster are & read their other postings.
You'll know EXACTLY where they are coming from & what their true motives are.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
69. Where the hell is the pizza?
It's really taking way too long.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 02:02 PM
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102. OT: a lot of threads on DU disappear after a few days.
I have been quite unsuccessful at locating some threads I've contributed to just a few days later. The point is that the DU record appears to be skewed to one degree or another.

I have found myself asking why I can't find these threads when I've donated cash to be a member.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:02 PM
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36. Whatever the information the journalist has that the US doesn't want out
indicates the fragile grasp of control the US has in Iraq.
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:28 PM
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57. Yeah, she said so right here.....read her words carefully IG...
<<Asked if the car was going too fast when the US troops opened fire, she said: "We weren't going particularly fast given that type of situation.">>

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:38 PM
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32. You're absolutely right.
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 04:40 PM by igil
I mean, look at the evidence. One killed, one wounded, one ok; and then treated by medics and airlifted out.

The same usual bungling from the military: they send a patrol to kill three people, and they wind up only icing one, and treating one more. You'd think they'd at least be able to not call for the medic.

edited to add: The Spanish language version quoted her as saying that the car "wasn't going particularly fast for that kind of situation". That I find ambiguous.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 07:09 AM
Response to Reply #5
79. Where is it?
If this information is so important, why doesn't she release it?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #79
97. See my response to you above
she has published numereous articles about what is going on in Iraq.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:09 PM
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6. they are running wild in the streets.
it's anarchy. no one knows who called the hit.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:13 PM
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9. yeah, but how can we take just her word for it, she's a FOREIGNER, sheesh.
:cry:

some, even right here on DU, will STILL complain that there is NO 'real' evidence of our WAR CRIMES :crazy:

thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs* :bounce:

so the spin docs can't get away with their BS night after night since we got a PAPER TRAIL :evilgrin:


http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace

* made it plural ;->
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:18 PM
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11. It just hit me who did the deed...
<Italy said the shooting came from U.S. forces. The U.S. military wouldn't say who fired the shots.>


Rummy's SS unit! Had to be! Their first official assignment and they fucked it up!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. I doubt this was their first assignment
The first one where they got caught maybe?

Don

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:59 PM
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34. true enough...
somehow I just figure their first big assignment would big as big a fuck-up as anything rummy has done!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:48 PM
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17. I believe you could be right.
This has got to be an assignment from either:
a) Negroponte's Death Squad, or
b) RumsFinished's SS squad.

The plan was to kill them both. For some reason, Sgrena was not killed. Now she's living to tell her tale, and I'm willing to bet some "sharpshooter" is going to get killed for this.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
59. I asked CLG to pull link re: Rummy's death squad...
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:29 PM
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13. I knew the story that the Italians sped by a checkpoint was Bullshit. n/t
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:43 PM
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15. Don`t expect the truth anytime soon.
King George will have his little cheerleaders hit all the Sunday talk shows with the "speeding through a checkpoint" story. Wingnuts will start an anti-Italy campaign, Americans will run out and buy a few more flags and that will be the end of it.

This is a no rules administration. They do what they want because no one can stop them.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. And we will all soon be eating
"Freedom pasta."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Freedom pasta? LMAO
Freedom fries and now freedom pasta. What's next, freedom bagels?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Freedom bacon
instead of Canadian bacon, maybe?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Those nasty Canadians! How dare they refuse our Fuehrer's missile defense
Anschluss, anyone?

Rightwingers did relish the time Canadian troops were killed by a "brave" US pilot high on go-pills in Afghanistan. Some people in here believe that the US never does anything wrong and that it should never make amends for anything.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Freedom pizza !
With a glass of Freedom chianti.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:45 PM
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16. "the US military did not want her to survive""the shooting was deliberate"
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1671944,00.html

US attacked Sgrena: companion
05/03/2005 17:02 - (SA)


Rome - The companion of freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena on Saturday levelled serious accusations at US troops who fired at her convoy as it was nearing Baghdad airport, saying the shooting had been deliberate.


