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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:27 AM
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U.S. Using Anti-Terror War to Gain World Oil Reserves— Soviet Intelligence
U.S. Using Anti-Terror War to Gain World Oil Reserves — Soviet Intelligence Chief
Created: 21.03.2005 14:05 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:05 MSK, 2 hours 18 minutes ago


MosNews


On the pretext of fighting international terrorism the United States is trying to establish control over the world’s richest oil reserves, Leonid Shebarshin, ex-chief of the Soviet Foreign Intelligence Service, who heads the Russian National Economic Security Service consulting company, said in an interview for the Vremya Novostei newspaper.

Using the anti-terrorist cause as a cover the United States has occupied Afghanistan, Iraq and will soon move to impose their “democratic order” on the Greater Middle East, Shebarshin said. “The U.S. has usurped the right to attack any part of the globe on the pretext of fighting the terrorist threat,” Shebarshin said.

Referring to his meeting with an unnamed al-Qaeda expert at the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization in the U.S., Shebarshin said: “We have agreed that is not a group but a notion.”

snip

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/21/shebarsh.shtml

Of course it's about oil.... and the world knows this that's why every country is cutting deals with others...and leaving the US out.
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raifield Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:32 AM
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1.  “We have agreed that is not a group but a notion.”
I always thought this too, on the logic that if a terrorist group had the resources and gung-ho to smash planes into buildings, why haven't they done anything since then?

They could if they wanted to, it's pitifully easy. An RPG fired at, say, a liquid natural gas tanker would probably vaporize a city block. They could cut rail lines without fear of anyone ever catching them, ship explosive cargo crates, etc.

It's just so easy that if they really existed as * wants us to believe, they would have done a lot more already.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:53 AM
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4. of course they could have done more..if they were real...911 was
so that we can get into Afghan and Iraq.....for oil and and oilice presence in the middle east
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:49 AM
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2. nice to see soviet intel is intelligent.
this ranks as a "no, duh! ya think?" moment.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:10 AM
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11. why is it not a no duh thing for most of our country.
or have we as a whole just accepted the policy? We want our SUVs and if we have to kill several hundred thousand brown people in the process then it's ok because we've deluded ourselves in the belief of the war on terror. Group think at its worst. do any of shrub's supporters even entertain the thought that the end game of this imperialism is someone eventually exploding several (maybe hundreds) of nukes on our soil? China and Russia will not allow us to take control of the world's oil supplies. Is it really worth the end of all things? We need to wake up.
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Neverarepublican Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:21 AM
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14. Some Americans know
it's true, and won't admit it because they are selfish evil bastards.
Some are truly just plain stupid. Some of the selfish evil bastards just act plain stupid.
Those are the most sinister of the lot. We really have a *ucked up country.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:14 PM
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28. true -eom
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:42 AM
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20. (to your first question) I have no idea? willful ignorance?
I mean, even a six year old can connect the dots: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, syria, Venezuela...gee, what do they ALL have in common?
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:52 AM
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3. Drilling in the pristine Arctic is about oil too..and I'm sure..
that the Russians are aware of this since they border the Arctic..
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:59 AM
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5. This is pointing out the obvious
However what is not being stated is that the Russia\China alliance is not going to permit this. But, seeing how at the core of the neocons philosophy is the idea of a winnable nuclear war, they do not see this as a problem.

However, Americans may want to start thinking about investment in personal underground shelters. Way, way, underground.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:01 AM
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7. Think I'd rather die fast than slow. Ever seen On The Beach?
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:41 AM
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19. I read the book as a teen.
.
.
.

It is a powerful book,

as were most of the books by Nevil Chute (or Shute - I furget)

I lived with a sense of impending disaster for decades after that, especially since I read it just shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis which happened while I was in Grade 8.

Bush and the US's preemptive wars have renewed that sense of impending global disaster in a "this COULD happen - SOON" sort of way

No Highway( by Nevil) is a good book too, about pieces falling off of planes and the gov't and manufacturers won't listen

Isn't AirBus losing pieces (tail rudders) lately ??

hmmm

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:10 AM
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24. Read The Book, Saw The Movie Not For Those Prone To Depression
Waiting for the end to come, knowing it is the end of human history.

Only thing worse would be being a fundy wondering why they have not been raptured as the radiation line moves closer.

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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:54 PM
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32. There is something to be said for
that in the event of a full blown nuclear exchange, being at ground zero is the best place to be.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:05 AM
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9. yes, you are right
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:00 AM
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6. Ya think?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:04 AM
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8. Well at least the PNAC doctrine brings loads of cheap energy to America
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:09 AM
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10. Wtf? They are just now discovering the PNAC's
agenda??? pretty poor intelligence.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:12 AM
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12. what the neo cons forget to tell their supporters
is that the nuclear war is only winnable for the thousand or so special people that will get to use the good fallout shelters. The rest of us will be feeding on the flesh of our friends to survive.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:12 AM
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13. That's a major no-duh.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:25 AM
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15. if it's a "duh"...................wtf is our media sharing any "news".....
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:28 AM
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16. Sadly not true though
... for the majority of Americans.

The good ol' 51% would be incapable of appreciating quite how obvious
and well-known the original post is. They are the people who neither
see nor want to see the truth.

