Topeka protesters show up in Cleveland "Thank God for 9-11"

By Jerry Gunn

CLEVELAND - A Topeka, Kansas anti-gay and lesbian group picketed near Truett-McConnell College Saturday in Cleveland, protesting against the Gay-Straight Alliance Club.

Eight demonstrators from Westboro Baptist Church, six adults and two children, held up protest signs on the roadside near the college entrance as a heavy escort of Cleveland Police and State Troopers looked on.

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Shirley Phelps-Roper held a bright neon painted sign that read "Thank God for 9-11" and claimed it was her duty to come to Cleveland.

"You've got a bunch of lying false prophets that are running these churches being paid to tell people that God loves them," Roper said.

The eight member group scheduled demonstrations through the weekend at different locations around Cleveland and early Monday at White County High School.
http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=89981

Seems the more devout they are the meaner they get. Oh, would there were a Judgement Day!

the Kool Aid.

the Kool Aid.

Our time has come age of the hammerhead
This is our mission to be the darlings of god
Too late for silence too late for anything
It's all too much for me it's roots go down to deep for me
Our punishing fire an animal frenzy
These hammerhead people, you know what danger is for
You let them in and now there everywhere
If it's mineral or vegtable it's back a little up a little


Shout push hammerheads bold and resolute
Marching balancing in too far to go back
Yes yes hammerheads swimming kissing
We are big and clever and we don't know anything

Purification by emersion in our filthy demon seed
We know the only things you like are paranoid sex and childish greed
*Our own worst enemies they hold us to our word
Look at the beast inside us gonna get us this time but good*
Whether we pull it out or push it in it all ends up the same
You know a hammerhead is a hammerhead by any other name



Onwards hammerhead bright and dangerous
Jumping running in the field and factory
God save hammerheads keeping going
We are sleek and special and we're sure of something

Blessed are the airmen
Blessed are the shit kickers
Blessed are the jackhammers
Blessed is the big damage
Blessed are the faith healers
Blessed are the moon wlakers
Blessed are the snake people
Blessed are the heat seakers


-Shriekback.

"You've got a bunch of lying false prophets that are running these churches being paid to tell people that God loves them," Roper said.

and??? and???

:argh:

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Anti-Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=184
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=185
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=142


Fred Phelps/Westboro Baptist Church picket Matthew Shepard's funeral in Wyoming

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edited to add: "Southern Poverty Law Center reports: A City Held Hostage - Homosexual-hater Fred Phelps' lawsuits and heavy-handed tactics have 'bullied into submission' an entire Kansas city"
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=231&printable=1

if you ever wanted proof the Religious Right has lost touch with Christ's actual teachings...there it is.

Thank god for 9-11 because it got bush reelected, so he can keep fighting the gays? Is that the message...I'm a little confused here.

I don't get it.

Maybe we shoud go straight to the source...

GOD! Hallllooooo? Excuse me, God. You've dropped some of your people on their head. They're delusional. God! God? Are you there? God, did you smote the people in the WTC because of the gayness around the world? God? Hallllooooo!


Hmmmmph! Guess he only speaks to Bush, bin Laden and these crazy fucks.

Rapture nut jobs.

I'm afraid it's my fault He's not answering you on this whole Gay vs 911 thing.

See I asked Him if He really is a Republican, and every time I try to pray to Him He just starts laughing again.

to junior very often.

Wasn't that a sign to Bush that his days were numbered?

Or maybe * confuses the voices in his head sometimes.

Is he a dog, or a cat person?
Chocolate, or vanilla?
Does he watch the Super Bowl AND the Oscars?
And, when he blesses America, what does he do to everybody else?

Dogs and cats are both good for different reasons, that's why he made both of them.

Depends on His mood about the chocolate or vanilla thing. Eternity is such a long, long time to commit fully to one flavor or another, so many more important things to deal with and he just prefers variety.

Doesn't do much TV, He already knows who is going to win, so what fun is there for Him really? And can you imagine the flak He'd get if He was watching TV and something major happened? He says it isn't worth it.

God loves the whole world and blesses those who ask for it. American's just had the guts to ask and ask and ask.... you know that parable about the woman and the judge?

He prefers older women.

I can't believe I just blew my 1000th post on this.

I'm convinced that if I really could understand even for a fraction of a second how these people think, I would start screaming, and screaming, and start clawing at my flesh and my hair would turn white, and the closest I would ever again come to communicating with other humans would be a wild-eyed stare, accompanied by cackling and drooling.

These people are not normal. They have something wrong with them, and the only way they are able to express themselves is through hate filled screeches that make no sense. Stay confused, Goldeneye, it's better that way.

and start walking about with signs indicating that Kansas is full of hateful, simple-minded, disruptive, deranged, far-right, fundamentalist fuckwads. How would that go down in Bleeding Kansas? Fuck them.
They're signing on to the Neo-Con movement in the same way the Free-Soil Kansans took up the abolitionist movement before the civil war. Except they have it exactly backwards. They have what they feel is a divine mission but they're supporting the people who couldn't care less about their welfare.
Read Thomas Franks' "What's the matter with Kansas" and be enlightened.

and they - in NO WAY - represent the majority of Kansans.

Go ahead and come visit. But let some of us sane folks here in Kansas show you the good in the state.

Thank you kindly. If I'm ever in the area, I'll check the bumper stickers on the cars parked outside and maybe we'll meet.

Me, too. Funny that we had that long conversation about education and school districts and didn't even realize we were neighbors. (You might have realized it--I do have a sunflower on my posts.)

You will find that we just shot them down in their bid to overturn the protection that the city council gave to the GLBT citizens in Topeka. You will find that the Grandaughter of Phelps just came in 4th out of 4 in her race for the city council. You will see that Fred himself has run for governor several times and has failed. You will see that a good many of his children have run for office and failed. You will see that we had the son of a bitch disbarred. You will see counter protesters out across from these sick creeps. So, are we still hateful, simple-minded, deranged, far-right, fundamentalist fuckwads? Hmmmmm? Come on down sweetie, you might just learn something. It is always a good thing to know what you are talking about when you set out to call an entire group of people names like that. You almost sound like the people you seem to dislike so.

