CNN: Jessica Lunsford killed by John Couey

Breaking now on CNN

On Edit: Couey admits to abducting and killing Jessica, as per Sheriff

http://www.cnn.com/

that, although he might have been suspected, he did not kill his daughter. I cannot imagine the horror of losing a child in this way.

The damn f*cking BASTARD!!!!

It's also the LBN rules ...

--p!

:cry:

May her little precious body rest in peace.

Left of cool

my memory is not good but I remember this happening twice or 3 times in 2004 !.....

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http://www.wesh.com/news/4299547/detail.html

Dawsy said Couey confessed after failing an FBI lie-detector test, WESH NewsChannel 2 reported.

The sheriff said his detectives had been interviewing Couey for two days, since he was picked up walking along the side of an Augusta, Ga. road.

"The FBI sent their polygrapher up there that did the polygraphs on the family members. John Couey was polygraphed today. At the end of the test, he said, 'You don't have to tell me the results. I already know what they are,'" Dawsy said.

The sheriff said the investigators went back into the room and Couey apologized for "wasting their time."

"John Couey admitted to abducting Jessica and subsequently taking her life," a visibly shaken Dawsy said.

At this point I try to be hopeful, but usually I just can't be too optimistic.

All of our sympathies are with this family.

and adding your thoughts.

As a mother, my heart goes out to this poor family that has had an innocent child taken from them.

Sad, sad news.

- Zgrrl

Now. Why didn't the neighborhood know there was a child molester living in the area? We are having serious issues with this in Colorado. The information doesn't seem to be readily available. And this isn't just a NIMBY issue. It's about protecting vulnerable populations from potential predators.

He wasn't living at the address he had to provide when registering as a sex offender. This family had no way of knowing this bastard was right across the street.

I don't know what resources are available to do periodic checks that the addresses given are indeed where these creeps are, but some checks need to be done.

you have to assume these sick f***s are everywhere and adjust life accordingly

is stop locking-up everyone for everything and concentrate on keeping the real sick fvcks where they belong. ...in prison.

Jay

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We shouldn't have nonviolent offenders locked up while letting people with long criminal histories that include sex crimes go free. Sex crimes and rapists don't get long enough sentences, most of them should get life long before something like this happens. It's part of not valuing women and children.

In CA the sentence for rape is 3 to 9 years.

:cry:

I think people that abuse children are not worth saving.........he confessed.........I say no trial............go directly to the chair!

The news people asked a resident, "What do you think they should do?"

His calm answer was, "The police should just drop him off in the middle of town, and leave for half an hour".

I hate to condone violence, but this was one of the best answers I've ever heard.

her dad must be in shock, i feel so bad for him.

confessions are notoriously unreliable

Tell that to her family.

you would advocate the death penalty without a trial?

All kinds. Sad.

VERY sad

And I will show him hell.

That is true, you do have a point. Of course, I'd never support hauling somebody off to the chair under any circumstance, let alone without a trial.

But posts like those certainly shine a light on why Republicans win.

...and let him bleed out. (It's the only way to be sure)

I like the direction you are going, but I am unsure this would be sufficient punishment for such a evil person. Why was this guy on the street given his record?

I find it hard to accept that there are people that can do shit like this. I would GLADLY put a bullet in his head. And sleep like a baby that night.

Or do the blowtorch and a pair of pliers thing, but I think I would just be too impatient to see the fucker dead.

Honestly, I don't want to live in a world with child molestors and I don't want to live in a world with people who can gleefully put bullets in anybody's head or advocate torture of anybody.

I honestly believe you're as sick as he is.

I have a 10 year old girl. I just can't imagine what that father must feel right now. The bitch that killed that little girl, would pray for death when I got finished with him.

We've got a loud mouthed bully in the white house. We already know what he did when it was his time to face danger, he ran. Most loud mouthed bullies do. That's why they need guns and death penalties and all that tough talk, they're too chicken shit to face any danger themselves.

We would have been leaps and bounds ahead with a sane prison system decades ago. People like you circumvented it. Maybe some day this country will look across the pond and see that others are living much more peacefully than we are and that maybe they've got the answers.

False bravado isn't part of it.

