Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

LAT: A Very Public Opinion Exchange (Estrich v Kinsley turns nasty)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:41 PM
Original message
LAT: A Very Public Opinion Exchange (Estrich v Kinsley turns nasty)
A very public opinion exchange
Wanting to see more commentary pieces by women, a writer takes on a Times editor. And raises some eyebrows.

By James Rainey, Times Staff Writer


....The dearth of female commentators at American newspapers is no secret, but the issue turned considerably more public and more rancorous in recent weeks as writer and feminist Susan Estrich intensified a long-running campaign to get the Los Angeles Times to publish more opinion pieces by women.

The USC professor demanded action by The Times and directed her anger at Michael Kinsley, a onetime Harvard Law School classmate and editor of The Times' opinion and editorial pages.

In a series of e-mails to Kinsley — some of them copied to journalists, who quickly posted them on the Internet — Estrich questioned Kinsley's mental powers and judgment, predicting his days at the newspaper were "numbered."

Referring to Kinsley's Parkinson's disease, she wrote that "people are beginning to think that your illness may have affected your brain, your judgment and your ability to do this job."

As a result, Estrich's already icy relationship with the newspaper's op-ed operation has gone into a deep freeze. Kinsley has accused Estrich of "blackmail" and called her comments about his health "disgusting."...


http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-et-estrich11mar11,0,4998276.story?coll=la-home-style
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
1. Where was that kind of hardball during the Dukakis campaign?
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 10:44 PM by bluestateguy
Susan Estrich has the distinction of managing that campaign. She's 17 years too late.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:48 PM
Response to Original message
2. what a disgusting thing to say, fuck her
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
3. Estrich Is A Faux News Concubine, And A Major Sell-Out To The Left !!!
Bye Susie!!!

:fuckyou:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 10:54 PM
Response to Original message
4. On top of everything else she is dumb
As the controversy drags into a fourth week, Estrich continues to bounce from conciliation to confrontation. She seemed near tears in an interview, saying she never intended the fight to get so personal. She blamed the operators of her website for improperly posting comments about Kinsley's mental health and contended she didn't think e-mails to Drudge and others in the media would get into the public domain.


She didn't believe that emails to Drudge would be made public?! I suppose she also believes in the tooth fairy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. The mouth that ate LA. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Her actions do seem unusual for a public person...
wondering if her wagon has indeed run off the road --
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 11:53 PM
Response to Original message
7. I've never liked Estrich much, but...
As an avid reader of the LA Times Op-Ed page, I was very pleased when I heard Kinsley got the job, but I have been disappointed with the product under his watch.

They've gone sort of "Hollywood" (ironic, I know). Lots of regular "name" commentators. A whole page to Joel Pett and cartoons on Sundays. A lot more lightweight pieces without a lot of meaning, just snarkiness.

Kinsley's columns themselves are often very good, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 05:30 AM
Response to Original message
8. She couldn't write out a grocery list
Making fun of a person's disability? What an asshole.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
10. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 11:12 AM
Response to Original message
11. Estrich Is a Faux Liberal
Edited on Fri Mar-11-05 11:12 AM by DoveTurnedHawk
She caves to the right more often than not in her FAUX "News" appearances. Her comments about Kinsley's health were despicable. And she is either lying or moronic if she didn't think her e-mails were going to be made public.

That said, all media outlets need many more women voices, in every sector of the business. Estrich is just a really shitty conveyer of that message at the moment, just like Bev Harris is a really shitty conveyer of the voting reform message at the moment.

DTH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-05 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
12. I'm glad SOMEONE is taking up the issue.
snip>
Forty-three prominent Los Angeles women signed Estrich's original complaint about gender imbalance, and several interviewed after the furor with Kinsley erupted said they continue to stand by her. They said The Times' shortcomings are proven by recent tallies demonstrating how few women write for the opinion pages.

In the first nine weeks of this year, women penned 20.5% of the paper's op-ed columns, not including staff editorials, which do not carry bylines. That compared to the New York Times, with 17% women writers on its op-ed pages and the Washington Post with 10%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 08:16 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC