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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 05:23 AM
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Wisconsin Death has Lefkow Tie
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050310lefkow,0,4802433.story?coll=chi-newsbreaking-hed


Investigators early Thursday said a man who shot himself in the head during a traffic stop in Wisconsin had a suicide note claiming responsibility for the slaying of U.S District Judge Joan Lefkow's husband and mother last week.

Members of the task force of Chicago police and federal argents said the man's van was stopped in West Allis, near Milwaukee, about 6 p.m. As officers approached the vehicle, the man killed himself with a gunshot to the head.

Investigators said the man had a suicide note that included an admission that he shot the judge's family. The note included details in the case that were not released to the public, investigators said.

In the vehicle were .22 caliber shells. Investigators found three casings of the same caliber in the Lefkow home this week. Investigators also said they should have enough physical evidence, including DNA, a fingerprint and other items from the crime scene, to make a definitive comparison.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 06:28 AM
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2. Interesting
If true, I wonder if we'll ever find out why he shot them, or if it will remain "classified".
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:25 AM
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3. More info on the guy who killed himself.
Looks like it may have nothng to do with Matt Hale after all.

Report: Dead Man's Suicide Note Claims He Killed Judge's Family

There's a report in Chicago that a man who committed suicide in suburban Milwaukee left a note claiming responsibility for the murders of the husband and mother of a federal judge.

Police in West Allis, Wis., plan a news conference today but in the meantime are not confirming the report. Chicago police said detectives have been sent to the Milwaukee suburb after being notified about a possible suicide in West Allis.

Police spokesman Hector Alfaro won't confirm if the shooting is related to the slayings of U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow's mother and husband 10 days ago.

Lefkow found the bodies when she came home from work last week.

The Chicago Tribune reported a man who shot himself during a traffic stop Wednesday left a note claiming responsibility. The paper said the note mentioned undisclosed details of the killings and apparently claimed a ruling by the judge cost him his job, house and family. The man had killed himself with a gunshot to the head.

http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/4270937/detail.html
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:59 AM
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4. Why would we conclude this? Hale is in jail himself. He would have had
to have contracted, extorted, threatened someone else to do the deed for him.... :shrug:
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 03:14 PM
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24. Ummm....
If it turns out that this guy actually did it, it looks like Hale is off the hook. Hale's communications while in prison are being monitored, and this guy apparently had a grudge against the judge for an entirely unrelated matter. Now if it turns out that the guy is ALSO a white supremacist, then that's a different matter. But given what is currently being reported, I'm VERY glad that we have the checks and balances we do, since some here at DU were calling for Hale's lynching because of this earlier. And yes, I mean actual lynching, not figurative lynching.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:06 AM
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5. They just mentioned him on NBC
Sounds it could be mental illness. He had sued a hospital for a billion dollars claiming he had cancer. He represented himself in court and claimed some kind of judicial conspiracy.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:22 AM
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6. Some people confess to crimes they had absolutely nothing
to do with.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:31 AM
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10. He had a gun that matched, though
I think he's probably mentally ill AND had something to do with it.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:50 AM
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17. Looks like it.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 03:15 PM
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25. since there was a bloody fingerprint at the scene....
it shouldn't be too hard to evaluate the guy's claims.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:38 AM
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16. They had a 40+ min news conference
on about it earlier here (in Milwaukee)...the story I heard is he sued a doctor for a billion claiming he'd been left disfigured after mouth cancer surgery. Lefkow dismissed the case sometime in late January.

The man also apparently had a "revenge list" of people who'd "ruined his life" that he was carrying with him. I'd say mental illness was probably a big part of it.
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Komrade _azul Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:46 AM
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7. Another B*sh appointee heading for the bench?
Will the white house have the opportunity to send another right wing lapdog to the Federal bench in Chicago? It's hard to see Lepkow staying on the bench, I couldn't work if my spouse and mother were killed in the basement. This could be a windfall for the right, the chance to exercise 'compassionate conservatism' with a quick closure to a murder and pick up another seat on the bench.
Who says he was the one that killed them?
Keep the filibusters going, the repukes are getting too bold with all the talk of 'new-clear' options.
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kybob Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:12 AM
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8. more media, jousting at windmills
seems the media jumped right in on a white power aryian nation type of conspiracy, broadcasting a lot of hype over the possible killers, motives etc.

the MSM and the cable News networks once again provide a diservice to the public. i don't like right wing or left wing nuts. is there a news service that deals with facts rather than assumptions?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:58 AM
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19. kybob, You Apparently Don't Know The Background
There is a white supremicist group with her on their hitlist, and folks went to jail for their efforts to carry it out in the past.

This isn't a case of MSM grandstanding. It was the first place police and FBI looked. They WERE reporting the facts.
The Professor
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:52 AM
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11. what?
another right wing lapdog to the federal bench in chicago? chicago and illinois politics don`t work that way......
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:56 AM
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18. She Said She's Absolutely Staying On
She had a press briefing in which she said she would NOT be intimidated into leaving and would not run away to grieve because her mom and husband would not have approved of that reaction.
The Professor
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:13 AM
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9. something sounds henky
As my uncle would have called it (After seeing a certain Tom Cruise Movie.) An Orgy (Festival) of evidence. He said there was never a scene where there was an 'orgy' of evidence that turned out to be what it appeared.

Then again he was a cop who said the police were dirty.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:20 AM
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12. hinky, as I've heard it
The cops approached the vehicle and he had time to write the note, including details "known only to the perpetrator."

That's a lot of writing in the time it takes to walk up to a vehicle. Also, he killed himself with a shotgun. Ugh, you've got to position that weapon right, or else you end up with a blown off jaw and a helluva lot of hurt in your future.

Very weird, indeed.