The struggle never ends...but...

Civilization ends when the electricity turns off....the veneer falls away and all that is left is...chaos.

That's true. Without electricity and indoor plumbing, we'd be the same as the cavemen.

Take a bow.

Flem.

Sometimes life just slaps you in the face...

...and you slap back...with superior firepower.

Or you die a weakling...cowering under the covers.

Life is not fair.

Only the strong survive.

Oh wait...wrong Earth. That was 100 years ago.

I too have a daughter.

None the less, have the trial, put the facts into the public record, back up the confession with forensic evidence, then, if there is no doubt, send him to death row. And do it quickly.

Of course, I my gut reaction (along with many on this thread) is to indulge in a bit of sadism to vent rage at this creature for his actions, but such indugence is childish fantasy that has no place in our legal system.

Why bury it? If you can't say what you feel you might as well have tree sap for blood.

(Not that I have anything against trees)

..say what your gut tells you, and let clearer thinking reign. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Not saying we should go on witchhunts or anything.... but...

Child molestation/murder = sick

Wanting to kill a child rapist-murderer = not sick

Heyo

I trying to start a war here...

I trying to start a war here...

I'll help...

F*** all ya'll then!.. (jerks)

:hi:

:evilgrin:

Heyo

:hurts:

(Don't mind me - I'm harmless)

Maybe I just spent too many nights alone, in the microbiology lab...

"Sick," indeed, Baclava.

If you like child rapists and killers you won't like my neighborhood.

LOVE rapists and murderers. Your arguments are cheap and insulting.

Today's society is more worried about the way teens dress than the scum they randomly release from prison.

but vigilante justice is NOT the answer

But...still, society crumbles...

right now I feel like I could kill that crud with my bare hands

That poor, poor family. That poor precious child, I can only imagine in abject horror what her final moments were like.

I have a 9 yr old son. He's so innocent and full of joy and life. This is devastating.

I'd like to think I'm pretty damn liberal, but I would support forced castration and life incarceration with no possibility of parole for repeated sex offenders, whether they murder their victims or not.

I support that too. I don't find any need to be sicker than the criminal, lock them up and keep them away from our children. We don't have to be any more vengeful than that.

but I have had my Grandfather murdered, an 86 year old man who was taking the table scraps to the new dog of the little boy next door because they had not yet gotten dog food (was the first day). The killer dragged my grandfather into his own back yard and stabbed him 11 times in the back. I can not justify feeding that piece of garbage for the rest of his life.

It is bad enough that because my grandfather lived 6 days on life support, it was determined he was old and did not die due to the stabbing and the guy got 6 months for assault.

Rehabilitate those that can be. Murderers and Rapist and Child Molesters can not be rehabilitated and should not be wards of the state for life.

With regard to the state of the human condition and specifically the Democratic Party in the USA ... with deep remorse, I rest my case.

:grouphug:

and it is true that as a left leaning centrist, it is easy for me to come under fire in here and I willingly accept that. However, I can not accept that because I do not oppose capital punishment, I am a freeper-minded maniac. We, as humans, are a composite of our experiences. There are few people who are more environmentally aware then I am. I believe in a womans right to choose as absolute even if I may not agree with that choice. I think teachers should make $100,000 a year.

If we as a party can not have intellectual discussions and politely agree to disagree on issues within our own ranks, then, for different reasons, it seems we do agree that the party is doomed.

so open and honest. I may feel exactly as you if I had experienced the same challenges and tragedies. Therefore, please know that I try very hard not to judge anyone save for the belief that holding on to hatred is very unhealthy. The best example is Mark Klaus. I believe him to be very emotionally damaged and going around the country spewing constant venom is not good therapy for his grieving process.

No you're right IMO about the Democratic Party. I had to cheer lead myself into voting for Bill Clinton twice, but I must resolve within myself that the Democratic Party has left me.

I will most likely vote for Green Party candidates in the future. The Democratic Party is fast becoming a more gentle extension of the Republican Party. Yes, "Republican Lite" is a very apt term for the future candidates being groomed for national office.