Of course, any sane individual from anywhere won't shoot to Topeka and march about with signs deriding Kansans as deranged..etc. I offer that only as contrast to what went on in Ohio. I have not set out to label an entire group as Phelps supporters.
I'm concerned with what exactly motivates these people to travel to Ohio to rail against an issue there that's none of their business. It seems they do this because they feel they've some sort of divine mission to cleanse or whatever. Liberals, homosexuals, eastern elitist intellectuals, all united against a god-fearing America. Activist judges overturning the will of the people through the courts. All this shite is standard right-wing boilerplate.
If you haven't read "What's the Matter with Kansas?", please do. It's an excellent thesis on how the right wing has managed to pull off their assault on our country. Thomas Frank grew up in Johnson County, Kansas. He's not some "eastern elite" pontificating to The Heartland. The wingnut pundits like to say that the title, and of course the content of the book, denigrates Kansans. That's crap. The book does nothing of the sort.
And excellent job in keeping the nut cases out of office. No offense, but maybe you could see to it that Brownback, Tiahrt etal. are out looking for real jobs as well.

I am sorry to react so, I am not normally so reactive (except about this) but we hear this so much here. We happen to house those creeps but we are painted so often nationally as agreeing with them. We have been held hostage by them for so long that when people come here and see that we walk past without batting an eye they assume we agree. There is nothing we can do. Also I was a large part of that battle and it was a battle for every single No vote that we got. The lies of the other side were the very lies that the RW aways use and since the only side who got any press here at all was the other side I think we did well to win it. My guess is the closeness of the vote was because we were not able to reach everyone.

No offense taken about Brownback etc. They are very hard to beat and I have not figured out why yet. Mostly I think it is because the state has not fallen apart yet and people are lazy about educating themselves about the candidates.

Thomas Frank is great, no problem with his book.

This is the way Fred operates. In his early years he was tossed out of Utah for setting up tents and preaching against Mormons. He feels it is his duty to bring his word to all. I think he just thrives on attention and his sick mind really does believe that God is talking to him.

To add. I get a feeling, just a small one but it is there none the less, that things are beginning to turn here in Kansas. Just my NE part of the state, I do not know about the rest. There is a vague unease about the way the government is working.(about damn time) More questions are being asked and we Democrats have been working very hard. I think there may be a small but growing tide here that may change the redness of this state very quickly as this government continues on its assault on the common man. It probably will not happen quickly, it all depends on what the Republicans really do. Just a guess but something was mentioned in the paper today speaking of this as well. It has also helped to have so many visits by the big name Democrats in the last year. If that continues we may actually have a chance.

imagine if all the fundies were nauseatingly fake-humble like Billy Graham?

No we need these wingnuts getting press, front and center, for moderate religious people to differentiate from.

If they are crucifying Ward Churchill, then that
"thank God for 9/11" sign should be our response, every time.

Let them shout and put up their disgusting, hate-filled signs. I would rather see their true colors than try to have to read between the lines of what people like Falwell and Robertson say.

The First Amendment can be a bitch, but it's our best friend.

in those terms (politically) because Fred has run as a Democrat when he has run for office. He is just our local nut job. Still, I use them all the time as a case for separation of church and state.

His purpose, no doubt, is to further the false notion that Democrats are all crazy as shit house rats, just like them.
If there was a god, he'd have eliminated assholes like this a long time ago.

but at some point he switched to Republican so I am not certain what he is now. He seems to hold all parties and all people in contempt.

he was a vocal advocate for civil rights. Back then, it was because he thought segregation and denying civil rights to African Americans was evil, against God's law. Now he feels his divine mission is to stomp gays and lesbians (and any who might support their fight for equal rights).

The problem is that he really does think he has God's ear and that God has his, and he really does think he cantell what is evil and deserves puinishment and what doesn't. He happened to be right on civil rights. But he mistakes his own prejudice agains gays as God's law.

What is worse is that his idea about how they should be treated is not just what some call "hate the sin, love the sinner." He and his group (most of them are actually his relatives) cheer such things as the beating death of Matthew Shephard. Phelps' son actually put up a website gleefully marking the number of days Matthew had been "burning in hell" since his murder.

He isn't just psycho. He has trained all of his kids to be equally vicious and irrational. And when he was disbarred, he raised them all up to be lawyers.

There is real sickness there. Can you imagine how twisted his mind must be?

Your efforts are appreciated here in Pa.

Our major effort here looks to be voting out Santorum in '06. There's a good chance he can be beaten. But then again, there's all that Republican money for 527s, a la Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth".

replaying the "hey, hey, ho, ho Social Security has gotta go" chant over and over.

Santorum has to go. Our problem is that we can't get any media who are not afraid to go against Phelps. Money/Media It is difficult when the odds are stacked against you but then the truth and goodness are beginning to look good to people as they sink further into a mess.

It didn't start out that way but it turned out that way. I've mentioned this before but folks on all sides of the GLBT issue joined together to stand against these sick people. He did more good here than he could have known, and I'm sure it wasn't the result he was expecting. He has a tendency to unify the public at large against him wherever he goes.

Folks wherever he goes oughta send him thank you cards! LOL That would piss him off royal! :P }(

This is in Cleveland, GEORGIA!!!!!

Phew, Don't think they'd find a warm spot in the hearts of the BLUE corner of OHIO.

Having had a few beers and being quite pissed off, I didn't take the time to read the article before posting.

My first clue was the name of the college, it's not one of our local institutions.

My late aunt lived in Topeka for many, many years, and I used to go visit her there now and again. Nice town, nice people. I like the murals in your capitol building, especially the ones with John Brown. Awhile back, Phelps' groupies were picketing in our state capital, outside our Supreme Court building. I walked around observing and stopping other onlookers to tell them that as a fundamentalist Christian, I apologized for the picketers and their ugly, ugly signs. Shame on all of them! And congrats to Kansans for the way you're taking them on!