And to the other poster, yes, Hale could definitely have orchestrated this from within prison. Some people are that powerful within an organization that their word is enough, because operatives on the outside do the dirty work. The New Yorker did an expose on Aryan prison gangs and it was, shall we say, both enlightening and terrifying.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:23 AM
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15. thank you!
I find this whole thing a little...."odd"


The heat was focused on a far right fascist movement with a giant "W" in it's name because THEY CALLED FOR THE DEATH OF THE JUDGE WHO'S FAMILY HAS BEEN KILLED.......

now everyone's looking at a guy who was pulled over "for a routine traffic stop" who suddenly shoots himself in the head.... and in his car is evidence that implicates him in the death of these people..


(firmly fastening my tin foil bonnet in place.. )



:tinfoilhat:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 12:00 PM
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20. I Put Nothing Past Hale, But. . .
. . . the report did not say he wrote the note as police were approaching. He very well could have had a contingency suicide plan if he got cornered. The note could have been written a week ago, but part of the plan would be to have it with him.

There's also some confusion, because the original police description was that he shot himself with a .22 handgun.
The Professor
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:37 AM
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13. Watched local TV coverage of the story: neighbors describe Bart Ross
as a loner and "weird guy." No known family. They were aware of his medical lawsuit.

It could be he was the kind of "lone wolf" that the white supremacist movement attracts, and was motivated by what he read online to act against a judge who he perceived as wronging not just him, but a martyr to his cause.

Pure speculation, but time will tell.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:22 AM
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14. He was a lone "nutter."
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 11:24 AM by reichstag911
Based on what I've read and heard, and on my own personal experience with the farcical legal system, he was someone who was at least somewhat deranged by a perceived medical malpractice issue from ~12 years ago. He claimed in his pro se filing in Lefkow's court that doctors had disfigured him by treating him with radiation and chemo without his consent. He sued for a billion dollars, his suit was dismissed by Lefkow last July, and his Motion to Reconsider was also summarily dismissed Jan. 25 of this year. That left him a month to research, plan and execute his plan.

I have in the past had dealings with the district and appellate courts here in greater Chicago, and two matters in particular left me feeling enraged by the intransigence, rank incompetence, and/or lack of a forum for a non-wealthy citizen to have his grievances heard. Between the police, prosecutors, and political appointee judges, it's a real witches' brew of the above three negative qualities.

In one of these matters, I wound up filing a pro se appeal on a traffic case necessitated by the incompetence of a freshly minted judge not having a fucking clue what he was doing. How bad was he? My pro se appeal was victorious when the Cook County State's Attorney's office declined to argue it, choosing to submit a Confession of Error to the appellate court instead. My understanding is that a Confession of Error is an extremely rare response from the SA, especially in an appeal filed pro se. As I am neither an attorney, nor did I attend law school, I wonder how often something like that happens.

Even having won this, though, at no point did I feel that anyone genuinely gave a shit about the facts of the case, the right or wrong of it, except for one judge earlier in the process who'd ruled in my favor, a ruling subsequently and inappropriately reversed by the "peer" judge mentioned above. Also, the prosecutor/inquisitor looking to get another notch for their belt might be said to have cared, I guess, though certainly not about my interests.
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:57 PM
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21. Report: Suicide linked to Chicago slayings
CHICAGO - Police investigating a man who killed himself during a traffic stop in Wisconsin found "some material" that pointed toward the slayings of a a federal judge's husband and mother last week, Wisconsin police said Thursday.

A suicide note indicated U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow had ruled against the man in a civil case, costing him "his house, his job and family," the Chicago Tribune reported, citing unidentified sources. The legal dispute involved the man's treatment for cancer.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11093722.htm
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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eventually, the repukes WILL back gun-control measures-
a heavily armed populace does not jive with the ideals of a corporo-fascist government.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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I find this whole thing a little...."odd"
The heat was focused on a far right fascist movement with a giant "W" in it's name because THEY CALLED FOR THE DEATH OF THE JUDGE WHO'S FAMILY HAS BEEN KILLED.......

now everyone's looking at a guy who was pulled over "for a routine traffic stop" who suddenly shoots himself in the head.... and in his car is evidence that implicates him in the death of these people..


(firmly fastening my tin foil bonnet in place..:tinfoilhat: )
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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Doesn't everyone carry around a suicide note, just in case?
I know I do :eyes: I wouldn't want my family to worry, you know? :shrug:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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there's a phrase I usually apply.... "BULLSHIT!" This stinks.
Suicide? What for?
It stinks.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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Dupe
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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To be semi fair to the judiciary...
they are charged with interpreting the law - the real finger is pointed at the legilative branch. Until we get decent laws for these situations, the judges are somewhat stuck.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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WE have SOME redress though, despite the legislative branch...
Jury Nullification
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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deleted...dupe post n/t
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 11:31 AM by reichstag911
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 01:57 PM
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22. so, the lack of socialized medicine...
at least played a part in pushing a man over the edge.

(not justifying the mans actions in the least...i'm just sayin')
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-99 07:00 PM
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1. Let me borrow your disclaimer
(not justifying the mans actions in the least...i'm just sayin')

When the judiciary becomes a wholly owned arm of the corporate facist state and the people no longer have redress, these things are going to happen.

Just another uptick on the misery index, hope someone's paying attention.

Direct action gets the goods. I'm just sayin'
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 02:48 PM
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23. he lost a case in which he sued to the tune of $1 Billion dollars in where
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 02:49 PM by NNguyenMD
he represented himself. He was diagnosed with cancer inthe 90's and based his suit on the fact the he was inappropiately given radiation therapy.

If he was still dying of cancer before he shot himself, then his story is truly tragic. But if he was in remission then I would bet he was just a lunatic.
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