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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:44 AM
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Rice Says U.S. Concerned Over Iran-India Gas Deal

Wed Mar 16, 2005 01:19 AM ET

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Secretary of State of Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday that Washington had conveyed its concerns to India over plans for a gas pipeline from Iran to India.

The $4 billion pipeline through Pakistan, which was stalled for years because of tensions between New Delhi and Islamabad, has been back on the table since the nuclear rivals began a peace process a year ago.

The United States, which accuses Iran of trying to secretly develop nuclear weapons, has objected to the pipeline.

"Our views concerning Iran are well-known, we have communicated to the Indian government our concerns about the pipeline," Rice told reporters after talks with Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=7913872
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:49 AM
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1. Yeah and a pipeline is being built from Canada to China. It seems
anyone who can wants to not to have to deal with Bush.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:54 AM
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2. these are people bent on free trade...
halliburton is already in there somewhere, for the benefit of the sane world rice needs to chill about this administration's carrion point of view regarding commodities & futures imo
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:58 AM
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3. pipelines
It was the year 2000 and the Taliban refused to sign the caspian pipeline deal. The Bush administration decided "we're taking you out". Once the boogeymen were fingered via 911, we had the open door to get into Afghanistan, overthrow the government and get that PIPELINE through. (Surely you didn't think it was Osama we were after, did you) Now that the pipeline is in, Opium production is back up to 100%. CIA - cash crop

CON Rice can sit in THIS....and spin. The hypocracy is blatant, as usual.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:04 AM
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4. She condescends but doesn't give any reason
like Iran shouldn't be allowed to sell gas - why?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:54 AM
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21. Because that's our gas & oil and India belongs to us and all
deals & business goes through the US.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:04 AM
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5. P - remember it well - they were "offered" a carpet of gold or a
carpet of bombs.

Condi, like the rest of the thugs in the WH have no shame.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:16 AM
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7. What pipeline? So far the Caspian reserve has been a bust
That's the ironic part of it: the Caspian reserves were severely overestimated, and are high-sulfur (read, expensive to refine). All that, and still no cheap oil.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:23 AM
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16. you're right, Caspian has lots of natural gas, but shitty oil quality
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 06:23 AM by hadrons
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:11 AM
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22. Yeah, but that Natural Gas is a big
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 08:15 AM by Boo Boo
frigging deal. Europe, India, the US---huge consumption of NG to produce electricity. India needs it for that colossal NG/Electric plant that Enron built for them. Pretty sure I read somewhere that the EU has standardized on NG for new construction. Germany used to literally move towns, dig up the coal, and then put the towns back, but now they'll build NG-powered generators.

We liquify the stuff and ship it to the states just like we import Oil. There are two new LNG plants being built in Baja CA, which will de-liquify LNG and pipe it into California. Demand for NG is growing at quite a pace.

There is also a technological aspect to this: using NG powered fuel cells in conjunction with turbines it is possible to make NG/Electric plants that are 70 to 80 percent efficient, as opposed to 30+ percent from turbines alone. 70/80 percent efficiency is a pretty strong selling point.

Dirty Dick wants that NG!!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:07 AM
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6. Boo Hoo! You mean the great US bully wasn't invited?
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 03:10 AM by caledesi
I think Condi has it backwards....Iran and India have concerns about US!

edit usual stuff
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:32 AM
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8. The US does its share of accusing..
Doesn't it?
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:36 AM
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9. Cheap Oil????
Surely....SURELY, you don't think for one instant that the White House wants LOWER PRICES on oil do you? If you had millions tied up in Chevron or Exxon (like Bush and Condi and others do) would you want the price of oil to drop? Ahem....put your thinking caps on!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:39 AM
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10. China and Russia just agreed on a pipeline deal as well
these agreements for oil are through diplomacy

We can see how the US plans for it's future oil when Peak Oil is here
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ahindookid Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:11 AM
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11. If not Iran then who?
So if Iran selling oil to India is .........umm not OK, then who exactly should sell India oil?
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:14 AM
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12. We really need to be the leaders in developing an alternative...
...energy source using organic US assets because all these alliances are being created, reaffirmed, etc and the US is getting left out in the cold.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:38 AM
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13. Notice that Condi says "concern" instead of something stronger ...
Gee, I wonder if the toning down of rhetoric against Iran has to do with the recent natural gas development deal that a subsidiary of (you guessed it!) Halliburton just entered into with IRAN.

