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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:46 AM
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Support for Bush on Social Security Wanes, Poll Finds (WP/ABC poll)
Barely a third of the public approves of the way President Bush is dealing with Social Security and a majority says the more they hear about Bush's plan to reform the giant retirement system, the less they like it, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
...
But on Social Security, the president's popularity continues to decline. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed said they approved of the way Bush is handling Social Security, down three points since January and the lowest level of support for Bush on this issue ever recorded in Post-ABC polls.

Bush has made Social Security reform the cornerstone of his domestic policy agenda. But his efforts to win public support for his proposals to change the system appear to be having just the opposite effect, according to the poll.

Nearly six in 10--58 percent--say they are more inclined to oppose administration's reform plans as they learn more about it. Only a third say they are more receptive to Bush's proposals as more details become available.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33028-2005Mar14.html?nav=rss_politics
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:52 AM
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1. At some point, the public wakes up
Their kids are dying in a stupid war, and they don't care. The economy is a shambles and the deficit is out of control, and they don't care. The Bushies lie 20 times before breakfast, and they don't care. But put a finger on mom's monthly check, and suddenly they care.

Bush was on the radio this weekend, mocking "partisan" Democrats. This is the most partisan, least honest, and least competent pack of thugs ever to occupy the White House. And occupy is the right word. This is an occupation, just like Iraq.

I hope the Democrats use this to ram his entire agenda up his ass.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 AM
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7. Bush calls us Partisan Democrats??? He should start with himself
and his Robber Repiglicans when using adjectives. The Smirk wanes.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 AM
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8. It no doubt really pisses Bush off that he has not yet been successful
with this particular campaign of lies.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:48 PM
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16. Exactly. * is no doubt pissed off...be prepared for his revenge! eom
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:53 AM
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2. wanes???
it never was there in the first place!!
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:59 AM
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4. Isn't it amazing how
the press distorts?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:05 AM
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9. yes, but
i've come to expect it.....*sigh*.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:21 AM
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38. I read that most of his stage productions have been "infiltratred"
by protestors. Why the hell does the press think that he should be able to put up these scripted shows and pass them off as public meetings? If some one protests or voices an opinion other than the GOP verse, they are "infiltrators", guilty of some unspecified crime.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:54 AM
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3. Alternet has a article out on the next BushCo attack on SS
To finance the campaign, business and trade association lobbyists are pressing their corporate members to fill the privatization collection plate. The New York Times' Glen Justice reports that althought "most groups are still raising money, and the spending figures they quote are still often just targets, the lobbying could amount to more than $100 million."

COMPASS, which counts the Business Roundtable, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the corporate funded USANext as members, just launched its "Generations Together" outreach effort, on which it expects to spend $20 million. The "grass-roots" campaign will try to recruit more than 100,000 volunteers to voice their support for President Bush's Social Security plan at town hall meetings and rallies as well as make phone calls and write letters to members of Congress, demanding action on Social Security.

Collaborating with COMPASS in its aggressive push for privatization is Progress for America, a group closely tied to the White House that spent nearly $30 million on Bush's re-election. As part of its $20 million Social Security reform campaign, PFA has recruited Texas A&M University economics professor Thomas R. Saving as an advisor and spokesman. Saving, however, was appointed by Bush as one of seven trustees for the U.S. Social Security Administration. The trustees issue reports on the current and projected financial status of the program, raising questions about potential conflicts of interest between his advocacy work at PFA and his role as a trustee.

http://www.alternet.org/story/21478/

And still there is no definate BushCo SS Plan any where in existence, just a lot of happy talk about saving SS.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:00 AM
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5. If Bush hasn't SOLD IT by now, he never will....Meaning he has lost the
Trust/Political Capital he once had. Bush has become Tom DeLay in many ways...both smelling to High Heaven
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:02 AM
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6. Bwahahahahaaahahahah!!!! The Road Show Has NEGATIVE Results for Chimpy!
Hahahahahaahahahahahaah!!!!

How does it feel to be such a defective product, Chimpy??? You SUCK!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:19 AM
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10. That's happened before.
In the 2000 election primary, Bush spent all his time doing the retail campaigning in NH, letting people get to know him.

Result: dropped in the polls.

Next primary, in New Hampshire, Bush went relentlessly and disgusting negative on McCain. Result: Bush chosen as lesser of two evils.

Which strategy do you think Bush has used since? The one where he lets people get to know him and his stands, or the one where he smears his opponents?

That's why the SS debate is bad for him. USA Next has already tried as good a smear as it can, practically calling SS a gay antipatriotic conspiracy. But social security receipients aren't monsters, and people who expect SS to be there in return for their taxes aren't Saddam.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:21 AM
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11. Don't celebrate yet
and don't underestimate this guy...........

don't underestimate the power of the money or how low his supporters will go to keep him from losing.....

continue the fight.....the worst assault on truth and Social Security is yet to come....
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:25 PM
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32. yeah and don't underestimate
the gullibility of the koolaid drinkers.

keep repeating a lie often enough and it gets accepted... just like goebbels said.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:24 AM
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12. He can kill Iraqi civilians all day long, just don't screw with SS...
I'm glad that the general public is waking up, but damm, are we so self centered that human life means nothing if it isn't American.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:29 AM
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13. Give up now! The Republicans have us surrounded!
</fucking sarcasm>

Carville is an imbecile.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:31 AM
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14. I wonder if his stubborn arrogance will let him switch gears:
given he can never admit being wrong...:eyes:
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SujiwanKenobee Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:11 AM
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15. Odd title:
I get those e-mail news alerts for WP titles:

Mine says: Politics: Poll Shows Support for Social Security Change
(word "Wanes" doesn't show up)

Then if you go to the AP itself: "Support for President on Social Security Declines.

A person could get the wrong idea from these alerts if they didn't open the e-mail and/or go to the actual WP page! This isn't the first time a title has been misleading on account of letter space!
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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17. Barely 1/3 of Americans Approve of President's Plan, Poll Finds - WaPo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33028-2005Mar14.html

Barely a third of the public approves of the way President Bush is dealing with Social Security and a majority says the more they hear about Bush's plan to reform the giant retirement system, the less they like it, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Bush's overall job approval rating stood at 50 percent, unchanged from last month and nearly exactly where it was a year ago. Currently, 48 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president.

But on Social Security, the president's popularity continues to decline. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed said they approved of the way Bush is handling Social Security, down three points since January and the lowest level of support for Bush on this issue ever recorded in Post-ABC polls.

Bush has made Social Security reform the cornerstone of his domestic policy agenda. But his efforts to win public support for his proposals to change the system appear to be having just the opposite effect, according to the poll.
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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18. But they're happy to vote for the moron.
Then again, it's WHO counts the votes.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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19. I'm as paranoid as the next person, but his job approval is at 50%
so it's not JUST who counts the votes. How can they hate his social security program and still support him?
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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20. You know, I think Smirky's lil' education tour is working...
People are learning how full of shit he is.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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23. Pipple r gettin edumacatyeted. Is r childn lernin? n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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21. In the minds of our corporately owned House and Senate, 1/3 of
the public constitutes a significant enough number of constituents to justify eventually getting this through both Houses.

Wait...on second thought, "constituents" in 2005 generally refers to corporations that make political campaign contributions, or have bought or coerced legislators in some other way in order to make them do their bidding.

(Apologies to those Senators that voted against the bankruptcy bill, and to the House members that will vote against it next month. It is nice to know that not all of you have been compromised.)
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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22. I do not believe the 50% any more then I believe * about SS
:kick:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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24. What Plan? Bush has only offered happy talk but no plan is on the
table. Why isn't the WaPo pointing this out?

Why isn't any media outlet pointing out that there is no official plan being pushed here?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:51 PM
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25. Oh, if only we lived in a Free Nation where what the Common People
felt about a certain subject mattered.

But we live in Imperial Amerikan, and WHATEVER the Imperial Subjects think about the Bushevik Plan for Looting the Treasury, doesn't really matter, and they are going to do it no matter what.

At worst, a legilaslative defeat will be followed by the issuance of Imperial Fiats which will accomplish most or all of the looting by another name.

Watch and learn.

I'd say what is about to happen would be the shock that would wake the Imperial Subjects of Amerika to their True Status as Imperial Virtual Slaves, but I don;t think that for a minute.

"Say, did you hear Bush got his Social Security Accounts started?"

"What do you mean? I sort of remember everyone hated it and no one voted on it."

"I don't know about all that, but I do know I got Social Security Paperwork on how to start my Private Account."

Orwell was right. watch, learn and TRULY UNDERSTAND where you live.

Because the future will become more understandable, and you will be ready to do what you have to do when Phase Two and Phase Three of the Imperial Transition occurs.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 04:53 PM
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26. I hope he keeps up his "education" campaign. It's hurting him. n/t
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 05:18 PM
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27. Thanks Rose!
You've been doing great work ever since you surfaced!
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:26 PM
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28. Uh oh, looks like Bush got stood up on his man-date
nt
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:53 PM
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29. No doubt he's clueless.
I'll bet money that they're not telling him anything. He's so isolated, I'm sure they're telling him that everyone adores the plan.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:53 PM
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30. It's "waning"? How can it "wane"? It never waxed! n/t
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:21 PM
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31. He's lost the support of everyone except the fundies and the freepers
Talk about hitting bottom...
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:55 PM
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33. I'm surprised he got thirty-five percent...
to approve of it. When the polls show that nine out of ten disapprove of Bushes "reform" plan I'll feel much better.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 PM
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34. It's over
It was over when Pfizer poulled out of the corporate team to support Bush's plan. They saw the handwriting on the wall.

And the coup de grace -- for me at least -- was last week in Montgomery, Alabama, when most of the state's Republican congressmen avoided Bush's snake oil road show like it was a rally for gay marriage advocates.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:06 PM
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35. I like this cartoon re SS crisis! :-)
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:27 PM
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36. Hey chimp & freeps !
If it ain't related to bombs and bullshit, you can't peddle it!
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:28 PM
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37. Spin: "Waning means we're winning, just like in Iraq!"
I wonder who'll be the first to utter that whopper. Veep?
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