Blast rocks Ford plant (Dearborn, MI), fatalities reported - link

10:15am 03/21/05 EXPLOSION REPORTED AT FORD MOTOR'S ROUGE PLANT-MSNBC

10:16am 03/21/05 FORD'S ROUGE PLANT IN DEARBORN IS HOME TO F-150 TRUCK

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=38432.4315092824-833399449&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- An explosion rocked the Ford Motor Co. (F) Rouge plant in Dearborn, Mich., early Monday, resulting in some fatalities, MSNBC reported. The recently renovated Rouge plant assembles the F-150 pickup, one of the Ford's best selling products. Ford officials were not immediately available to comment on the accident or its scope.


(updated to add link)

I hate those fucking trucks almost as much as
the assholes who drive them.
BHN

Shouldn't have one because you hate them? I'm not going to excuse behemoth SUVs (because many times the owner doesn't really need one), but a lot of people do use pickup trucks around here for things other than just taking Jimmy to the ballgame, like it or not.

Sorry that doesn't go along with your philosophy that everyone should haul lumber and their lawn/farm equipment in a Geo.

(and no I don't own a truck)

Our freeways are packed with assholes
who use their monster trucks like weapons in traffic.
Not a single one is being used to haul lumber
in my area. They are used to project arrogant egos
in traffic. Period.
If someone needs a truck to make their living-
that is fine. Maybe ONE in fifty in LA is actually
owned by a plummer or workman who needs a truck.
BHN

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I NEVER said ANYthing about the people who were
killed, so stop assuming that I don't care about them.
BHN

It is horrible that people were killed- especially
since they were just trying to make a living
by working for a corporation who did not give a
shit about their safety.
Never once did I say "Oh I don't care about the
people who were killed." Of COURSE I do.
That was not the point of my post.
My point is - I HATE those fucking trucks.
Do not try to attach any other meaning
to my opinion of the trucks. It simply is not there.
BHN

"Isn't that too perfect."

That what? There was an explosion at the factory? How is that perfect? Assuming no one was hurt or killed, would it be perfect if production had to shut down for weeks to get the plant back in shape again? Perfect that people would have to sit idle until it was ready again?

Think about the consequences of your words and thoughts. Take it through to the logical conclusion. Nice avatar, for crying out loud.

Your brain is stuck in one mode of perception.
You are insisting I implied something I did not.
Carry on.
BHN

Seems in the rest of your posts you're all about hating the trucks and those who drive them. So for you to say "isn't that too perfect" made it look like an explosion at the plant that makes things you hate was just the icing on the cake. Maybe you could explain the other way of reading that for some of us here, so we get it.

This discussion is getting REALLY tiresome.

BHN

It's not hard to admit your wording wasn't the best. Relabeling it sarcasm after the fact doesn't help anybody.

and it is the wise person who can
discern when to give up trying.

BHN

...run landscaping businesses, or some other business that requires that much power.

College freshmen, on the other hand, have no need for such a vehicle.

NEED is one thing- WANT is another animal entirely, and a lot of the people driving these huge monsters are only satisfying a want, not a need.

You know this on sight by examining the bed of the truck. Pristine? No *need* for the vehicle. Now, if it has one of those spray-in indestructible liners in the bed, you know it's used, and used heavily enough to need the extra protection. I should add, while I'm driving, I often have the impression that the largest of these truck models really ought to be considered commercial vehicles requiring a CDL. That won't happen, but it sure seems like a good idea when I'm in my little Mazda sportscar and I glance at my rearview mirror only to look down the maw of a monster...

The fuckers who drive them here are simply
acting out the unique brand of 'murikkkan narcissism.
They don't NEED their stupid truck, they WANT to
bully other people on the road.
And yes, they are usually so pristine you could
use the side of them to put on your make up.
BHN

BIG tires with shiny chrome wheels and a paintjob that you know is NEVER subjected to any objects other than air molecules.

I often wondered if they did haul anything, it would be small blocks of foam rubber...

All you have to do is watch a weekend of sports on the TeeVee, then you'll understand why there are so many of these on the road.

there are WAAY too many, and not for the purpose for which they are designed. They are always crowding me off the road, taking two parking spaces and blocking my view of traffic.

When I see a bright, shiny super-sized pickup running me off the road, I can't help but think, "Ah, someone making up for their small penis."