Still, every little bit of exposure that the truth gets is a chance
for someone to awaken from their isolation.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:02 AM
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17. Gee whiz, Leonid...
What was your first clue?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:39 AM
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18. Mosnews is anything but careful about their headlines.
He retired in 1991. He was in charge of one of the divisions of the KGB briefly before he retired, his training is in external "surveillance" and his specialty is SW Asia: he's served in Pakistan, in India in the 1970s, and from 1979-83 in Iran. He did stints as an analyst before being called back to Moscow in 1983, and then proceeded from analyst to #2 in the "first chief directorate" of the KGB, then to head it.

The KGB had variously 8-16 "chief directorates" (I assume there's a standard translation for the phrase, but I've never seen it in English). The first was in charge of espionage abroad.

Bigshot, but low enough on the food chain that we'd never see him if he were in the CIA.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:00 AM
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21. Gee, Who'da Thunk It
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:07 AM
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22. The photo from the article-- dramatic


Iraqis watch an oil fire burn / Photo: Reuters
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:09 PM
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25. this happens almost EVERYDAY in Iraq...
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 12:09 PM by leftchick
their plan for getting the oil isn't exactly going well.

Check out Feb. 2005 alone....

199. February 2 - attack on oil pipeline connecting Bayji refinery to Daura refinery. The attack took place near Samarra.
200. Fabruary 5 - attack on a cluster of eight pipelines west of Samarra connecting the Bayji and Daura refineries.
201. February 6 - attack on pipeline carrying crude oil from Kirkuk to Bayji.
202. February 9 - attack on a gas pipeline before dawn in Fatha, about 15 miles north of Bayji.
203. February 9 - rocket attack on a pipeline linking Kirkuk to Bayji.
204. February 13 - 10:00pm attack on oil pipeline at the al-Dibbis oil field 31 miles north of Kirkuk.
205. February 14 - another attack on oil pipeline at al-Dibbis.
206. February 16 - attack on pipeline carrying crude from Kirkuk to Bayji near Fatha.
207. February 16 - attack on pipeline carrying crude from Kirkuk to Daura refinery.
208. February 16 - another attack on pipeline near Fatha.
209. February 16 - attack on pipeline in the Bajwan area, northwest of Kirkuk.
210. February 16 - gunmen killed Colonel Ibrahim Ahmed in charge of pipeline security. The killing took place at Ajeel west of Kirkuk.
211. February 25 - late night attack on a pipeline connecting the Dibbis oil fields with Kirkuk.


http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:30 PM
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26. Wow-- Thanks for the link
I didn't realize that there were so many incidents. Pipelines are generally very vulnerable so I should have guessed.

I've bookmarked the site-- very informative and comprehensive, unlike our lazy and complicit MSM.
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proud_dem Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:23 PM
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29. For those of you ...
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:47 PM by proud_dem
that think that bush isn't secretly getting any oil out of Iraq and stock piling it somewhere (like Saudia Arabia) are under estimating what the oil companies are capable of, I am certain they are directional drilling and sucking the oil out of Iraq from the border of Kuwait.
Here is a map that shows how close one of Iraq's biggest oil field is from the Kuwait border




Advancements in directional or horizontal drilling techniques, which allow increased access to potential reserves, have had a significant impact on drilling capabilities. Drilling begins vertically, but the drill bit can be turned so drilling can continue at an angle of up to 90 degrees. This technique extends the reach, enabling a drill to reach separate pockets of oil or gas.


BTW this technique is widely used in Texas and Oklahoma where oil companies will purchase oil rights from a land owner and suck all their neighbors dry from right under them for free.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:55 PM
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33. My what a big post you have!
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proud_dem Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:06 PM
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34. laughs, I know .. when I posted the link to the map .....
I didn't know the whole darn map was going to show up in the post !


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:09 PM
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35. here is a smaller map
from the bottom of the link upthread



you can have it. yours is taking up a LOT of space!

:)
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proud_dem Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:28 PM
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36. That map doesn't show the oil fields ..but thanks anyway. eom
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:40 AM
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38. if it could be proven...... the US would be in deep shit
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:08 AM
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23. Bingo!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:10 PM
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27. Kick!
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:46 PM
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30. DOH!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:53 PM
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31. Shebarshin said last week bin Laden is still working for the CIA.
From my blog:

The Russian news agency Novosti has conducted an interview with Leonid Shebarshin, who served as the KGB's "chief of foreign spying" in the 1980s, and was named acting KGB chairman after the failed coup of 1991. (A French translation of the interview may be accessed here; I've yet to find it in English.)

Shebarshin makes three points which stand out: Iran will be the next target; "international terrorism" is a convenient fiction, and Osama bin Laden "is still today an agent of the CIA."

Did you get that? The former acting chairman of the KGB says bin Laden is still working for the United States. Of course, we'd be foolish to take a professional spy's word for anything. But, and again of course, we don't need to. We have our eyes, and our brains, and our guts. We've had for more than three years the reports that bin Laden was treated at the American hospital in Dubai the summer of 2001, and there met with the CIA station chief and others. What we've done with it, how we've let that and much else inform our judgement of the "War on Terror" narrative, has been our business. Our responsibility.

Besides, you can't tell people this stuff. Everyone needs to intuit for themselves just how wrong things have become. Or not. But knowing that something has gone horribly wrong with America is also about self-knowledge, particularly for Americans. Because the cognitive dissonance between the national myths and the imperial reality is threatening to become a serious issue of mental health.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:38 AM
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37. kick
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