Humm ... makes you wonder, aye?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6982444/site/newsweek
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:39 AM
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17. Halliburton sure has good relations with all of those 'evil' countries.
One of those Alice-in-the-Twilight-Zone aspects of Bush's Iraq invasion is the fact that Vice President Dick Cheney was head of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000—while Halliburton subsidiaries were rebuilding Iraq's oil industry.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/082003Burns/082003burns.html
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:00 AM
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14. Rice or Bush? Guess it is Bush talking out of his other lips
They really do seem to wish to go after Iran this term and I am sure Iran knows it. Will India help us if they are buying oil from Iran? I do not think so.First lets show them, we can bomb one of those small countries back to the stone age and that will get them into line.
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:20 AM
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15. Free Trade!! Get used to it America!!
Countries are allowed to trade with whoever they want! This American thing about countries outside of America being allowed to "Trade" with whoever they want, being Un-American and therefore deservent of destruction is absolutely "ludicrous". There are only 290 million people in America! America has lost its "Respect" around the world. New potential America's are rising! China's "middle class" will very soon dwarf America's entire population. If this "Middle Class" is allowed to get its hands on "Credit Facilities" from the "Rest of the World", then look out America!!
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:34 AM
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18. There is so much money to be made
in Iran that even most of *'s friends at the Petroleum Club have begged him to lift the stupid sanctions which no other important country adheres to. That's why it's always a foreign subsidiary of Halliburton operating there. I think it was Conoco/Phillips which had negotiated a developmental deal with Iran, then lobbied the Congress furiously to allow it to proceed, all to no avail.

Classic case of shooting oneself in the foot in terms of the U.S. economic and energy strategy.

If Israel were to give its okay (which it won't), there'd be American oil executives crawling all over Tehran within a couple of days.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:41 AM
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19. As sovereign nations, it's not up to Condi
These PNACers and followers really do believe the whole world belongs to them.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:44 AM
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20. Condi, Bushit and Thugs missed the Diplomacy 101 course
Rule#1: You have to get along to go along.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 09:44 AM
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25. Yep and ConLiar -- never was a diplomat
She is an academic type who is used to bullying students. And it sure seems like she is trying to turn the world into the old cold war model. She functions more like the guy in the Mafia family who delivers the Don's threats.

Piss of either Russia or China -- so that the US military industrial complex can start banging the cold war drums again.

I remember when the Berlin Wall fell -- poppy Bush was downright pissed. Not please, not happy for the German people . . . but pissed that the cold war was almost over.

The world IS changing and these bushie crime family dinosaurs are being left behind. They are like an anchor turned backward facing the past -- while the rest of the world is turned to the future.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:32 AM
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23. We want India to buy Caspian NG
that we want to control, not NG from Iran.
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:53 AM
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24. Iran-India Gas Pipeline
India is doing what is in her best interest.At least she is negotiating for her energy needs as opposed to invading and occupying a oil rich country.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:29 PM
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26. Diplomacy is always the preferred way to go
Who wants to do business with a rogue nation?

Many countries are building coaltions against the US now.

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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 12:50 PM
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27. There once was this kid with a brand new football
And he took his ball to the playground to play with other kids.
This worked out just fine until one day the kid was getting beat pretty bad so he decided to change the rules to suit him. (instead of learning from his mistakes and improving his game for this experience)
The other kids balked at his sudden and self-serving rule changes so the kid got mad and took his football home with him.

Result: The other kids put their resources together and bought their own football.

I have a feeling that Condi never played on a playground as a kid. As a matter of fact I am pretty much convinced that she drinks blood.

:puke:
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