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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:00 AM
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US withdraws from agreement on death penalty

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/03/10/execution_protocol_ends/

Execution protocol ends
US withdraws from agreement on death penalty

By Charles Lane, Washington Post | March 10, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration has decided to pull out of an international agreement that opponents of the death penalty have used to fight the sentences of foreigners on death row in the United States, officials said yesterday.
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In a two-paragraph letter dated March 7, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed UN Secretary General Kofi Annan that the United States ''hereby withdraws" from the Optional Protocol to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. The United States proposed the protocol in 1963 and ratified it -- along with the rest of the Vienna Convention -- in 1969.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:18 AM
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1. another promise broken. Fuck them all.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:34 AM
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2. where are those pictures of * with blood dribbling out the corner
of his mouth? The execution emperor strikes again.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:38 AM
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3. Ahem.
How many agreements and treaties does one country need to divest before they are no longer even a member of the United Nations?

Radical Right Wing Fanatics, anyone?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:39 AM
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4. that is an excellent question....
The US is probably in more UN violations than Israel by now.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:51 AM
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5. so, if a US citiizen gets in bad trouble in another country--they could
probably use this say that --well, we can execute you also?/
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 07:55 AM
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6. Who is stopping them now?
How many U.S. citizens have been rescued from the ravages of Ir** - or anywhere else - lately?

WHO exactly is going to save Citizens?

You must be kidding.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:37 AM
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11. so the answer is
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 09:40 AM by YankeyMCC
to build a means of international enforcement not to just let it continue to happen and contribute to the problem by sinking to the same level.

And the reason given for withdrawl had nothing to do with other countries following or not following the rules. It was our desire to exist outside and above internaltion law.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:11 PM
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12. Personally
I believe there should be a world-wide ban on the DEATH PENALTY.

Unfortunately taking life is something some do very well.
So they bicker over the details.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:49 AM
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9. The Freepazoids in my little red town will be pleased
to read about it. They have signs in their front yards "Get US out of the UN!" which they considered to be a Satanic organization.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:27 AM
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7. The US has never honored a single treaty it has ever signed,
ever, ask native Americans.

Bastards. This government just gets sicker and sicker.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:40 AM
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8. The Americans betray another trust
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Komrade _azul Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:50 AM
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10. America is a law onto itself.
First Kyoto, now this. When will the Geneva convention be burned on the White house lawn? If things keep going this way soon there won't be treaty left standing.
Any guesses on Nato's end?
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 08:32 PM
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13. Seems Like Misleading Info
As I understand the agreement it is required that the foreign government be notified when someone is holding them on a charge. I don't believe that it has anything to do with the death penalty, other than the fact that it can be argued that the person may not have been able to obtain better legal representation.

White House seeks review of death-row case
"Compliance serves to protect the interest of United States citizens abroad, promotes the effective conduct of foreign relations and underscores the United States' commitment in the international community in the rule of law," Clement wrote.

Sandra Babcock, an attorney representing Mexico in the case, called the administration's move "an important, extraordinary statement" and "recognition by President Bush that compliance with the Vienna Convention has important repercussions for Americans who find themselves in trouble abroad."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/politics/11081483.htm

US withdraws from Vienna protocol
The United States has withdrawn from a Vienna Convention protocol which gave the International Court of Justice the right to intervene in cases of foreigners held in US jails.


The protocol requires signatories to let the international court make the final decision when detained foreigners say they have been illegally denied access to a diplomat from their country.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2584F484-320F-41A8-A893-9508F76B5A55.htm

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