Tired Old Cynic

I am very proud that we were able to do this. It should not have been hard. Without money, media and time we were up against the wall. We will be ready the next time this comes up and Fred has promised it will every election until he wins.

You know, turnabout is fair play. Karma's a bitch. See if they can take it as well as they dish it out.

truly. He thrives on attention. If not for the fact that they do stand out in the rain, sleet and snow I would say that he doesn't even believe it himself but is just an ego maniac looking for attention. I would be more than happy to do a LARGE picket of his church but I don't think it would bother them at all, they would love it. We do have counter picketers out all the time but you never hear or see them in the news. It is just too good for the nation to see all the hate in one small city that they can vilify. We are sick of it.

what church? it's a bunch of houses fenced together.

think on this: westboro baptist church is only the phelps family. noone else. a bunch of sick hateful fucks who think they're god's chosen ones (calvinist crap).

and i'd be a little leery about picketing their church...i'd be worried about getting shot. they sound just crazy enough to do it.

Phelps

I feel ya but, unfortunately, if you tried that you'd probably go down Bleeding in Kansas and they'd rule it heart failure.

Forgive my cynicism, I was just watching Fahrenheit 911 again.

I feel ya but, unfortunately, if you tried that you'd probably go down Bleeding in Kansas and they'd rule it heart failure.

Forgive my cynicism, I was just watching Fahrenheit 911 again.

:7

about 9/11 being vengeance from an angry god at our descent into Soddom and Gomorrah. It's a warped friggin' theory but if the shoe fits...

after all, they apparently view the 9/11 attacks as a just act of God to punish the sinful. No doubt they believe they are uniquely fitted to judge whom God thinks is sinful and are eager to help Him do His job. I can sure see them bombing houses of people the suspect of being gay or of people they see as not hating gays enough or of churches...

Horrible, just horrible. And their violent insanity is dangerous.

All I've heard via radio and other media for four years is: 'Liberals hate america. We were attacked on 9/11 and have to retaliate. "We" should be more supportive and compassionate towards the 1000s who died on 9/11'

The response from our side (by moderate views) is that we DO LOVE AMERICA but we don't love George the Vulgar and his imperialistic enterprises/agenda. We want our country back.

Geez, they hate us for hating the Iraq invasion/occupation calling us unpatriotic for not realizing we were ATTACKED,ATTACKED,ATTACKED. Now it's okay for asshats like in the article to go out and PRAISE THAT ATTACK. Why aren't they being jacked up for "unpatriotic" hate speech?

Indeed, why do THEY HATE AMERICA???

I'm sorry, the more I see of freaks like this, the angrier I get. If I had been anywhere near that sign (going to jail here lol), I would have crammed it up her ass!! :grr:

LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
It may even be MIHOP = Made It Happen On Purpose
The conspiracy to allow the 9/11 attacks to happen for political gain and then cover it up continues to be the scandal that would finally bring down the Cartel if exposed. These insane protesters in their gratitude for the attack were just mirroring the blivet** and his neocon pals -- "Hey! I hit the Trifecta!"

*shudder*

believe that the AIDS/HIV virus is attacking all the right people. Compassion and logic have no place in their world of passing judgment based on hate and stupidity - cloaked in the name of the Lord. How are these bigots any different than Al Qida, or Hezbolah, or Tim McVey?? They are on the same slippery slope.

It's a depressing thread to be welcomed on, but it's good to see you anyway. We need to know the bad stuff, but there's lots of good stuff here too, as I'm sure you're discovering for yourself.

Welcome!
:toast:

because somewhere in his past he no doubt has said SOMETHING that wasn't virulently anti-gay. These people are against everybody, even Falwell. Truly unbelievable. I've long since given up trying to make any sense of them. Did they also have the sign that said something like "Fag US Troops"? When they demonstrated in Wichita in protest of Falwell (yeah, you read that right), we counter-protested, and when one of our group stood next to them with a rainbow flag, they got nervous and left--didn't want to stand next to a gay symbol. Now we know how to run our counter-protests.

Have a listen to some of the propaganda on his site.

He calls the US Armed Forces "Rumsfeld's Rump Rangers", and calls Bush a "fag enabler" for employing gays in the White House. I hate this guy too but it's a little rich to try to associate him with Bush.

Calls him a Fag President. Even though Bush has done more to revoke the civil rights of the gay community than any other president in history, Phelps calls him a fag.

As homophobic as Bush publicly is, it's hard to imagine that, but since the Guckert shit came out I'm starting to wonder if, for once, maybe Fred is onto something.

Hmm...thinking about it, maybe Fred really IS onto something. Bush loves the stratified America--the have-nots, have-lesses, haves and have-mores. If Bush was gay, the have-not and have-less gays (you know, the ones who aren't card-carrying RNC members) get shit on, while the have and have-more gays get to carry on their antics in peace and without fear of prosecution or retribution.

and Americans. Talk about "hating our freedom!" They support the 9/11 attacks, which seems to me like they should be arrested and interrogated.

handy. Any time those right wing nut bags say WE'RE unAmerican...we'll just flash this bad boy.

and they'll never believe the "liberal media".

"god hates america"

bwa ha ha ha, i'm saving THIS one :evilgrin:

Shouldn't they have put a picture of Jeff Gannon on the Fag/Pimp sign?

Letting the flag drag the ground like that.

I'd go up to the kid and start yelling at him for it. Tell him I'm an Eagle Scout or a war veteran or something. It doesn't have to be true. Let him get the full effect of what they're doing.

I thought that was a guy, at first...with a bad case of manboobs, but a guy. Then I saw the "Shirley" and thought, well, like Maury Povitch's dad, who was named Shirley...back in the day there were more than a few Leslies, Marions and Shirleys who weren't female...it was the fashion. Then, when I saw the SHE, it made me wonder if perhaps she wasn't protesting too much. Another self-loather, perhaps? They're worse than ex-smokers!!!!!