"The Americans and Italians knew about (her) car coming," Pier Scolari said on leaving Rome's Celio military hospital where Sgrena is to undergo surgery following her return home.

"They were 700m from the airport, which means that they had passed all checkpoints."

The shooting late on Friday was overheard by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office, which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged.

"Giuliana had information, and the US military did not want her to survive," he added.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. I'm shaking my head in
disbelief re my inability to believe anything that is said on MSM. Do they even care about their lack of credibility.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
52. Is there any way
to contact the Italian Government and tell them we are behind their investigation, and tell them please don't stop till they find the truth? Kinda like the petition to the Germans to arrest Rummy for war crimes while he was over there.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:42 PM
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21. The Salvador Option is action? n/t
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:57 PM
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23. An intended target of the Octopus has survived!
This is very rare.

Eyes open, folks. I sense this is gonna make waves.


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:00 PM
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24. BBC: Hostage recalls 'hail of gunfire'
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 03:19 PM by IndianaGreen
BBC points out that Giuliana Sgrena is a veteran war correspondent.

Last Updated: Saturday, 5 March, 2005, 16:01 GMT

Hostage recalls 'hail of gunfire'


She denied US military accounts that the car was speeding past a checkpoint when it was fired upon.

"There was suddenly this shooting, we were hit by a hail of gunfire, and I was speaking with Nicola, who was telling me about what had been happening in Italy in the meantime, when he leaned towards me, probably also to protect me," Ms Sgrena told Rai radio.

There was suddenly this shooting, we were hit by a hail of gunfire

"And then he collapsed and I realised that he was dead."

She said the shooting continued "because the driver wasn't even managing to explain that we were Italian".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4321913.stm
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:00 PM
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25. Well, who are we going to believe?
We say the "Italian convoy speeding towards a checkpoint manned by US forces near Baghdad airport", that it "ignored signals to slow down and stop...that US soldiers who fired on a speeding vehicle waved their hands and arms, flashed white lights and fired warning shots in a failed attempt to get it to stop."

She says none of that happened...

Who do we believe?
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. I know....
who i believe.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #26
70. ....and it isn't John Negroponte
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:00 PM
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27. I would believe the Italian account long before the American account.
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I doubt that much
of anybody in the world believes busho, the neocons or the us military anymore. I know that I don't.
rw
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. From the Red State Road Tour, "Bush is a good man..."
over and over again... He's got this Elvis thing going, I'm afraid. "

No one gonna speak bad about the King while I'm around" :hurts:
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cubschicago Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:59 PM
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35. Here are some facts to consider
She passed all checkpoints and was approved for pass. She was raided by a patrol and not the checkpoint AFTER she was approved from all checkpoints - and was only 700 meters away from her destination. And all forces in control of that road were notified of her passage. This SS Italian agent has done this before without problem. Would you at least admit that the Americans look a little fishy?

This is an article I got off another thread.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=38054
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
60. They agree about the lights.
But Sgrena and her companion/husband don't agree: he said they passed all the checkpoints; this says they didn't pass any.

On the other hand, what's the odds that there's some sort of security to get into the airport?
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:25 PM
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56. And then there was this quote.....
<<Asked if the car was going too fast when the US troops opened fire, she said: "We weren't going particularly fast given that type of situation.">>



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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. Why do you keep repeating that line like you think it means something?
Here's another quote, read it carefully:

"Scregna says the conduct of the car in which she was being transported to liberty couldn't possibly justify the fusillade that riddled it and its occupants with bullets. "Our car was rolling along at normal speed, so it was impossible for there to have been a misunderstanding,"Scregna told the Italian magistrates who've been charged with investigating the murderous incident, according to the Italian wire service Ansa-- which also says her account has been confirmed by one of the Italian secret service agents in the car with her, who was likewise wounded.

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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #68
74. Perhaps because I think it means something?
Why do you keep repeating that line like you think it means something?

