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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:12 AM
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Confessions rivet Iraqis, Fight for minds uses a TV show as battleground
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's wildly popular new television hit features a nightly parade of men, most with bruised faces, confessing to all kinds of terrorist and criminal acts.

''Terrorism in the Hands of Justice" is the Iraqi government's slick new propaganda tool; its televised confessions, police say, aim to discredit the armed resistance and advertise the government's success at cracking down on gangs.
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Iraqi government officials brag that the show has ruined the image of jihad, or holy war, in the country, exposing the resistance as a racket of street criminals and thugs who attack Americans and Iraqi security forces for pay.

It also raises a host of questions about Iraq's treatment of the suspects and the reliability of their confessions.

The bruised, swollen faces and hunched shoulders of many of the suspects suggest they have been beaten or tortured. The neat confessions of terrorist attacks at times fit together so seamlessly as to seem implausible. And the suspects are presented to the public without any legal process to protect them, presumed guilty, with no word about rule of law as a weapon in the arsenal against terrorism. US officials have sidestepped questions about the program airing on Iraqiya, a network still run by an American contractor hired by US occupation officials nearly a year ago........MORE.......

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/03/18/confessions_rivet_iraqis/
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:14 AM
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1. coming to a TV station near you....
It is only a matter of time.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:21 AM
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4. "Liberal Justice" only on FOX.
FOX Announcer: "With your host Alberto Gonzales. This weeks special guest inquisitor Lindy England. Lets begin with the cattle prod round."
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:17 AM
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2. somehow I would suspect
this type of program might have a tendency to backfire.

Isn't it more like advertising the abuses taking place and how under torture, people will say anything to make it stop?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:18 AM
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3. the world is fucking mad
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:29 AM
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5. Think they sell laundry soap on commercial breaks?
"...Gets out stains. Even blood!"

Boosh said ME democracy wouldn't look like ours. He *didn't* say how much it would look like Saddam's.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:30 AM
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6. Another war crime to add to the list
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 10:31 AM by jmcgowanjm
And a list is being kept.

``What will happen after the OPEC meeting is that they will all
be producing at capacity,'' said Kenneth Deffeyes,
professor emeritus of petroleum geology at Princeton
University.

But Washington will not retreat: the civilian militarists
have invested all their ideological beliefs in the US as
an invincible, unipolar power; the Pentagon-Zionists
are committed to establishing unchallenged Israeli power in
the region even if it means weakening the US Empire in the
rest of the world. The political class (Democrats
and Republicans) and most generals believe that a
withdrawal – a defeat – will encourage other countries
to challenge US world supremacy. The logic of Washington
for 2005 is that the War must continue, victory must be
secured – no matter what the cost in human lives, Iraqi or
US. The treasury and the budget is hostage to the Logic of
War: to defend the image of imperial invincibility, the empire
will be brought to its
knees.

http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=9395



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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:31 AM
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7. 1984: World Tour
Now on tour in Iraq, performances daily.
Fugging Proles. *shakes fist* Damn you Goldstein!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:33 AM
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8. Um...there WAS no armed resistance until the U.S. troops showed up
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 11:33 AM by rocknation
Remember?

I daresay this show is "wildly popular" with the Iraqis for the wrong reason.

:headbang:
rocknation
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:35 AM
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9. Wildly popular?
Why do I doubt that that description of this obvious propaganda-fest is utterly unrelated to reality? The Iraqis have proven highly resistant to even watching official stations. If the US hasn't managed to cut off satellite reception of the Arab channels, there's no way anybody outside the quislings is watching this crap.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:05 AM
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10. Right, and besides
How are they going to watch it if the power's off?
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:24 AM
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11. Wasn't there a tool like this in the novel 1984
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 11:27 AM by seasat
Didn't they torture the central character in the story with rats until he confessed and betrayed his lover? They then broadcast the confession.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:08 PM
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12. bingo
2+2=5 Hahahaaa-he... wait, that's nut funny!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:45 PM
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15. Torture doesn't even provide reliable information
The people on this show are adding pedophilia and homosexuality in with their confessions. One even confessed to killing people who are still alive.

What chaos the bushies have unleashed upon the world -not new, but firmly stamped now with "USA".
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:16 PM
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13. Remember this? Democracy Now's interview with Don North
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/14/1555223

U.S. Journalist Quits Pentagon Iraqi Media Project Calling it U.S. Propaganda

The U.S. has awarded a $96 million contract to a U.S. producer of communications equipment, Harris Corp., to create a U.S.-funded national media network in Iraq.
According to the head of Harris Corp, the Iraqi Media Network will have 30 TV and radio transmitters, three broadcast studios, and 12 bureaus around Iraq.

After U.S.-led troops ousted Saddam Hussein's regime in April, the state-run broadcasters were seized. Since then, they have been run by a U.S. defense contractor, Science Applications International Corporation.
....
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:29 PM
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14. If Bush/Murdoch think they are winning in Iraq- Congratulations!!
Looks like the strike on US deaths in February is real, and i will have to apoligize to the US Democrat's through this forum. I ask this forum to wait until i can get an evening with a person who has fought in Fallujah and other battlegrounds in Iraq before i do make my apology. I'm not comfortable with this source information. I'd prefer to wait for a real soldier's story.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:49 PM
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16. Sounds like desperate stupidity.
I wonder if Saddam had a show like this, where he paraded "confessions" from his opponents. Once more Bush emulates the things he claims to be against (I say Bush, since nothing happens in "official" Iraq that the BFEE doesn't like).
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:39 AM
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17. kick to combine
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:40 AM
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18. Iraqi "justice"by television
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 10:40 AM by zanne
Last Updated: Saturday, 19 March, 2005, 14:12 GMT

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Iraqi 'justice' by television
By Jim Muir BBC News, Baghdad



'Self-confessed' insurgents are portrayed as morally bankrupt
Looking cowed and frightened, a young man, identified by his full name and sitting directly in front of the camera, is being bullied and browbeaten by an interrogator who remains out of the picture.
I don't know if I posted this the right way. I just read this article on the BBC website. Looks like we're teaching the Iraqis our version of journalism.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 10:58 AM
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19. with Fox being broadcasted to the troops and the media being run by
the US--it is a wonder anything of importance at all gets out (thank goodness for some bloggers like Friske)
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