Nothing you can do will stiop God from loving you.

I suggest reading the Bible.

Not being particularly religious in any conventional way myself, I can appreciate a "God loves everyone" message much more easily than I can digest this "God is going to punish you" line of thinking.

He told me that Leviticus was written to be the law of Isreal when the nation was founded, and we keep it as a historical account, not as a commandment.

Of course, they love quoting it but miss the passages about allowing slavery, not eating shellfish, killing people who handle pigskins, etc.

It's not that they advocate killing people who touch the skin of a dead pig; it only makes one 'unclean'. However, there are a few other gems that are equally damning (pun intended!), such as the ones about women being forbidden from the temple during the period after giving birth (33 days of uncleanliness for a male child, I believe, and 66 days for a female child, IIRC), men being forbidden to be in the presence of their wives during their period of monthly uncleanliness, and so on.

Leviticus deals an awful lot with being and remaining 'clean'. It also gives instructions on how to cleanse, as well as information on proper sacrifices and such. But, there are some prohibitions in it which do make some sense, given the context of society at the time:

-Shellfish in a warm climate. That's kind of a no-brainer; that stuff spoils very fast without proper refigeration, which wasn't exactly available at the time.

-Dead pig flesh. Can't that carry worms and parasites if the pig is infected with them? I somehow doubt they would have had methods to get rid of those things at the time.

So, Leviticus had rules that made sense at the time. It's amazing to me, though, that people somehow still believe Leviticus has any sort of relevance to society today. Many of the things that Leviticus might prohibit for health reasons are nonissues today due to refrigeration and medical advances to which the society at the time simply had no possible access.

God is Love. Where the hell does it say God is hate?

I really have contempt for these people.

All right, I said it. I'm sure Howard Dean will bring out the best in Kansans so they can denounce these horrible people at the polls, where it counts.

Dean, we did it all by ourselves. Kansans have never liked this group, nothing is the matter with Kansans, we just happen to house these creeps.

are embarrassed at not only the ugly Phelps clan but the other people in Topeka that voted along with the 'Fred Phelps' mentality. That Topeka vote was too close for comfort. Kansas seems to think they now have to pass laws supporting anything Bush says. Like the gov. of Kansas tried to make meds cheaper for Kansans and suddenly the old Bush-speak was alive in Topeka on the house floor trying to ban this (like Big PHARMA, the FDA, and the WH aren't in bed together)--too unsafe. Then in April, the whole state will vote on the gay marriage issue.

Personally I think at the national level, people need to keep putting pressure on Kansans, I don't think most Kansans like to be put on the same level as Mr. Snake Phelps---let them be answer why they side with him, embarrass the hell out of 'em. There are A LOT of blues in Kansas that wouldn't mind a bit. Just keep pushing at Phelps and he will make an a$$ out of himself willingly.

I would not lay this one on God (gods), deity, fate etc..

.....and then go on vacay for a month.

This is the evil that * and his war have unleashed on our country.

:kick:

It is on of the most horrible things I have ever seen.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

I emailed them and said that I am a straight heterosexual male who loves the ladies, maybe a little too much in my life, and found their hatred disgusting, as I believe we are all God's children. They have a warning that they will alert my ISP for "harassing" emails. I told them that if they even thought about coming after me, there would be big big problems. They are truly sick people. To me, if the repubs don't denounce this group immediately, then that is an endorsement of these freaks. I certainly hope the public wakes up and realizes that these people are not even close to being correct. Thank God for 9-11?Bunch of Un-American assholes.

I was going to ask if she was related to the Rev. Fred Phelps - guess I know the answer now. :puke:

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Is this hate speech legal in the US???

The 1'st Amendment covers me, you, these freaks, Nazi marchers, everyone. We need for it to stay that way, even if we don't agree with everyone who uses it toward their own ends.

For instance, it is illegal to spread rumors that a bank is going to go under and it is illegal to wish death upon a public official.

Locusts? Frogs?

after I saw their site for the first time. My email was not hateful; I simply asked them why they had so much hate in their hearts. Well, I got a doozy of a response - the most vile rhetoric ever. I was shocked (at the time) that they couldn't even answer simple questions without going off on a rant. These people are clearly insane.

2003. How does your state stand?

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

Who would have told?

this out?

Putting a swastika on a campaign sign is an act of hate.... guess I'd better stop then. :-) j/k

LOTS of stuff in california.... YIKES.... time to pack for south dakota....

On edit:

Hey, vermont's free of hate groups too!!!!!!

In the last 2 years there have been 6 hate incidents, 3 involving distributions of hate literature, and 3 acts of vandalism.

Considering that the synagogue down the street from my house in sacramento was burned down, and a cross burned 5 miles away from my house in redding, vermont is sounding very friendly. :(

Georgia (no surprise there) followed closely by.........TEXAS! george bush country all the way. Yep, those good 'murkins love their bush!

but don't those two kind of cancel each other out? :)

they should set up a tug of war, or something :D

please don't equate the Nation of Islam with the Klan. There is a huge difference.

I made note of them because they were one of the groups cited on the website, and thought it was an interesting dichotomy..

I personally don't equate the two, since I find the foundation and development of NOI fascinating and largely justifiable.

But many do interpret some aspects of the current ideology as being racist, particularly Farrakhan's persistent description of Jews as 'blood-sucking leeches'.

I used to give money to SPL until Dee's added the NOI to their shit list.
I could go on at length about the unfair characterization of this group, but think it would be better if I suggest you find out a little more about the NOI. And that would include Minister Farrakhan's statement and it's correct context.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/

As I said, I don't seriously regard NOI as a "hate group"; I just found it interesting that those two diametrically opposed groups in particular were represented in my town. I disagree with some of the more radical ideas they've espoused, especially regarding segregation and interracial unions, but overall I'm glad of their existence and their contributions to American society.

I would certainly not ban Rev. Farrakhan from expressing himself as Great Britain has for the past twenty years. Not only he and other leaders, but even the worst of humankind, like the Westboro Baptist Church, should at least be allowed to present themselves for public appraisal. In the case of some clever people in Ann Arbor, it proved to be a great fundraising tool. http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=130


"Fred, remember: You’re not in Kansas anymore."
-Michigan State Rep. Mark Pocan (D)

nice mean, but the variance sucks!

Sorry for the nerdy math joke.

there are two nazi groups and one skinhead group within 10 minutes of my hometown :scared:

site.

I hadn't heard of the Charles Martel Society, which has a chapter in the Baltimore-Washington area. Here's an interesting article I found when I googled them:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=252

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=479

"Promoting white nationalism is nothing new for Regnery — or his family. His grandfather, William I, signed incorporation papers for the America First Committee, an organization that opposed fighting Nazi Germany in World War II. His father, Henry, created Regnery Publishing, one of the major purveyors of books by right-wing attack dogs like Anne Coulter and G. Gordon Liddy."

And Bush's grandfather made money off the Nazis.

CA >>>>> MN

Man...gotta love Floriduh

:(

you know, the "moral values" folks that elected (maybe) george bush. There sure is a whole lotta' hate goin' on in those good, conservative, christian states. :wow: We can't fight that stuff, they're lost causes. That just amazes me.
I can't get over the fact that there are a few around MY area, upstate NY. I've never heard of anything like that around here. They must be small, very underground groups. They surely never show their faces around here. :crazy:

people as we see in hate groups, go to this site too. I saw it on CNN this morning so I pulled it up Lot of Republicans I bet!

http://www.redneckandsingle.com/

bizarro.

"You can't live your life anyway you want to and expect to go to Heaven."


EARTH TO MORAN: It's none of your FUCKING business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

City Council candidate Jael Phelps

Another Phelps! That whole family should be shipped to the South Pole!

I was looking through there photo album. I knew they were messed up...but jesus...

and then there is this gem...

Yeah...I just don't really know what to say about this one.

Looks like they have the inside scoop on Gannon there!

Who knew Bush was his pimp?????

/sarcasm

Needs to hot up his photoshop and make a "Chimpy as Pimp" photo treatment.

Mack Chimpy. :D

Bush dressed like Snoop Dog?

This is sick and twisted. I wonder if they would have the guts to stand before a group of people who lost loved ones on that day. I bet they would; compassion and empathy don't seem like anything they have in store.

THIS IS NOT anything to do with the teachings of Christ. These are the very people he preached about - and why it was so necessary not to be like this.

I'm sure they'd be preaching hate against Christ himself were they to meet him in person and not know it was him...

understand and therefore do not trust will try to take something from them. It's fear and insecurity pure and simple backed by the encouragement of a faith based organization justifying it with scripture.

also demonstrate outside the funerals of gays killed in hate crimes.

They've been around for years, and their awfulness knows no bounds.

when his son announced he was gay.

that is true. What son? All but two are still with his group and the two who got out of it are in California and both married with children. I have also heard that but I question if it is true or not, especially since Phelps has always been crazy, ALWAYS.

written by a Topeka reporter who was writing a book about Phelps. He had even interviewed the son, who has been estranged from his dad for around 20 years now.

are talking about. Sorry, I don't know. The scuttlebutt from the campaign was that it was not true but who knows? :shrug: Not trying to be a jerk here, I really have no idea.

I appreciate your input. You are in a position to be lots more wel-informed than I am. I had not heard that story was not credible. Interesting . . . .

started because one of his California sons who is married with children is a Florist. Can you beat that? Florist/Gay, sure folks it is obvious. :eyes:

He is a computer programmer. And he grew up in KS!! *Twilight Zone music*

said 'Daddy Dearest' beat the hell out of them growing up. Course Phelps denied it. A lot of brainwashing went into his kids and he beat it in them. Now, his grandkids. Jael who ran for council woman this past week (and got few votes) seems to have learn her 'lessons' well.

Phelps needs to burn in hell. He is the stench of Kansas.

It is a sad, sad story. Fred is very ill and should be taken off the streets.

news about his kids breaking away came out. I also remember 15 years ago, I was in Topeka with my then small sons. And Phelps and Co. were picketing wrestling (gay scandal in wrestling at that time) and I lied to my kids when they asked what those people were doing and what the signs said. Thank goodness, they were too young to read. Phelps has being doing this evil for too, too long.

One would think he would have died of skin cancer from all that pink skin being exposed outside too long picketing innocent people.

I told my sons that they were people playing leap frog. It was a slow process of teaching them about hatred and discrimination but they are now young adults, compassionate and understanding of all people and all ways of life.

He must use sunscreen under that hat. I have a friend who thinks he might die of prostate cancer since he most likely is averse to exams.

my son's best friend has same sex parents who adopted him and his bro from foster care; the man/woman marriage parents of these boys is a disgusting story. These boys are some of the most compassionate, old soul, head on straight boys (16 and 17) that I have seen. They have love, attention, and get to be normal teens with these women. I think God, their 'moms' found them.

BTW, Phelps doesn't realize his tactics backfire when parents like us will go further out of our way to teach that hate like this is wrong. ;)

This is all this equates to.

I've been waiting for this. The fact that bush knew about/allowed/made 9/11 happen is going to come out at some point. The only option they have left is to now start making the case that it was a good thing that george made it happen. Bet on it.

I have already seen glimmers of the defense. The whole "well FDR let Pearl happen" has been repeated by several RWers that I have discussed this possibility with.

The Right demands that we repudiate and or condemn Ward Churchill, as if he's our responsibility. If that's the case, then the Right has the responsibility of reining in the "God hates fags" crowd.

MSM to go nuts? Where are all of the RW pundits demanding action be taken to suppress this?

Unfortunate that you would draw the comparison.

With Ward Churchill being in my neck of the woods last week, I saw dozens of media images of the candlelight vigils, pray-ins, and (R) lawmakers bellowing to cancel the guy's speech.