This is too easy.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:09 PM
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38. Journalists protest at deaths of (Arab) colleagues, Mar. 2004

A group of Arab journalists outraged after US soldiers shot dead two colleagues walked out of a press conference held by US Secretary of State Colin Powell in protest.



A representative of the Iraqi media read out a statement on Friday at the start of the news conference, condemning Thursday's killing of the two journalists from the Dubai-based al-Arabiya television channel, as Powell and Iraq's US occupying adminstrator Paul Bremer looked on.

One journalist stood up as soon as Powell walked into the room at the Baghdad convention centre and read a statement saying that after one year of "US occupation," Americans cannot provide security in Iraq.

"We demand an open investigation in front of the mass media," the Arab journalist said. "We also demand that security be guaranteed to journalists" working in Iraq, he said.

Seconds later, more than 20 journalists walked out of the room.

The death brought to five the number of journalists killed in Iraq in less than 24 hours.

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In total, six journalists have been killed (as of Mar. 30, 2004) at the hands of US occupying soldiers in Iraq since George Bush declared an end to major combat on 1 May 2003.


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"They were shot when they were going away from the checkpoint, not approaching it, so they were shot from the back. This is what eyewitnesses from the bureau are saying," he added.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/30E895C5-79E1-4A46-B1A2-15F6C8A0E6B4.htm
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:16 PM
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39. when i got up this morning there were posts here
about this issue and several of us were speculating about this and why they were fired on..i thought they wanted to go thru the checkpoint cause they were afraid of the us military at the check point..now we find it wasn`t at the check point but it was beyond that post...thank god for the furn`r press...sounds like a black opps job by bush`s republican guard
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:17 PM
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40. Reporters W/O Borders "extremely disappointed" at US troops being cleared
of all blame for attack on Palestine Hotel that killed two journalists (16 Nov 2004)

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11856

Reporters Without Borders said today it was "extremely disappointed" that the final US report on the April 2003 firing by American troops on Baghdad's Palestine Hotel had concluded that "no fault or negligence" could be attributed to the US army for an action that killed two journalists.

It criticised the investigation report, obtained under the US Freedom of Information Act, for focusing entirely on the behaviour of the Alpha 4-64 Armor Company, whose tank fired on the hotel, and for not dealing with why the higher military command did not pass on to the unit information it had about the occupants of the hotel.

The worldwide press freedom organisation made its own investigation and in January this year blamed the incident on the failure of senior officers to tell the troops the hotel contained journalists.

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The report "highly recommend that non-embedded media personnel routinely inform the proper military and civilian authorities of their locations during combat operations."

This conclusion is very hard to swallow when many of the journalists in the hotel had done exactly that during the fighting. Reporters Without Borders found that several had informed their employers, some of them in the United States, of the hotel's GPS location. The pan-Arab TV station Al-Jazeera had consistently told the Pentagon of the composition and location of its crews, but its Baghdad offices were nonetheless bombed, killing a reporter.


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:53 PM
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99. The same thing happened to Dana Mazen
he was filming the fresh graves around Abu Ghraib when they killed him in broad daylight. The troops around the prison were very familiar with him and he had checked in when he arrived. They knew exactly who they were killing that day.

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:21 AM
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107. Thanks for the reminder of that incident
The list of killed journalists is long.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:22 PM
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41. Swedish newspaper: US claims car fire killed Italian negotiator
Source: Dagens Nyheter, Swedish online newspaper
Date: March 5, 2005
Translated by: Cliss

link: http://dn.se/DNet/jsp/poloply.jsp?d=148&a=386937&previousRenderType=6

Freed Journalist accuses Americans of shooting.

The Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has returned to Italy after having been freed by her hostage-takers -- and was shot by American soldiers.

"They shot without any motive" was the top headline of the Internet newspaper Corriera Della Serra on Friday. "I saw him die", wrote the newspaper La Stampa on the internet.

<snip>
Giuliana Sgrena's account of the events do not match up with the American story that the car was driving at high speed toward a checkpoint when it was shot. "We were not going particularly fast at that time", she answered to a question over the Italian radio.

