Russia backs China on Taiwan

Putey Poo is giving Bush the back of his hand......


Russia and China.... A broke economy and a broken political system.... They deserve each other...

...at the current time, and as far as political systems are concerned, the PNAC-based Busch Junta is nothing to write home about.

Everything that was accomplished to end the Cold War has been destroyed by Herr Busch and his merry little minions. Russia and China are reunited, both countries are working on nuclear weapons research, and China is gearing up to do some serious heavy lifting during the next war. Economically, China has the US by the chinny-chin-chin.

Additionally, Russia has been in talks with Germany, France, Syria, India, Iran, and countries in the former Warsaw Pact. China has been talking with India, North Korea, Peru, Chile, and certain Central American countries. China also indirectly threatened Australia when they told the Aussies to review their treaties with the US.

Herr Busch is getting exactly what he deserves...too bad he's taking the rest of us with him on his suicidal charge.

Putin is um, saying something to the dear leader of the US. Bite me!

Russia trying to revitalize the client state from the cold war? Russia currying favor with China is VERY scary. :scared:

That ought to be a hell of a G8 conference this summer.

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...before us, and likely to meet the same fate.

Yes, Herr Busch has single-handedly pushed the old Cold War allies together, and has forced old allies to become political and economic opponents. Meanwhile, the old non-aligned nations are aligning against us as quickly as they can.

Russia wants a free hand in Chechnya. China wants a free hand in Tibet/Xinjiang/Taiwan.

Self determination is far from being accepted anywhere... Well outside of Canada. =)

Examples given for Russia and China are within their "direct spheres of influence." I doubt Russia or China would be willing to allow us an outright free hand in the middle east.

Latin America is to America as Taiwan, Tibet, Uighur are to China and as Chechnya, Dagestan, Ossetia, etc are to Russia. It is our "exclusive and direct sphere of influence."

America belongs to Latin and even more Indigenous America, which is the majority and rightfull owner, not Gringolandia, which is the oligarchy and robber.

The people everywhere outside Gringolandia are saying in clear voice: we are not your exclusive and direct sphere of influence. Gringo go home, or join us!

I was not saying that Latin America should be controlled by the US. I am saying that the people in power in America have treated the entire western hemisphere as China is treating Taiwan. I don't see the Monroe Doctrine as that different from China's anti-succession law because as we all know domination of a people can occur on more than just a political level. The US never demanded political subservience that China demands but they demand economic and social subservience.

As for Areas of influence they are total crap EVERYWHERE not just in the example of Latin America as part of the US's sphere of influence. However great powers and super powers don't recognize this and as a result the very idea of spheres of influence is still one of the core concepts behind international relations and diplomacy today.

Ever hear someone denounce Russia's involvement in Chechnya, China's involvement in Taiwan, or even European influence in their former colonies and turn around and defend the US's actions in Latin America? Last Thursday I listened to this kid present a graduate level research project where he described China as an imperialist aggressor in their western provinces yet he had previously expressed his support for the US removing socialist governments (including the destruction of democracy in Chile)in Latin America because of the threat they posed to us and the "responsibility of the strong." Basically he was claiming that is unacceptable for China to claim a sphere of influence but it was unacceptable for the US not to do so. He was far from right but he showed the reality of how American leadership thinks.

I was merely attempting to point out how the leaders of great powers and super powers see things. =) China and Russia would be unwilling to trade an America having a free hand in Iraq for them having a free hand in their traditional spheres of influence. However the US has a better arguement in the eyes of other major powers in regards to Latin America. Whether we agree or not it is still part of "America's traditional sphere of influence."

I think it's actually called a "state", as in, "Chechnya is an autonomous republic that is part of the Russian Federation" or "Chile is a sovereign state that is not part of the United States of America."

Comparing American meddling in Iraq or South America to Russia's and China's internal issues is disingenuous, not to mention its being an oft-misused argument in the reactionary defense of this country's imperialist ambitions.

If given the chance to vote on sovereignty without the threat of reprisals from Moscow and Beijing how do you think Chechnya or Tibet would vote? Why should their political oppression keep them from being compared to the US's inter-state actions? Taiwan is only denied the title of "a state" because of the military threat posed on the mainland as they without question function as a sovereign state in every possible way other than being denied the silly-title that seems to give more credibility, at least in your eyes.

People are people regardless of if they are oppressed along political or economic lines. The US via the Monroe Doctrine has basically claimed super-national authority over the entire western hemisphere the same way China and Russia have claimed super-national authority over the areas mentioned (or worse just ignore the existence of conquered nations).

I see referring to mass oppression of nations by their conquering states as "internal disputes" to be absolutely horrifying and an oft-misused argument in favor of oppression of peoples world wide including in the US.

What you are basically arguing is that the US should have long ago invaded, and politically dominated Venezuela so that we could classify it as an internal dispute which the world could ignore. The difference between American imperialism in South America and Chinese or Russian Imperialism is that we didn't oppress them "enough" politically to deny them the title of "state."

anything about them going after Taiwan.

China probably feels this is as good an opportunity as they will get with Bush's pants being caught down in Iraq.

Not even Zapatero's Spain tolerates the will of the Basque people.

Every Goddamn nation state is fucked to the core. Let them be so, that is their nature, that is not my nature. I don't give a fuck about my nationality.

Nice being your buddy since 1950 but now China owns us, so don't look to us.

bush sure has put us in a bind here .

Putin's attempt to make Russia's opinion "matter" is laughable.

Don't think that is anything to laugh at.

nothing but sit on our asses.

..., but similarly to a number of his South American colleagues, Putin seems to understand which country will be the dominant power of the 21st century. Hence the gradual realignment from Yeltsin's failed Western foreign policy toward an Asiatic view of Russia's role in a world dominated by the PRC.

...is totally "laughable".

It's clear that you're missing the point...Herr Busch's actions are forcing inactive alliances to become active, neutral nations to side with those that are siding against us, and former allies to seek agreements with countries that used to be their enemies.

Economically, China has us by the short hairs, and they know it. They are also filling the power vaccuum in the Pacific Basin as we continue to strip away units to feed the grinder in the Middle East. Russia is more than happy to rebuild an old alliance with China at our expense. Additionally, they provide nuclear muscle to the alliance in terms of numbers of missiles. They will also be happy to supply China with the military technology that they need to compete on an even basis with the US.

This could work out in our favor.If China goes too far Bush will have no choice but cut trade with china.

cannot "go too far" as long as it is in business with the global corporations which run America. What's good for corporate America is good for China and vice versa.

That when you do business in a state run country bad things can happen.Hopefully they will bring jobs back to the U.S.A.That's how it would be in our favor.

Instead of watching our economy circle the drain as the very base of our once-strong nation is exported overseas?

getting along pretty well for now.

for us to get any help from Japan. Japan wants to everything in its power to get long term supply contracts for the provision of Russian oil and gas. The various deep water oil and gas fields over which Japan has disputed sovereignty are unlikely to be as rich as what the Russians might supply.

Bush clearly has made blunders so severe that even the best diplomatic Democratic administration ever will be able to get us out of this mess.

Has this been picked up by the western media? I don't see anything on Google News.