But when Phelps and company decide to say that 9/11 was great, nary a word.

Hypocrisy? Of course! But you can't alienate the base. It was by appealing to the evangelicals that loads of Republicans got elected, and it will be by keeping their mouths shut that they keep that support.

12 of the 30 firemen at my local firehouse

3 high school classmates

4 business acquaintances

and everyone who lives or works in Lower Manhattan

I have one thing to day to these eight idiots:

OFF TO THE DEATH CAMPS FOR YOU!

gets police protection, while Bush protesters get busted?

Whats up with that? Does this warrant an investigation?

I don't care if they protest, but if I protest I want a nice, public spot to do it in, with police protection.

B.

Damn it all.

Falwell said "God lifted his veil of protection" from NYC because New Yorkers are gays, feminazis, pagans, and I forget what else. In summary, we deserved it.

Same attitude.

...he should know better than to piss off the invisible man in the sky. He should take the advice of Saint Ari of the Bushistas in his Message to the Scribes: "Watch what you say, Jerry, watch what you do!"

the wheels of justice do indeed grind very slowly.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/11053849.htm

And they only let him out if he PROMISED NOT TO PREACH!!!! (Clever doctors!): LYNCHBURG, Va. - The Rev. Jerry Falwell left a Lynchburg hospital Friday morning after a stay of almost two weeks while he battled pneumonia.

"I'm a little hoarse, but I'm alive and well and glad to hear from you," Falwell said from his Lynchburg home, where his family gathered Friday.

The 71-year-old pastor and chancellor of Liberty University entered the hospital Feb. 20 with what was initially thought to be congestion due to a viral infection. Doctors later diagnosed him with pneumonia.

Falwell, who praised the staff at Lynchburg General Hospital, said he struck a deal with the doctors. They allowed him to go home Friday as long as he agreed not to preach for several weeks.

I was saying if your interpretation of cause and effect was correct, it took a long time to catch up with him. (Patience is a virtue.)

But thanks for posting the above, because I really enjoyed this part:

...as long as he agreed not to preach for several weeks...

Thank god for 911?

She's glad 3000 people died.

SICK SICK WOMAN.

http://www.autbar.com/fred_phelps_press_release.htm

ANN ARBOR, MI - When the Reverend Fred Phelps came to town, the gay community here decided not to get mad.  They decided to get rich.

Among the Ann Arbor locales the Kansas-based Phelps and his band elected to picket was the /aut/ BAR, a gay-owned restaurant, bar and community gathering place.  When co-owner Keith Orr heard that his establishment was being targeted, he wanted to respond constructively.  He and his partner, Martin Contreras, did not want to promote a counter-demonstration, feeling that Phelps gains the most attention – and hence is most effective – when he provokes anger and outrage from his opponents.  Rather, Orr decided to use his Phelps visit to the community’s advantage.

Phelps’s plans to picket the bar came to light only two days prior to his scheduled February 17, 2001 demonstration.  With little time, Orr used the Internet to organize a unique fundraising scheme.  In an email message to customers, supporters, and friends, he proposed that people pledge money to the Washtenaw Rainbow Action Project (WRAP), a local gay advocacy group and community center, for every minute that Phelps picketed the bar.  In this way, Orr explained, the longer Phelps stayed to spew hate, the more money he would raise for WRAP.  He and Contreras kicked off the drive by pledging $1 per minute. 

Contreras explained why he felt it was important to organize a response to Phelps.  “When I was first coming out fifteen years ago people told me, ‘You’ve got to watch out for this so-called reverend from Kansas named Phelps.  He’s out to wage war against the gay community.’  He had been showing up at funerals of people who had died of AIDS with signs claiming that gay people would burn in hell.  At the time he was just a blip on the radar screen.  But when he protested at Matthew Shepherd’s funeral he became a national menace.”

At the same time, Orr continued, “I didn’t want to give Phelps what he wanted,” meaning a counter-demonstration. “But just ignoring him seemed wrong.”

Only two minutes after Orr sent out his email message pledges began to pour in, not only from Ann Arbor, but from as far away as New Hampshire, Texas and California.  The pledge drive gained such momentum that by the day of Phelps’s demonstration – only 48 hours after Orr and Contreras kicked off the drive – friends and supporters of Ann Arbor’s gay community had promised to contribute a total of $107 for every minute Phelps picketed the /aut/ BAR.

“When I began the pledge drive I wasn’t necessarily expecting anything big,” Orr said.  “I just wanted to give people an opportunity to turn Phelps’s message of hate into something positive for our community.”  Even so, the size and speed of the response surprised him.  “Normally a fundraising event of this magnitude takes months of planning and a lot of up-front costs.  In 48 hours we raised over $6000 without spending a dime.  I was astonished.” 

Pledges arrived in diverse amounts and from a wide range of sources.  They varied in amount from as little as 10 cents per minute to as much as 5 dollars per minute.  “The great thing about this kind of fundraiser is that no one is excluded.  People can participate at any economic level,” said Orr.  The range of contributors included neighboring business owners, a high school Gay/Straight Alliance and individual members of the Ann Arbor police force.

On February 17, the day of the protest, Phelps’s band numbered only four adults and two small children.  Instead of confronting the hate-mongerers and giving them the attention they craved, over one hundred community members and supporters gathered in the bar on a Saturday afternoon, celebrating while they counted the minutes that Phelps’s cronies stood outside raising money for Ann Arbor’s gay community.

That afternoon WRAP Board member Linda Lombardini received one notable pledge. “A father and his young son were driving past the bar and saw the protestors out front,” she explained.  “The son asked his father who they were and what they were doing there.  The father stopped the car and brought his son into the restaurant to demonstrate to him that gay people are no different from anyone else.  When he realized that we were holding a fundraiser he handed his son a ten-dollar bill to give to me.”

 “We view this as a form of economic containment,” Orr said.  “Phelps is free to spread his message, however perverse we find it, wherever he wants.  The First Amendment protects his right to do that.  But we turned what could have been a negative into a positive.  This has been an incredible community-building experience for us.