Giuliana Sgrena also told of how the shooting happened at Checkpoint 504 - Camp Victory by Baghdad airport. Sgrena sat in the car and was talking to the negotiator Nicola Calipari about her month as a hostage, when Calipari leaned over her, probably to protect her.

"Suddenly, we were being shot at and were hit by a shower of bullets. Then he collapsed and I realized he was dead", told Sgrena. She then said the shooting continued, even though the driver told them they were Italians, she said.

The American military reports that Sgrena's car was approaching the road block at a high speed at 20.55 (8:55 pm) on Friday night. The car continued driving in spite of the hand signals, light signals and warning shots from the US soldiers.

The US 3rd infantry division then claimed in a press release that "the driver refused to stop". The US military then shot the car's engine block which caused a fire which killed Nicola Calipari and injured Sgrena and two other unnamed Italians.
<snip>
Berlusconi demanded an immediate explanation <snip>
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This should prove to be very easy to refute. The US is claiming that Calipari perished from the car being on fire. The autopsy will lay to rest any doubts about this.

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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:22 PM
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42. Not "Car Fire" - They FIRED ON THE CAR
This incident needs to be fully investigated, and heads should roll.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:22 PM
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43. The US can't REALLY be claiming that.
This has to be an error somewhwere. There was no 'car fire', period.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:48 AM
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73. Next, they'll claim the Italian agent ate a bad tuna salad
and died of food poisoning. They sure are getting creative with their explanations.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:23 PM
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44. This is absolute utter BS
How could a carfire kill one person, in the back seat?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:24 PM
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45. I am going to repost in GD
since this was combined as a subthread of another headline. This claim is interesting.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:27 PM
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46. Blue, I found similar articles in 2 other Swedish online
newspapers. It appears that they are saying 'car fire', meaning the car was actually burning, like flames leaping up. I'm assuming here they mean the fumes killed the negotiator.

Thanks for moving it. It actually is LBN.

I'll find you the SENTENCES, IN SWEDISH, which say this. Not just 1 newspaper, but several. That should prove, at least what the Swedes are reading.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:33 PM
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49. Tusen tack.
It appears that the story keeps changing for the audience. I am glad others read world papers, not just the US press.
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cubschicago Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:31 PM
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48. I'm sure there will be an autopsy
But I'd think if one person died from it....others would have too.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:50 PM
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94. DU readers: Sorry for the misleading word.
There was a question about the word "car fire" versus "fire on the car". In this article, I wrote that the US claimed that "troops fired at the engine block, and the Italian negotiator was killed by a car fire".

I was assuming here because the article said "bileld", the translation is "carfire", that this meant flames coming out of the engine.

I'm still not sure what they meant here, but I'm guessing that it was NOT FLAMES that killed the Calipari, but GUN FIRE that killed him.

The writer probably should not have used the word 'fire' when referring to 'gunfire', because "eld" is a very old Swedish word, which refers to a fire burning in the fireplace, and so on. I misinterpreted it when they updated the word to mean "fire from a gun".

Sorry. I always want to be accurate, because I care about you, DU:ers :smoke:
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:14 PM
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51. Did the patrol flee the scene of the shooting, leaving the regular troops
from the nearest checkpoint to tend to her wounds? That would support the theory that it was a death squad that not even the rest of the troops were aware of.

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fromBrooklyn Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:47 PM
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53. What do you expect from a leadership that condones torture?
It's getting hard to keep your head up.

These assholes are making us all look like hell.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:04 PM
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54. I just hope * and his posse are not able to lie themselves out of this one
Evil, evil actions on the part of * and his admin, our country is in some serious trouble making enemies of all these nations in the world.

:kick:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:15 PM
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55. US considers 'Salvador option' to tackle Iraq insurgents
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1386819,00.html

The United States is considering setting up an elite squad of assassins to target leaders of the Iraqi insurgency, according to reports yesterday.
Newsweek Magazine said the Pentagon, in Washington, is drawing up possible proposals to send US special forces teams to advise, support and train hand-picked Iraqi squads to target Sunni rebels.

The ploy has apparently been called the "Salvador option" after the strategy that was secretly employed by Ronald Reagan's administration to combat the leftist guerrilla insurgency in El Salvador in the early 1980s. In that instance, the US government backed "nationalist forces" that hunted down rebel leaders and their supporters.

The plans appear to be a sign of the increasing frustration at the continued level of violence in Iraq. snip

The plan would expand the role of the US special forces into undercover missions, something many in the CIA are said to oppose.

The interim government of prime minister Ayad Allawi is said to have given the proposal strong backing.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:51 PM
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63. One "Pro-Occupation" Death Squad Is Already In Operation
Standard Operating Procedure: School of Americas-Strategy of Tension. From one of the most solid journalists in the world, Chris Floyd, the following:

Last month, it was widely reported that the Pentagon is considering a similar program in Iraq. What was not reported, however -- except in the Iraqi press -- is that at least one pro-occupation death squad is already in operation. Just days after the Pentagon plans were revealed, a new militant group, "Saraya Iraqna," began offering big wads of American cash for insurgent scalps -- up to $50,000, the Iraqi paper Al Ittihad reports. "Our activity will not be selective," the group promised. In other words, anyone they consider an enemy of the state will be fair game.

Strangely enough, just as it appears that the Pentagon is establishing Gladio-style operations in Iraq, there has been a sudden rash of terrorist attacks on outrageously provocative civilian targets, such as hospitals and schools, the Guardian reports. Coming just after national elections in which the majority faction supported slates calling for a speedy end to the American occupation, the shift toward high-profile civilian slaughter has underscored the "urgent need" for U.S. forces to remain on the scene indefinitely, to provide security against the ever-present terrorist threat. Meanwhile, the Bushists continue constructing their long-sought permanent bases in Iraq: citadels to protect the oil that incoming Iraqi officials are promising to sell off to American corporations -- and launching pads for new forays in geopolitical domination.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:05 PM
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61. Italian minister say he does not believe the U.S. version of events
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05703936.htm

Body of slain Italian agent gets hero's welcome


06 Mar 2005 00:40:05 GMT

Source: Reuters

By Christiano Corvino

ROME, March 6 (Reuters) - The body of an Italian secret service agent shot by U.S. forces in Iraq was flown home to a hero's welcome early on Sunday amid mounting anger in Italy over his killing.

Agent Nicola Calipari died while shielding reporter Giuliana Sgrena, just freed after a month held hostage, from U.S. troops who opened fire on their car near Baghdad airport. snip

The U.S. military said its forces shot at the car on Friday evening after flashing lights and firing warning shots to try to get it to stop.

Italy's minister for parliamentary relations, Carlo Giovanardi, told state television on Saturday that he did not believe the U.S. version of events.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:24 PM
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62. AP asked to see the vehicle and the US said they don't know where it is
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB934RIY5E.html

<snip>When The Associated Press in Baghdad asked the U.S. military to see the vehicle on Saturday, the military said it didn't know where it was.

Unanswered questions:

- How many people were wounded? The Americans said two civilians. Sgrena and an intelligence agent. Italian authorities said two agents were wounded besides Sgrena. Italian military officials declined to clear up the discrepancy and Berlusconi's office did not respond to a request for information.

- Were the Americans told by the Italians of Sgrena's imminent release or that she would be taken straight to Baghdad airport? Italians will likely be expecting answers early next week when Italian authorities, including Berlusconi, are to brief parliament on the abduction, release and shooting.

- Was ransom paid? An Iraqi lawmaker told Belgian state TV Saturday night that he had "nonofficial" information there was a $1 million payment. A key Italian lawmaker said in September he believed the Italian government paid $1 million for the release of the two women aid workers who were held captive for three weeks. Italy's foreign minister denied that claim.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:56 PM
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64. Pentagon Document Field Manual FM 30-31B-Targeting Civilians
'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West -- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies.

First revealed by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti in 1991, Gladio (from the Latin for "sword") is still protected to this day by its founding patrons, the CIA and MI6. Yet parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have shaken out a few fragments of the truth over the years. These have been gathered in a new book, "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe," by Daniele Ganser, as Lila Rajiva reports on CommonDreams.org.

<snip>

Among the "smoking guns" unearthed by Ganser is a Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, which details the methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that "do not react with sufficient effectiveness" against "communist subversion." Ironically, the manual states that the most dangerous moment comes when leftist groups "renounce the use of force" and embrace the democratic process. It is then that "U.S. army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger." Naturally, these peace-throttling "special operations must remain strictly secret," the document warns.

<snip>

Last month, it was widely reported that the Pentagon is considering a similar program in Iraq. What was not reported, however -- except in the Iraqi press -- is that at least one pro-occupation death squad is already in operation. Just days after the Pentagon plans were revealed, a new militant group, "Saraya Iraqna," began offering big wads of American cash for insurgent scalps -- up to $50,000, the Iraqi paper Al Ittihad reports. "Our activity will not be selective," the group promised. In other words, anyone they consider an enemy of the state will be fair game.

Strangely enough, just as it appears that the Pentagon is establishing Gladio-style operations in Iraq, there has been a sudden rash of terrorist attacks on outrageously provocative civilian targets, such as hospitals and schools, the Guardian reports. Coming just after national elections in which the majority faction supported slates calling for a speedy end to the American occupation, the shift toward high-profile civilian slaughter has underscored the "urgent need" for U.S. forces to remain on the scene indefinitely, to provide security against the ever-present terrorist threat. Meanwhile, the Bushists continue constructing their long-sought permanent bases in Iraq: citadels to protect the oil that incoming Iraqi officials are promising to sell off to American corporations -- and launching pads for new forays in geopolitical domination.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:45 PM
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67. "This has the makings of a full blown international incident"
Indeed, and that's Syria needs to get out of Lebanon...


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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:56 AM
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72. ...then they forced a liter of castor oil down her throat
and told her to watch her step.

Berlusconi is a thug, and his government is the dark side of the Italian psyche. No wonder he gets along so well with Junior.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 09:53 AM
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80. Recent related threads in LBN ...
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
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81. Italian journalist fears troops targeted her
"Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has suggested US troops deliberately tried to kill her moments after she was released by her kidnappers in Baghdad.

Ms Sgrena, writing in her left-wing newspaper Il Manifesto, described how her car came "under a rain of fire".

At that moment, she said she recalled her captors' words that some Americans "don't want you to go back".

The US military, who said troops fired on the speeding car after it failed to stop, has opened a full investigation. "


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4323361.stm

Tell me we don't do this type of thing - please!
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Since selection 2000, yes, we do. There is no way to
trust this government.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. We don't do this type of thing.
....no, sorry. I couldn't say it with a straight face. :(
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
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84. With good reason....
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. If low-level troops
knew that the generals wanted her dead, it will be impossible to cover it up. Too many people will know. Otherwise, this is just baseless speculation (read bullshit) that will do more harm to the anti-war position than to the US government position.

You all have read The Boy Who Cried Wolf, haven't you???
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. Of course, but the journalist is the one who said this
Edited on Sun Mar-06-05 12:27 PM by adigal
Not me. And have you read they NY Times in the last 3 months, or only the NY Post??
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. To answer your
question: I've read both. I like to examine all the evidence before forming an opinion on any issue.

The journalist made the statement. So? She could be telling the truth, she could be telling the truth as she sees it but be mistaken, she could be lying through her teeth. Anybody can say anything.

I am offering no opinion on her statement. I don't know. I am suggesting that before we all jump on the band wagon we wait a little and see how it develops. We've made fools of ourselves before. I as well as others. A little more thought, and a little less hype, will serve the Democrats well, IMO.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Wait just long enough for it to go down the memory hole
Just like the Ehime Maru

Feed the people enough Martha and Jacko, they'll eeventually go back to sleep. Move on, nothing to see here. . .
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #95
104. Right then.
That's my nefarious plan. Geez!!! No wonder we keep losing elections.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #93
101. We have a living witnesses to the event
who happen to be from an ally country. Plusm Guiliana is a well published and experienced war correspondent. I am sure she is very good at recounting the details of an event even under the worst of circumstances. There is no reason to doubt her story. There is every reason to question the US official version of everything. Their record of lies over the last four years is astounding. Besides I haven't seen much of the brass since this thing happened.



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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #101
105. Well, you may indeed be right.
Still, I'd like to wait and see how this turns out. I just do not believe a conspiracy to kill her could be kept quiet if every lowly corporal in the US Army knew enough of it to shoot at her.

I also believe people can, and do, lie for political, religious, professional, social, and other purposes. Not just the US government, the neo-cons, or other conservatives, either.

I also believe that terrible things happen, especially in war, without anybody wanting or meaning for them to happen.

Finally, if she was the target, why isn't she dead? I can't believe the troops are that incompetent.

But you might be right. That's why I am offering no opinion whatever on the validity of her claim. Just that I want to see what evidence of deliberate targeting comes to light.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. We have Negroponte and we have the Pentagon's Psy Ops organization
patterned after the deadly and immoral organizations we ran in Central American during the Reagan/bush 1 era over there.

What do you think?
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. I wish someone could tell you that we dont do this...
type of thing...but u already know that we do that type of thing. Why this is not a 24/7 news item will tell ya though...how fearful the media is of the truth...and it has just been reinforced by this act.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
88. If you can't trust George Walker Bush, who can you trust?
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
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90. How can AP's MARIA SANMINIATELLI write 'sped' when Sgrena said it's not
true?
 Meanwhile, an autopsy performed on the agent who died trying to save Giuliana Sgrena reportedly showed he was struck in the temple by a single round and died instantly as the car carrying Sgrena sped to the Baghdad airport

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050306/ap_on_re_eu/italy_iraq_hostage
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
91. Well,in this paranoid delusional era of Mr.Bush
it sort of does seem plausible that someone told someone who told someone to tell the troops to take care of it. Face it, a journalist from a 'leftist' publication who has been in country and seen things probably not reported here, is a liability.
In the insanity of a war zone (though I still refer to it as the invasion) it could be quite easy for this to actually happen by accident. And maybe it was an accident. But I keep thinking, if the Italians knew they were heading to an American checkpoint, and Italy has troops in Iraq making them a member of the coalition, wouldn't our troops just wave them through?
So I'm still waiting for the 'official' report that explains how they could open fire on this car. And then the story the just released hostage and the other survivor will offer. Then maybe we'll know what happened.............
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #81
92. I posted this on another thread that got locked and deleted.?:
Too many coincidences happening here. Yeah, I'll give you there was a patrol out there of young, shoot happy kids on a "night patrol" that did not know what they were shooting at, on purpose, we wil never know the real story until someone in the military stands up! They were set up as fall guys, patsies, Oswald comes to mind.

You think it isn't possible, our gov't and some of the people within (as the Bush Family, Daddy still runs the CIA, don't you know) are the consummate professionals at "black ops".
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 02:02 PM
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103. Few ripples in US over shots fired at freed Italian hostage's convoy
Other than the three words muttered in Cheney's underground cave: Damn, we missed.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=13&u=/afp/usitalyiraqhostage

The US government and media had little to say about the controversy raging in Europe over the death of an Italian secret agent shot by US soldiers in Iraq (news - web sites) as he protected Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who was freed after a month in captivity.

White House officials on Saturday said they had nothing to add following a statement Friday by spokesman Scott McClellan, who said President George W. Bush (news - web sites) had called Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to express regret over the incident.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:14 PM
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106. Yes the WH and Pentagon are not saying much at the moment
Of course the Corporated Controlled Media will not say much either until they get their talking points from the WH.

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