That's what I say too!
My daughter and I actually have a song
that we made up about that!
BHN

that has an F-150 monster truck. Wheels about 5 feet tall. My wife and I call him "Mr. Is-It-In-Yet" for the obvious over-compensation.

people can drive according to there needs. That way we can avoid madmax scenerios when the oil starts running out.

and, even then, they do bupkis (sp?) when it comes to spring and winter damage. I should know about bad roads; I'm from MI, pothole capital of the continent....

Tightening the weight restriction laws might force automakers to start designing small, lighter, more fuel efficient vehicles.

Well, I can dream, anyway....

Let the government legislate all of our needs!

to have weight restrictions on many roads because our roads are so bad. We're talking about vehicles whose weight could damage property paid for by taxpayer dollars, and I'd say that's something that deserves to be regulated.

As the vehicles on our roads get heavier and heavier, a) they use more and more gas and b) they slowly chew up the roads I drive on. To me and my broken-by-a-pothole stabilizer, it's worthy of regulation.

Where I live those weight regulations are in place, in particular seasonal restrictions. I'm simply floating the idea that maybe they should be updated to reflect the current trends in the vehicular market.

They tear up the roads and then they tax us to fix them.

I always had little trucks, but I was killing myself making trips to buy hay, cause I could only get around 25 bales on my S10. The F150 is wonderful. However only when my 4 cyl went belly up did I ever drive it to work, and then I got another 4 cyl right away cause it costs so much in gas to drive it as long as my commute is.

I think I got 170,000 on it. I have replaced 2 alternators but it has been a great truck and although it is 14 years old runs as smooth as when I bought it (I got it with 60,000 on it) I have used it to haul hay, manure, goats, sheetrock, gravel for my road, and I put a 300 gallon tank in it during the draught to fill my well which was dry. A wonderful truck!

Sounds like you're getting your money's worth, too. Good on you.

And I should state that it's somewhat fuel efficient, at least for my fuel consumption needs (to work and back)- no, there's no bus communication in the timeframe I need it from here to there, and taking a cab is FAR more expensive an option than taking the bus.

This is OUR only vehicle. Note the "our".

Furthermore, I require the extra speed and handling... to successfully avoid all the irresponsible SUV and full-size truck drivers. The only way I could be more responsible to my travel requirements would be to move to just down the street from my job so I could walk there and to the nearby grocery store. That's not an option; I just renewed my lease.

I should add, I bought this car three years ago and finally just paid it off. I'm keeping this one until it falls apart. But thanks for asking! :)

;-)
Just funnin' with you, anyway. I drive a Chevy Suburban.

I bought it well used 16 years ago for $200, it's a '67 with a dinky little 6 cylinder engine. It's a 4 speed stick with 3:08 gears and the biggest tires I can stuff under the fenders - with all tnat I get 13 mpg. But I used to have a '75 Suburban with a 454 & automatic which got 7 mpg.

Oh, btw, I'm a sign painter - this big behemoth comes in very handy.

who need them the most. If you change residences twice a year, as I did in college (except for the times it was 3 or 4 times) it really helps to have a pickup available.

Maybe its my mid-west roots talking, but I have little problem with a good pickup. Hummers and Expeditions and such are a different matter.

Then again, there are those nutcases who have their pickups all tricked out with oversize wheels, spinners, enough lights to illuminate a county fairground, jacked up to ride four feet higher than their original design. Yeah. I hate them.

I know how that one works... in fact, I will confess to wishing I had one for the last couple times I myself moved, but that was just across town anyway.

A good pickup is one thing, but there's something about a spotless, baby-diaper-buffed full-size eight-cylinder showroom-quality vehicle not being used to its intended potential that just... bothers me. It's a waste of a good vehicle, to have it "because it looks cool".

And also, where I live (a college town), most of the students either junk or sell their furniture at the end of the schoolyear. You'd be astonished at the things these kids are willing to leave behind or on the curb when they leave their dorms for the summer. Their goal is to have nothing left but clothes and personal items to move, a small enough amount to fit in a car. It's amazing.

can rent a truck when she/he moves. and drive a Geo or other small, fuel-efficient vehicle the rest of the year.