Thanks again for the civil discussion. We are different people politically but "respectful debate" is appreciated. :-)

You seem a well-spoken, thoughtful person and that is remarkably refreshing so I have enjoyed this as well. I would only like to say one thing on your Green Party vote.

Extreme candidates, right or left, do not get enough support to be viable. With the state of American Politics, it is unlikely we will live to see a 3rd party candidate win, so my question to you is simple. Wouldn't "Republican Lite" be better then "Republican Dark"?

It must be the testosterone. Can you not see the irony in your statements. Damn! Some of you men are as scary as the Rabid, gun toting' Right Wing Freepers.

Do you feel more self-righteous? Do you honestly think that by posturing and threatening to "cut off his balls" and "castrate him" and "let him bleed out" ... That by proudly declaring the foregoing that you are GAINING RESPECT?

That's just as sick as freeper-think.

I say, "let him live a long life in solitary confinement ... I do not have the right to kill even despicable people."

All I can do is pray that I would have the "moral courage" to do what is right - push for life in prison, should a loved one be murdered. Why? Because that is what my higher power (Jesus) would wish for me to do.

Gee, I think a couple of you men have truly freaked me out - unbelievably self-righteous rhetoric (not unlike the religious right wing radicals) and now I'm left NUMB after reading the above.

<regrouping> ;)

And if you want to fuck little kids, you have no place in our society and should be locked up for life.

And yes, I think that *repeated* sex offenders should be castrated. For the protection of other inmates, but also for the off chance that they escape. I'd rather a GUILTY SICK PERSON deal with losing his genitals than a 5 year old be RAPED.

And I don't think that anyone, including those that would kill him while smiling, are saying that because they want respect. It's an emotional reaction to a disturbing incident. It happens. We're all human. I wouldn't own a gun if someone payed me, but if push came to shove I'd protect my own. I think we all feel that way.

beyond this one example.

I'm also a mother and, just perhaps, if my child was harmed or killed I'd be the loudest to express outrage and retribution through castration and execution.

Yes, I'm not ruling that out if a loved one were to be horribly tortured and murdered.

HOWEVER, although understandable, it would NOT make these emotions "Morally Correct."

That's what being a true Pro-life person means ... or at least praying for strength and consistency even if it hits close to home.

That's being true to your "Pro Life" faith = following the *difficult* morally correct decisions as well as (for some) easier ones of against abortion.

I feel your rage and I'm sorry that your are seemingly emotionally tortured by such deep seated feelings of hate.

I genuinely hope you are able to resolve these underlying issues within yourself.

Are you a psychic friend?

Yes, I have rage when a child is ripped from her family and brutally raped and murdered. If you don't feel any rage over that, I don't think I'm the one with a problem.

However --

I'm not the one saying I'd kill him. Instinctively, if someone did this to my child of course I'd try to kill him myself, be damned the consequences. However, I can be somewhat rational in this situation. And yes, I stand by my statement that repeated sex offenders should be castrated. Joe Schmo rapes a 14 yr old girl, 8 yr old boy and finally rapes and murders a 3 yr old girl. And you think he needs his genitals because... why?

This is about safety for others, not punishment for the rapist. A repeated offender obviously can't control himself.

even anger and rage over the actions of a sick sick person who should have been locked up long before.

Nope, I'm not psychic, just observant.

Sincere best wishes, EP

I am so sick of hearing this here. this is a freaking message board and people can say what they feel within the rules.

there is a vast amount of real estate between emotions and behavior, and if you can't understand this you have no right to call yourself a grown-up.


so the fuck what if people come up with all these gory rememdies of the tops of their heads, so fucking what???

I bet no one here has gotten in a car and headed to Augusta yet, it's called blowing off steam.

If our society had a more healthy attitude toward expression of emotion we'd probably have one hell of alot less crime.

The feeling happens, then the thought, then the behavior. Unless you are a grown-up and you know you don't have to act on the feeling.

It is so repulsive to me to hear otherwise intelligent people shame normal sane people for their expressed revulsion at the death of a child, and their little half-assed revenge fantasies.

If you all are really that concerned, there is plenty of REAL bad behavior out there in society you can occupy yourselves with besides defending child killers, since you obviously don't have enough to do.

but just in case, perhaps if you use FUCK in one more sentence I'll cross the path into enlightenment. <tease!>

You have a point. I apologize if I came across to some as "preachy." However, I don't think "blowing off steam" this way is healthy or productive. Perhaps that is just MY personal problem. ;)

But when "You're right, you're right." This is just a f**king message board. :hippie:

We are born of the primordial slime...and we will fight our way back to the bottom of the foodchain.

(it may take a few million years, though)

No further emphasis is needed. :(

You can't take emotion out of pain and suffering.

(I have no illusion that society will ever survive long enough to reach nirvana...we will sucuumb long before enlightenment)

no freaking clue where their sex offenders and foster kids are. This guy was a tragedy waiting to happen:

"Couey's record raised particular concern because his more than three-decade-long criminal history, spanning 24 arrests, including burglary, carrying a concealed weapon, indecent exposure, disorderly conduct, larceny and drug charges.

Couey pleaded guilty to 1991 felony charges of sex offense against a child, fondling a child under 16, and lewd and lascivious conduct in Kissimmee, Florida. He was convicted of indecent exposure in 1987, according to records from the sheriff's office.

During a 1978 burglary for which he was convicted, Couey was accused of grabbing a girl in her bedroom, placing his hand over her mouth and kissing her, Dawsy said."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/18/missing.girl/index.html

Don't these fellows have parole officers?? In NYC, parole officers visit their 'charges' at their places of residence & employment.

As far as I'm concerned, men convicted of child sexual assault, especially if there is DNA evidence should remain incarcerated for life, unless they accept physical castration, and monitoring to make sure that they do not use testosterone supplements. The recidivism rates for these offenders is so high that the public good demands that they be separated from society, period.

For those of you who are not from the NY/NJ area, these 'Megan Laws' which require notice to a community when a sex offender moves in to a neighborhood, come from a case in NJ where a young girl was assaulted and killed by a released sex offender living in a house across the street from her. IIRC, he was living in that house with 2 other convicted sex offenders, in a bedroom community with lots of families. Go figure.

Apparently he used it as an opportunity to fake some grief for the police, when he knew he was sunk.

Too bad he was shown on camera in a GA bar by a local station doing a story on public smoking, just before he was arrested.

He was sitting there shooting the shit and laughing it up, smoking his cig, happier than a lark. The have several minutes of footage of the interview with him apparently, as one of the smokers victimized by limits on smoking in public. Coincidences like this renew my faith.

..and she was so loved.

I believed her father completely. He was solid.

I grieve for this family and I hope they are surrounded by friends, family and others who can help them through this tragic time.

It's so sad for this precious angel.

I didn't hold out much hope that she would be found alive, but I'm still grief-stricken. We know many of the Sheriff's dept. staff who have been working so hard to find her.

What a tragedy. I am, in general, against the death penalty. But I can't think of a punishment severe enough for a crime like this against a child.

I'll be holding my boys close tonight. RIP, sweet Jessica O8)

What a sad ending to a beautiful life.

And we as a nation are KILLING those with potential beautiful lives every day in Iraq.

No, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to this sweet child who's life was ended too soon, nor dismissive of the terrible crime the perpetrator committed.

My only point is that those of us democratic folks who are profoundly outraged and wishing for retribution through torture and execution, stop playing *fair* in politics also.

When we degrade into hatred then we are no better than the right wing religious fanatical like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Roberson.

Let's pull out all the stops and play dirty, because dear fellow liberals, we're every bit the ANIMALS that we accuse the RW Freepers of being. :P

Damn! IMHO with fellow democrats who tout castration and the death penalty, no wonder our once great nation is on the road to destruction.

Is this anther one of those media blockbusters that we should all be concerned about?

Because I don't pay attention to the whore media anymore.

another sex-offender that never should have been released was living across the street from her, and broke into her house and abducted her and killed her. He was registered at another residence, and the family did not know he was so close.

You can be the police would manage to get a confession and execution in almost every case. They probably wouldn't get the guilty party very often, though.

We Floridians have followed this case daily. Even though I knew the odds, I hoped for the best. My sympathy to the family and may Jessica rest in peace.