“We hope that cities and towns across the country will do this everywhere he goes.  I get a charge thinking that every time he hits the road he will help us build our communities and fund our organizations.”

That is such a great story. . . you just made my night!

It was a good find, wasn't it?

I hope similar fundraisers take place at every spot that crazed demonic weasel from Hades spews his filth. Honestly, I don't understand why those people are so terrified of Gays. What's the threat??

that's a great story... I especially liked the father who stopped.

This is like Project Lemonade, which collects pledges for counter-protests against hate grps.

http://www.tolerance.org/10_ways/unite/05.html

How awesome that the Holocaust memorial in Idaho will say that the Aryan Nation made it possible!!

Thanks for sharing that story with us. That is a great way to deal with these nut-cases!!

I work closely with a gay man and I would leave my children with him anyday of the week without question. He's responsible, professional and an all-around nice guy. The fact that he is gay means nothing other than the fact that we work so well together I get to raz him for being gay and he razzes me for being a breeder. ;)

Those Phelps freaks aren't mainstream just as most Texans haven't drunk as much kool-aid as * and his bootlickers.

send a thank you letter to phelps for his role in raising the money. He'll probably have a stroke.

Fag sin = 9-11?

OMFG!

:puke:

I'd like to push all of them in the ground zero hole in the ground.

some truly fucked-up assholes! How can you be that filled with hate? They are absolute pigs.

imagine my horror when it turned out to be real.

If anyone wanted evidence against evolution, this family would be it.

the smaller the gene pool...

There must be about 10-20 people in this entire group of wingnuts.

The 4 adults would've been stomped on otherwise.

to happen.

that picketed Matthew Shepherd's funeral with those hateful signs saying things I won't even repeat, but they were similar disgusting slogans. If they are so Christian, their message should make people want to be good and do good. All they make me want to do is :puke:. I can't stand living in a world with people like them in it. It's disgusting. And I can't stand the thought of spending eternity with people like them either.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed that when right wingers disagree with someone or something, they bomb the hell out of them, but when liberals and moderates disagree, we just discuss it like civilized people. I wouldn't put anything past the Phelps bunch. I'm sure they have their hands in some bombing or anthraxing plot as we speak.

loudly, vociferously, and adamatly CONDEMNED these vile asswipes?

Not. One. Peep.

Ever.

They are tacitly approved by the repukes and bushco and are their frontrunners in their "brownshirt" strategy.

I have yet to see anything to disprove this.

Bush wouldn't want to alienate his base, you know? :eyes:

Gee, George, when you said "There ought to be limits to freedom", these people I must admit make it almost difficult to disagree.

They are truly the most vile creatures I have ever seen, and yes, I have encountered them up close. Simply the scariest people you would ever want to come across. They are blinded by hate that I cannot even comprehend or understand. They HAVE no ability to reason. Their eyes are DEAD. I swear some of them function by hate alone. They would cease to function if they did not have it.

When I encountered them at Pride a couple of years ago, it took everything I had not to get into it with them.


Anyway, let them wallow in their hate. Let them carry their stupid signs and make asses out of themselves.

But I still maintain my personal promise to them this day. Make a harmful move towards me, and attempt to manifest their hate in a physical manner, and it is guranteed that no matter what God they believe in, he WILL NOT save them from the consequences of such an action.

I know this reaction will draw fire, but this is beginning to get out of hand.

I would never question the right of another human being to exist, but it is getting harder and harder to deny the strong argument these people seem to make against such discrimination.

How do you solve a problem like these people.

They do not understand reason, and they have no wish to.

They remind me of the Aliens in Independence Day, and as stupid and horribly foolish as that film was, that one scene carries vast relevence with me sometimes.

"What do you want us to do?"

"DIE....."

Sorry, Phelps, you first.

Who giggle with glee,under their somber tones, that 9-11 happened.
These losers are just out in the open about it. We should prove that the RW wanted 9-11 to happen, if not caused it. This stuff is evidence that conservatives would gladly kill americans to stick in their ditto pigboy dictatorship. Theres so much stuff out there for a GOOD moveon.org ad, that should be used. 9-11 was a wet dream for RW politics,we need to expose their inhumanity nationally.

You would think they did it themselves at how much it has pushed their agenda ahead. Hmmm........

since you brought it up - oh, well - don't want to be accused of being a tinfoil hatter or a conspiracy nut.

They embrace Christian Identity, though you won't see it mentioned on their Web site.

how else can you stop it?

http://www.nonfamous.com/blog/archives/000272.html

'Three of Phelps' eight (!) kids holding signs reading: "God hates America," "God hates fag enablers," and astoundingly, "God blew up the shuttle."'

It's okie-dokie fer the wingnuts ta say 9/11 wuz a good thang?

tain't wut they meant, hat all. They's a sayin' thank Jaysus all them funny boys was done killed, cuz now there's less of them libral commie folks around, what wanna take our guns an make our wimmin' git them a-bortions, an thank it'as a bad thang that them A-rabs in aboo greeb done gut thar hair mussed a little.

They think America is a Gay-centered society and we deserve it like Soddom and Gomorrah. They also often drag the flag along the ground and carry signs that says God Hates Fags and the USA.

...what disasters God has created and the reason behind them? I mean, not only do they claim to know that God caused the WTC's to be targeted, the Tsunami, and the shuttle to blow up, but they claim to know the REASON that God did these things.

It's funny and scary how these people can rationalize in their own minds that they must have some divine power that allows them to see the tragedies of the world and pick and choose which ones are god's messages and what he's trying to say. It must be wonderful to be so blessed as to get a glimpse of God's playbook.

I dunno...seems to me God would have better aim, don'tcha think? If God wanted to send a message about gays, would he really send a couple planes into a couple tall buildings and kill a bunch of non-gays in the process? Would he really need to send a wall of water thousands of miles wide to kill a hundred thousand people, just to warn us about a small minority of the population who are homosexuals? Seems to me if God really wanted to send us a message, he'd toss a big god sized boulder at a Gay nightclub or something.

Personally, I'd like to see God send a big boulder right at the Westboro Baptist Church and REALLY send a message to these hate mongers.

those who think they can manipulate God into bringing on the Rapture with all that death and destruction in the Middle East. As Mike Malloy says, once the bodies start piling up in the Middle East, Jesus will come back.

FOOLS! Why would God be the pawn of these rapture wingnuts? That's like blasphemy right there.

but if all these "good Christians" who think humans can manipulate God, would blow the dust off their Bibles and do some reading (assuming they know how to read) they might be surprised. I can't quote chapter and verse, but I do know that Jesus made a comment to the effect that "people who look for the coming of the Kingdom of God, may say, 'here it is', or 'there it is', but verily I say unto you, no one knows the time or the hour, no, not even the Son, but only the Father." So for any of you wingnut Fundamentalist lurkers out there, there you have it. Get a clue, get a life, and quit trying to bring on Armageddon. The life you save may be your own. OK, I'm off my soapbox now - I just had to get that off my chest.

These are the people who are running America now and who will continue to run it if we don't defend the 1st Amendment and the Seperation of Church & State.

GIVE ME CHURCH / STATE SEPERATION OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!

Do you think that I could somehow pretend to be Jesus, or the big man himself to get stupid assholes like these to do my bidding? I sure could use a new house, mine is a wreck. Oh, and some of those nifty paint-by-number Jesuses. Those are pretty cool. While I'm at it, I might as well get them to burn some livestock at a sacrificial altar. I love roast meat!

No, seriously, what the fuck are these people (and I use that term loosely) thinking? If a left-leaning bunch pulled a stunt like this, they'd end up getting interrogated or sent to Gitmo, or worse! What, all of a sudden it's OK to endorse the murder of American citizens, as long as it's done in the noble name of fag bashing? Christ, send these idiots a fuckin' Bible or a bunch of zany Rapturist tracts. Jesus must be spinning in his non-grave...

MojoXN

I'm feeling downright useful this morning. Here's (presumably)Shirley Phelps-Roper's phone number and address.

Phelps-Roper, Sam
3708 SW Churchill Rd
Topeka, KS 66604-1738
(785) 228-9287

What with her being high on God, J.C. and co. and all, I figure that she's probably home right now. Unless she disregards, "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy" along with "Love thy neighbor" Which wouldn't surprise me in the least. Perhaps we should voice our messages of support for her insanely zealous crusade.
MojoXN

there are going to be an awful lot of fundies crying in their beer when the rapture finally does occur, and they all get "left behind". Hee hee. I may well go to hell with them, but at least I'll have the consolation of seeing the devil stick a pitchfork up their self righteous, smug assholes.

"thank god" for 9/11, and it gets covered?

What is wrong with the media and this country is SO apparent. Propaganda .... NOTHING but propaganda, all the time, every time.

I'm ready for a revolution!

:kick::kick::kick:

I watched Meet the Press this morning and Our Minority Whip Mike Durbin was strong and he actually had reporters agreeing with him that privatization won't fix SS.

House Whip for the repubs was almost begging DEMS to come to the table, but Durbin said, "Not while privatization is on that table because it doesn't fix the problem and it costs money we don't have to implement it."

We could probably write in to local papers about this insanity and get some coverage if enough of us did it.

Key Points
* God does love the World. He said so, John 3:16
* 911 was a horrible loss of life and their protest disrespects all who tragically died that day.
* They don't represent most people in Kansas and should not pretend to do so.
* Most rational people will dismiss them as nut jobs anyway, but such a terrible display must be commented upon so as not to imply agreement.

I'm speechless... sick. Sick, sick, sick!

RE: "You've got a bunch of lying false prophets that are running these churches being paid to tell people that God loves them," Roper said.

Really? I think this verse is in most standard Bibles.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

understand that they WILL call you back. They will find out who you are, where you live and where you work. And they will harrass you ad nauseum. If you have a fax machine, they will inundate you with faxes. They will email you with thousands of hateful messages. They are not only hateful, but devious and MEAN.

And you will NEVER change their mind. I know several folks who have tangled with them and most regret ever trying to communicate with this bunch of lunatics.

their health. Explained that all that anger and rage they lived with 24/7 must be harmful. Oh yeah, I also told them they were horrible people. I never heard a word from them.

They have gone after a couple friends of mine. One was driving by and his passenger yelled at them. They got my friend's tag number and harrassed him for months. He had to change his phone number.

are giving to the Phelps clan.

"That was but a small sign of the doom of this nation," she said. "You can't live your life anyway you want to and expect to go to heaven."

A Cleveland resident identifying herself only as Kim observed the group and their sign.

"I'm not completely sure about that but as far as the club in our high school, no...no."

The protesters came to Cleveland after a student group's effort to form a gay straight club at White County High School captured national headlines.

WHAT THE FUCK IS "I'm not copmletely sure about that but..." is suppose to mean?

Its ok to demonize the victims of 9-11 as long as you're hating on gays. Right freaking wonderful, god help this fuckin country.

by surprise. It is pretty awful up close. We here who live with these sick people see this every day. We HAVE responses, at least those of us who are not scared of them. I still can't get over the phone messages I have been left. They can be pretty scary if you are not prepared for them.

From what I can tell a lot of Americans are completely comfortable with that idea as long as it means we have an excuse to invade the ME.

There are a lot of people who would have been willing to take part in such a plan and would keep quite about it, these people seem to have missed the memo. lol.

"Imagine theres no Heaven, its easy if you try, no Hell below us, above us only sky"....:evilgrin: O8) :evilfrown:

Here's the real one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3221790

These people are sick.

that's what i'd like to hear from those who ask "where are the mainstream muslims who should be denouncing their extremists counterparts?"

i demand that christians publicly denounce this hate speech!
(/me holds breath)

but i doubt anyone will ever mention these guys

He can't say it, but they can??? :shrug: