Bush pushes sexual abstinence for teens despite data

She was 18 at the time and knew NOTHING about safe sex. 18 and totally uneducated. I hate this abstinence education bull shit.

Same reason. And as a good Catholic girl, she married the father -- who turned into a crack-head.

Much later on, I asked her if she knew anything about birth-control, and she said, "No, what's that? You mean, not having sex? But he really REALLY wanted to, and I couldn't say no."

it'll only get worse. sooner or later, they won't even talk about it, and leave kids to figure it out on their own, if their parents don't give them some explanation.

what better way to keep the population up for his oil wars?

we would not have the shit head in the white house now!

these supposedly insatiable (and I grant that is true in many cases) adolescent urges, it would be best if we could return to a preindustrial, agrarian society which dictated large families living off the land and reproducing themselves as soon as pubescently possible.

With Peak Oil looming, we may be able to do just that.

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm sure a spoiled brat like Chimpy NEVER had his way with any of the young lasses (or lads) at Andover, or Bendover, or wherever he sat around in his mid-teen years.

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he was young and irresponsible. Then he "saw the light" (seems to get you out of a lot of unpleasant situations...).

Those jobs teaching the ghetto & ministering to AIDS patients seem to have fallen through.

I foresee a nationwide "Abstinence Only" campaign, with the two Bush daughters leading the way.

I foresee a nationwide "Abstinence Only" campaign, with the two Bush daughters leading the way.

Will they wear matching burkas?

We have one high school in our town of about 30,000.

In the junior high-school class--twenty girls are pregnant.

Isn't that astounding!?

The entire junior class has about 350 people.

When I was in high school(late 1970's)--we had one girl become pregnant and it was shocking news.

What's happened between 1980 and 2005?

Must not be getting any himself.

Can you even imagine him and Laura? Him and anybody?


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I read a survey a few months back that stated young adults who had gone through DARE were more likely to use drugs, than those who didn't graduate from the program.

My mother is taking courses at school, and in her Sociology class they were discussing sex. She was blown away when many of the students in the class said that oral sex DOESN'T COUNT AS SEX. :wtf: Okay, I'm only 26, but that just blew my mind - it's ridiculous that kids think that... and just think this abstinence only education will make thoughts like this even more common.

I am so saddened by the dumbing down of this nation... :cry:

You KNOW they will blame Clinton for all that oral sex. lol

Sex is something that can get you pregnant--and without a LOT of work, oral sex can't do that.

Sex is something that causes you to lose your virginity--once again, oral sex doesn't do that.

Kids can give and receive oral sex two or three times a night, EVERY night, right up until the day they walk down the aisle without risking the wrath of their freeper-fundy parents.

Is oral sex sex? I think so, but there are good reasons to say it's not.

And as every philandering man knows, "blowjobs don't count."

...if the blowjob counts if it's HIS wife giving one to someone else.

I'm sure you'll get a different answer. :-)

Including information about contraception and safe sex just "waters down the message," he said.

Now if we could just water down the hormones, the Taliban would be satisfied.

Haven't tons of studies indicated that self-esteem has something to do with human behavior? If we don't respect teens enough to trust them with information, what impact will that have on them?

neither shouLd anyone eLse!

interfered with what Bush does or supports.

Idiots.

...practiced, Mr. Bush?

And will any Constitutional Amendment proposed by your enablers include a provision allowing for at least one abortion per citizen, Mr. Bush?

Just wanting to know if we commoners will have the same protections that you and Ms. Lowman had, Mr. Bush.

"Bush pushes for privatization of social security despite data"

"Bush pushes for drilling in ANWR despite data"

...it's a pattern.

It's akin to saying, "Well, we've made murder illegal and told people not to do it, so there's no need for a Police force any more."

It completely staggers me that this pResident's entire strategy relies on TEENAGERS of all people to do what they're told.

It's as if he's going, "Well, we told them not to have sex. If they don't listen then they can all get pregnant and rotten with STDs for all I care. Don't say we didn't warn them! They've only got themselves to blame!"

If you tell a kid not to do something they will still do it. Sure, explain to them all the good reasons that they shouldn't do it until they're ready, but then explain the mechanics to them and give them all the tools and information they need to do it safely.

"I don't want you riding motorcycles because it's too dangerous"

vs

"I don't want you riding motorcycles because it's too dangerous, but if you do I'll pay for professional lessons and you must wear a helmet."

Which kid is less likely to kill himself?

If you run out of condoms come and talk to me

I just wish she'd do it before 3 a.m.

That's a line from an old Bob Newhart show, and I think it explains the boys' attitude--"What do YOU know about sex? You're a grownup." Either that, or they already know the whole thing is a crock.



I was right--they DO think it's a crock.

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into girls, girls, girls because of 'peer pressure'. What? did Rumsfield come up with the assumptions for this?

"My kinds will never do that, it's the OTHER kids that made them do it" :-)

Typical ignorant adult projection.

were sexually inadequate (and sociopaths often are.. thus the frenzy of murder as an attempt at some sort of sexual relations) and when they came up with this didn't know about little boys and testosterone and not having much control over any of it at first... or the monsters want very much to create a generation of repressed. Repressed people may make better Republican voters...

The only purity classes should make it an option and discuss the benefits to 'minding your own business and devoting yourself to learning other important lessons as a teen and not loosing your self-esteem if you are a mild mannered girl'.

I cannot stand it when these monsters take something like sexuality and MAKE UP SCIENCE to suit the NORMS they want. The ones who really, really like the repressed people... are sociopaths or misogynists. They love the repressed and will fall for them and stalk them because ... I don't know why because... I guess because the repressed are so unassuming. I mean what do you want for your kids... a wise wife who can teach her kids how to behave with others and how to protect themselves or a dumb one? Which one is the best mother? I am not saying that the sexually active woman (before marriage)is a better mother.. I am saying there has to be a certain amount of life experience before you have kids.

If you purposely lie when you teach children then you are using propaganda on your kids... and teenage-hood should be a time of learning about all facets of yourself. Virginity pledges should be good only until you start looking seriously for a partner. Who wants to end up with a cross-dresser if you really cannot handle that? And many people can handle that if they love the person. Couples have to get along and they also have to know themselves before they have kids.

This is caveman stuff. This is the teachings that would make people into the 'wet dreams' of sexually inadequate sociopaths.

My friend and I both have daughters who are 2 yrs apart and about a year ago or so, we talked about the idea of holding a sexual education type seminar for girls in their relative age group. We're thinking we would do this when they're 10-12...around the time when they start their periods.

We'll extend the invitation to other families. The parents can either come and help or drop off their kids (whatever they're comfortable with). My hope is that it will be educational, fun, and extremely helpful. I see it as a slumber party/bonding experience where girls are safe to discuss sex and ask any question they can think of.

I hate the concept of abstinence education in schools, but I don't have to accept it as the only form of sexual education for my daughter and (hopefully) her friends.

A parent should always be the primary source of instruction when it comes to teaching children morality, manners, hygiene, safety, etc. Society would be much better off if every child had a mother as conscientious as you. Good luck to you.

We started discussions with my daughter when she was in first grade (because I was pregnant and she was curious). I was amazed at how much disinformation she had already acquired.

my mom started educating me about sexual reproduction at age 5 because I asked and I plan on being honest with my daughter when she starts to ask questions as well. As far as this seminar concept goes though, what age would you suggest? I agree that early is better, but I also wanted to hit on topics like periods, body changes such as breast development and healthy body image. Would these topics be lost on girls younger than 10?

Raise your hand if your peers tried to pressure you into having sex when you were a teen...

dumbass.

and with FANTASTIC results, no less!!!

"...In the past five years, President George W. Bush has more than doubled funding for such programs..."

"...Yet critics say there is no evidence these programs have any effect on reducing teen-age sexual activity..."

the programs aren't designed to reduce teen pregnancy- they're designed to get federal dollars into the hands and bank accounts of bush's friends.

will lead us all to hell!!!

What a crock! My older brother and my wife's sister are both RW fundie types. Each had a teenage daughter in private Christian schools and I tried to give them both the same advice, which they both rejected. I told them they had better make sure their daughters were properly instructed about safe sex, condoms etc. because there would be no guarantees that the girls would not engage in sex in spite of their religious instruction. Would not listen to me no matter what.

The result: My niece (brother's girl) pregnant out-of-wedlock at 16. My Wife's niece,pregnant out-of-wedlock at 18. Repuke family values at work. :eyes: