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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:47 PM
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WP: Soldier Who Reported Abuse Was Sent to Psychiatrist
An Army intelligence sergeant who accused fellow soldiers in Samarra, Iraq, of abusing detainees in 2003 was in turn accused by his commander of being delusional and ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation in Germany, despite a military psychiatrist's initial judgment that the man was stable, according to internal Army records released yesterday.

The soldier had angered his commander by urging the unit's redeployment from the military base to prevent what the soldier feared would be the death of one or more detainees under interrogation, according to the documents. He told his commander three members of the counterintelligence team had hit detainees, pulled their hair, tried to asphyxiate them and staged mock executions with pistols pointed at the detainees' heads.

In another case detailed in the Army files, soldiers in a Florida National Guard unit deployed near Ramadi in 2003 compiled a 20-minute video that depicted a soldier kicking a wounded detainee in the face and chest in the presence of 10 colleagues and soldiers positioning a dead insurgent to appear to wave hello. The video was found in a soldier's computer files under the heading "Ramadi Madness," and it initially prompted military lawyers to recommend charges of assault with battery and dereliction of duty for tampering with a corpse.

The unit's commander told Army investigators he was concerned about the images becoming public and promised to take steps to "minimize the risk of this and other videos that may end up in the media."

Both criminal investigations involved events that occurred before the May 2004 revelation of widespread detainee abuse committed by U.S. military personnel at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad in late 2003, but unlike that event, neither of these cases led to criminal charges.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8873-2005Mar4.html
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:51 PM
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2. The USSR used to do the same thing when you didn't tow the party line
I wonder why recruitment is dropping for the military?

Don

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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:52 PM
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3. This is what other countries see about Americans now
We are supposed to be the leaders of the free world. It, sadly enough, is almost understandable that soldiers would act like this in a time of war, because they are humans. That does not make the behavior acceptable. More importantly, the responsiblity needs to be placed as HIGH in the chain as it lies. As in Abu-Ghraib, the memo by Alberto Gonzales to the President clearly states how high up responsibility for acts like this go.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:53 PM
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4. Support the murdering troops, but punish the good troops
particularly when they report wrongdoing.

I think I got it now!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:21 PM
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21. Bingo. (nt)
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:54 PM
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5. Isn't that an old Soviet Union tactic?
If someone disagrees with the Authority figures they are labeled as insane and sent off to a mental institution.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:58 PM
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7. A common tactic used during the war in Afghanistan
It wasn't until the soldiers' families began to compare notes that they realized that the war was FUBAR and that their government had been lying to them.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:56 PM
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6. SHAMEFUL!!!!
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:09 PM
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8. Typical of behaviour of dysfunctional families
The one sane enough and strong enough to label the abuse is sent off to therapy.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:30 PM
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9. Ironic. Before the crime, one MI analysist asked to be sent and was denied
snip>
A mortar attack at Abu Ghraib in September 2003 killed two soldiers, including Mr. Cruz's boss and best friend, 26-year-old David Travis Friedrich. Mr. Cruz took five pieces of shrapnel and was awarded the Purple Heart, but those who know him say his emotional wounds never healed.

He had recurring nightmares and hallucinations. He relived the blinding white light of the blast, the sight of his friend's shredded body, the emptiness in his eyes as he died.

Mr. Cruz testified that he asked a senior sergeant for counseling after the attack, but it was denied. Soldiers who served with Mr. Cruz at Abu Ghraib, and court documents, support that assertion. He has since been diagnosed and is being treated for post-traumatic stress disorder.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030505dnmetcruz.42520.html

That was a month before he committed the crimes he's doing time for now.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:22 PM
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10. This is nothing new. It's been going on in the USA military for ages. n/t
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 03:56 AM
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13. And this incident was reported in the foreign press WEEKS ago. (n/t)
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:46 PM
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11. I'd like to see
how often the therapist thought: this is bullshit, this guy SAW stuff
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:20 PM
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12. So who's this Orwellian commander?
The article is down on the WP site, and I really want to know the name of the jerk who tried to silence the whistleblower.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 06:02 AM
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17. The commander was not named in the article.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:40 AM
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14. I really worry about these honorable servicemen. I hope he stays safe.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:03 AM
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15. Thats it for him. He's been branded as a mental case, and anything...
...he says from now on, will be said to have come from someone suffering from psychiatric disorders. They could do this to anybody.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 05:54 AM
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16. I know my situation is trivial comparatively
but that seems to be the all purpose tactic nowadays. You get declared "mentally ill" if you try to report any abuse that you see in Bush's America. If you try another person to try to get someone to listen to you, they refer back to the other person you tried to talk to. That person then tells them you are "mentally ill" with a wink and a nod. You get branded. By the time the truth you were trying to tell comes out, you have been destroyed. I can relate in my own way.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 03:59 PM
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18. and the perpetrators of "Ramadi Madness" were untouched
the sick fucks that named their own mental illness are still out there among the Iraqis, unaccountable.

And who destroyed the DVD?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:52 PM
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19. Soldier Who Reported Abuse Was Sent to Psychiatrist
sorry if this is a dupe, I looked. I am sickened by this report...this is so Russian old style...

Saturday, March 5, 2005; Page A15

An Army intelligence sergeant who accused fellow soldiers in Samarra, Iraq, of abusing detainees in 2003 was in turn accused by his commander of being delusional and ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation in Germany, despite a military psychiatrist's initial judgment that the man was stable, according to internal Army records released yesterday.

The soldier had angered his commander by urging the unit's redeployment from the military base to prevent what the soldier feared would be the death of one or more detainees under interrogation, according to the documents. He told his commander three members of the counterintelligence team had hit detainees, pulled their hair, tried to asphyxiate them and staged mock executions with pistols pointed at the detainees' heads.

In another case detailed in the Army files, soldiers in a Florida National Guard unit deployed near Ramadi in 2003 compiled a 20-minute video that depicted a soldier kicking a wounded detainee in the face and chest in the presence of 10 colleagues and soldiers positioning a dead insurgent to appear to wave hello. The video was found in a soldier's computer files under the heading "Ramadi Madness," and it initially prompted military lawyers to recommend charges of assault with battery and dereliction of duty for tampering with a corpse.

The unit's commander told Army investigators he was concerned about the images becoming public and promised to take steps to "minimize the risk of this and other videos that may end up in the media."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8873-2005Mar4?language=printer
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 04:52 PM
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20. Hmm, sending "troublemakers" to psychiatric hospitals...
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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1. yep. it's like we are learning from the worst worldwide and using their
bad behavior as a new benchmark for ours.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 07:01 PM
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22. IOKIYANF
It's OK if you're a Neocon Fascist.
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