Hubby and I have a full-size pick-up -- our only vehicle -- because we use it in our business. We drive only when necessary and are trying to figure out a way to replace the truck with a more fuel-efficient vehicle that will still service our hauling needs. Then again, we may keep the truck if it looks like we'll have to live in it, given the current state of the economy.

Our daughter-in-law is one of those who has a monster truck just because it makes her feel "big" on the highway. She has no other use for it. Maybe she'll wake up now that she has a child, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yes, they can drive a Geo all year, and a great many do. Which brings up another problem I have with unneeded full-size trucks and SUVs- in a parking lot, if you drive a small car and end up next to one, simply exiting your space can be downright dangerous, particularly in a college lot. And since you were the one backing up when the fender bender happened, even though you can't see past the hulking monster to your right....

you see where I'm going with that one.

people I see trying to park their F150s, Expeditions, etc in the COMPACT spaces at the theater I work at p/t. They don't fit between the lines and hang 4 or 5 feet out into the lane, but that's no never mine to them.

Insane.

years old.

isn't going to have a great quantity of furniture and other large items that require a full-size pick-up truck to move.

If the college student has her/his own apartment or house, he/she is not going to be moving every six months.

If they really really really need a truck and they have to be 25 to rent one, they can usually find someone to help them out.


I get furious when I see all these illogical arguments and absurd "what if a cow came flying through the window and you had to have a pick-up truck to cart away the carcass" scenarios to justify the idea that college students NEED pick-up trucks.

My sister and brother-in-law have a full-size pick-up that they don't need, but it's "cool" to have a big red Ford truck in their suburban Chicago neighborhood. It makes them feel macho. They don't haul anything in it, not lumber, not sod, not rocks, not furniture, not firewood. They're soon to have a second child and will have nowhere to put it in the non-crew cab. But b-i-l will drive said truck to work day after day after day, blocking the view of others who are trying to get into and out of parking spaces, etc., etc., etc., just because he can and he wants to.

Best car I ever had was a 76 Honda station wagon. It got about 40 mpg, could turn on a dime, and carried the whole family comfortably. With the rear seats folded down, we could carry quite a lot of cargo, too. And with front wheel drive, we had very little trouble getting around on snowy, icy northern Indiana rural roads.

Retards can't afford to feed those things.

I hate 'em too. I drive an ancient Ranger in self defense.

I would imagine their monthly payments
are about the same amount as what it
costs to keep gas in the tank by now...BWAHAHAH!
I admit a dark satisfaction with that thought when
I see them fueling up at the local pump.

BHN

Welcome home dearest, your posts are an inspiration and you fire up this group. Thank you. Always..........

had to take my annual sabbatical and earn a living simultaneously -

6,000 miles of seeing our wonderful country and viewing the polarization firsthand has left me a bit overwhelmed.

Glad to be back among friends :hug:

:hi:

I needed a DU vacation- I was
spending way too much time pulling my
hair out. Did you get the vitamins we talked about?
BHN

home. You are such a light on this board. Sorry to be so "emotional" so early in the am. Just glad you are back.

but I definitely got a clearer head :D

Good to see you, too, BHN :hi: :hug:

in the same. I'll come up with a clue question next. Something like pm me with your first name. Your real one.

UIA and I both assumed you were posting to us.
Apparently we have both been on DU vacations
and we both thought you had welcomed us back!
LOL
BHN

well, am glad that we are all here together at last :D

Nice to be among old friends again!
BHN

Glad you guys are having fun. I'm trying. BHN, you are a nymph! A really special one at that.

with whom I enjoy parsing the news!

Sorry and I love you all. BHN, You have been so missed the last couple of weeks, and this other person and now Salin? I'm overwhelmed and signing out for a few hours. You all have some fun and fix it, okay?

didn't know I was part of "the deep crowd" ... what a nice thought... please join us as often as you can. :hi:

We are just having fun with the
knee jerkers who are bent on projecting
meanings that simply are not there.
Nothing to fix.
It's all good.
BHN

LOTS!

WELCOME BACK!

allows us to reveal our lack of compassion
for our fellow human beings!
Yeah, me and UIA could give a damn
about those factory workers eh?
Seriously Salin, the feeling is mutual.
You are an oasis in the sea of DU madness.
Hugs-
BHN

that I skipped over the confusion up thread? Just caught the part that clarified the confusion. like walking into the middle of a conversation. The lack of compassion crowd? Nah. Just the tying to potential other issues crowd ... and I know that sometimes when I do it my jumps in thoughts (from point a to point b) aren't always clear to others - til asked about it (I count that as an "assist" per basketball lingo) that let's me remember to clarify. :D

The oasis - my friend - I think is the lbn forum - where many of the items are important - and able to be brought together from where we can, together, sometimes catch a glimpse of a bigger picture. It is what I love most (along with friends like you) about DU.

:loveya:

good. Cheers to Skinner and his helpers and to all of us here at DU! One of the hands down best sites on the net.

www.DemocraticUnderground.com

the "deliberate dumbing down" of the populace
is evident.
Not everyone is able to connect the parts
that make up the big picture in a discussion.
Tunnel vision is rampant and critical thinking skills are
non existent among many in this country.

BHN

to sharpen those skills, and to allow others to do the same, than at the good ole lbn? I know that mine have greatly increased. Sometimes filling in the gaps, and sharing other info/stories that connect the gaps - builds a greater view for all involved (for me, that includes myself as I have to think through and articulate my jumping from story to story mind)

We are actually cold blooded DUers who
don't care about the people who were
killed and injured in the explosion.
Yeah, that describes me and UIA perfectly...
Hmmm. I am remembering the other reason why I needed
that DU vacation right about NOW.
Hugs to you-
BHN

for BHN and me showing our black hearts :evilgrin:

Thanks.

Two very dark hearts needed. will pay for.

Now EVERYONE knows the truth about us!
You might as well show them the photos
of the cold black tar that runs through our veins too...
And here I thought we could continue to fool them
a while longer!
ROTFLMFAO!!!
BHN

I give. The truth be damned! The photo's, what photo's? Cold black tar running through our veins, oh heart be still, you must stop this outrageous behavior. Please, leave our reps intact. Okay? Fool them we will, with more discretion, you think? Easy to fool and to toy with.

how is that possibly "just too perfect?"

Do I REALLY need to explain the concept of sarcasm
over and over here?
Do you REALLY think I have no compassion for the
poor people who were trying to make a living at the plant?
Yeah, that's must be what I meant.
BHN

/sarcasm off/

But if a companies donates $10,000 to the Tsunami relief effort, CNN will repeat their name 100 times (giving them $100,000 in free publicity).

Remember when there was that huge blast in Texas that killed something like 200 people in 2001 or 2002? Nope? That's my point.

Yes, Interesting that the people who were first on this story were those in the business press. Workers get killed, tsk tsk, sad, so sad. But the BIG news is that the supply line is disrupted. Should we sell or buy? -- that's the biggest issue.


Blast rocks Ford plant, fatalities reported -- MSNBC (F) By Jim Jelter
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- An explosion rocked the Ford Motor Co. (F) Rouge plant in Dearborn, Mich., early Monday, resulting in some fatalities, MSNBC reported. The recently renovated Rouge plant assembles the F-150 pickup, one of the Ford's best selling products. Ford officials were not immediately available to comment on the accident or its scope.

Especially since several people are pointing
out that the government is now trampling
the decisions of local judges to win the
approval of the nut case x-tians.
BHN

Maybe it is a diversion from a diversion gone awry. Eh?

the largest Muslim population in the US?
Wonder where this is going...
BHN

yes Dearborn is home to a large middleeastern immigrant population (not all muslim, btw);

but no, the plant isn't near those areas (to my recollection - used to commute by it daily for three years.)

I hope there are few fatalities and my heart goes out to the families affected.

you think? I mean come on, we live in the Dallas area with you, are you not concerned for all the kids that are not getting the "proper edumacation" re birth control and how not to have more children? Abstinence is the key, don't you know?

(Sarcasm off now)

I don't pretend to know the answer to any of the questions of this entire disaster.

This happened in 1999 or 2000. Same plant I think.
last time it was a boiler,I believe.
I'll look it up.

( I live about 20 miles away)

but this is ridiculous!

:silly:

.
.
.

From your link: They way they handled the 1999 explosion

From the day of the explosion UAW officials have defended management and claimed the facility was one of the safest in Ford's system. Further evidence of Ford's criminal negligence both implicates the union, which also ignored the power plant workers' safety complaints, and further discredits the UAW's promotion of labor-management “partnership,” the central theme of its contract talks with Ford.

And a fine quote by yours truly: "Enrico Schaefer, an attorney and workplace safety advocate who maintains a web site dedicated to the Rouge plant explosion (www.hilbornlaw.com/rougeplant), recently commented on the offer. “Ford has no history of altruism when it comes to handling potential litigation or injuries resulting from its alleged negligence. Anyone would be naive to rule out the possibility here that there is a lot of dirty laundry in the Rouge Power Plant hamper... Early reports paint a pretty grim picture of the state of disrepair of the power plant, the lack of adequate 'state of the art' safety systems and the antiquated equipment. If I'm a Ford lawyer, bean-counter or bureaucrat, I worry far less about the particulars of this disaster and more about the long-term implications of a long drawn out, and very public, legal battle... To the extent the information does come out, Ford must do everything in its power to make it come out as quietly as possible.”

Ford is also reportedly seeking to make the families to sign confidentiality agreements so that they can't even discuss the settlements with each other. Workers believe this is aimed at sowing dissension among the families. Abandoned by the UAW and under pressure from their attorneys to settle, the families of two injured workers have accepted Ford's offer. Others are saying they will await the results of the official investigation and press for the truth to be revealed.
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Excellent Link(s) purji . .

another interesting but sad nugget from the previous explosion in 99
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"Three of the six people who died from injuries in the blast had filed health and safety complaints, family and coworkers say.

One of the men who died had repeatedly warned coworkers to "stay away" from Boiler No. 6, where the explosion originated.

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Anyone curious as to how Ford is gonna "play" this

Just read some of the articles' summaries at purji's link

I wonder how many people have to die before Ford closes that plant or fixes it. :mad:

wonder how many corners were cut to lower costs with disregard for safety.

(OSHA = Occupational Safety and Health Administration)



so now, it's OK to KILL A FEW WORKERS to make a profit....on a little less dramatic level, workers are being injured/killed at very high levels in communities all across America....Corporations KNOW that they no longer have to provide respirators, safety belts, training....all the stuff takes MONEY away from their greedy corporate profits....


"I belive war, weapons, corporate greed and systematic injustice is an abomination in the sight of God. They are the definition of mortal sin. They mock God and threaten to destroy God's gift of creation." Catholic Priest, Reverend John Dear, S.J.

recently published in the Baltimore Chronicle

HYPOCRITE NATION
http://baltimorechronicle.com/030405Dear.html



on edit: thanks for the CBS link....the horror of having this news ONLY in the "MarketWatch" business section of CBS news is what's wrong with the bushites...they don't care unless it affects their stock reports...

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBAKXVUK6E.html
(last four paragraphs)

The plant previously was owned by Ford Motor Co. and currently is owned by Severstal, a Russian steel company. The companies share the complex in Dearborn.

A message seeking information was left with a spokesman for Severstal. A Ford Motor Co. spokeswoman said the company was trying to get information.

In 1999, a Ford boiler undergoing routine maintenance at the complex exploded, killing six employees and injuring 14 others. State regulators later found 15 workplace safety violations.

In 2001, a furnace blew and 2,000-degree molten steel spewed out, leaving two workers with minor injuries.

2 workers and 2 fire fighters taken to hospital,in serious condition.

More at noon.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?dateid=38432.4488835648-833400377&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806&

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- An explosion rocked the Ford Motor Co. (F) Rouge plant in Dearborn, Mich., early Monday, MSNBC reported. The television channel initially reported fatalities from the blast but those could not be independently confirmed. The recently renovated Rouge plant assembles the F-150 pickup, one of the Ford's best selling products. Ford officials were not immediately available to comment on the accident or its scope.

probably no connection to the blast, but interesting w/r/t the world supply of Fords and competitive implications.



First shipment of LTVs arrives at ANA depot

Story by U.S. Air Force Maj. Lynnane George, Office of Military Cooperation-Afghanistan (OMC-A) Defense Resources Sector

KABUL, Afghanistan ¯


The Rangers arrived by way of Thailand, hidden in containers, waiting for their chance to spring free. When the prearranged time came, they exited, moving into position effortlessly. Another successful mission, but this time, the Rangers weren’t quite what you’d think.
The first shipment of Ford Ranger Light Tactical Vehicles for the Afghan National Army recently arrived at the ANA supply depot here. The delivery of 83 brand-new, 4x4 double-cab pick-up trucks, produced by RM Asia in Bangkok, Thailand, was only the start of an anticipated total of 5,160 vehicles scheduled for delivery to the ANA over the next 18 months. Shipped by U.S. Defense Transportation System carrier American President Lines, they will be distributed to the ANA to provide critical transportation for troops and cargo.

“This was a significant step in meeting the ANA’s need for tactical vehicles,” said Defense Resource Sector program manager U.S. Air Force Maj. Lynnane George of the Office of Military Cooperation-Afghanistan. “Along with the need to rebuild the ANA came a need to provide transportation for troops, so fielding the vehicles became a top priority.” A family of light tactical vehicles was needed to perform a variety of missions -- including emergency medical transport, transportation for material and troops, and field vehicle repair capability.

<snip>

The U.S. Army’s Tank-Automotive and Armament Command in Warren, Mich., awarded the first contract for 583 trucks on 30 December. The same day, a second contract for an additional 400 vehicles was awarded. These first 983 vehicles are 2.5-Turbo diesel crew-cab pick-up trucks, which will meet the ANA’s need for cargo vehicles. Delivery of the remaining 900 trucks is expected in the spring. These agile vehicles are dubbed Severe Off-Road Vehicles (SORVs) and are fitted with extra-heavy suspension systems, enabling them to better survive the harsh terrain and extreme conditions found in Afghanistan. Each truck also arrives complete with two years of spare parts and manufacturer recommended maintenance.

"OMC-A, the TACOM offices and the Ford Motor Company worked closely together to tailor the SORV Ranger for the Afghan National Army,” said Len Delunas, regional manager for RM Asia. “The next steps will see Ford's SORV Ranger platform extended to meet a wide range of specialized operational needs."

The vehicle fleet will consist of a total of five variants including cargo, emergency response, personnel/tactical and personnel/command trucks, as well as maintenance vans included in the mix. At an anticipated delivery rate of about 415 vehicles per month, the ANA’s projected fielding requirements should be met by April 2006.


http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Stories/03_05/22.htm

Good location.
plenty of land.
tends to explode. :evilgrin:

now that I laughed - I feel a little guilty... some folks may have been gravely injured.

more US assets (isn't the number something like $1.8 trillion) owned by foreign investors.

Wonder how forthcoming this Russian company will be with information regarding this accident.

except when the td hits a record high - and then only for that day. Yet rewind to previous elections (1988? 1992?) - the buying up of real estate in NYC by the Japanese ... and the big trade deficits.

And somehow - both were framed in a way to help repubs - even though they had been in control of the WH.

with the facts and the public -

the average citizen has lost ground under the leadership of the GOP for the past century (maybe longer) and yet they (the public) never seems to connect the dots.

I'm ready to buy a clue :shrug:

advent of the madison avenue marketing firms via campaign ads (first in full swing in the reagan era). Market images tied to an issue - just enough to get a visceral reaction - not enough to hammer the issue and why it is a problem into the public psyche. Thus when the campaign is over - it fades into the memory - as another campaign is running. How else does anti-nation builder Bush suddenly become to the premier exporter of democracy?

Fairness Doctrine.

Iran-Contra was starting to take hold in the public's conscience and poof! News disappeared. Poppy pardons Casper Weinberger and no one bats an eye that something was amiss.

want a real disturbing eye openner - back in 2002 the Washington Monthly ran an article by, I believe, Josh Green - about how 'polling' was used by the bush admin - more money put into "polling" than under Clinton (though bush sneered at Clinton's use of polling) - but their use of polling was more cynical. Take an issue you want to win on but the public is against. Than give it multiple different names and frames and poll until one finds the one that people support - even when they don't support the actual stand.

I used to keep a link to the article handy, but it is on a different computer. I'll try to see if I can't google it up.

And you are exactly right regarding the Iran Contra hearings.

on edit - link: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0204.green.html

Russian steel company?
Hmmm.
BHN

they seem to "share" the facility with Ford (not sure what that means... both housed on the same complex?)

But real human beings are hurting right now. Maybe we could cut back a weensy bit on the "woo-hoo" and "they deserve it" bullshit, ok?

Edited to add: I've always touted the notion that Dems are compassionate people who care deeply about others. As I continue as a DU member, I'm coming to realize that when I tout such Dem values, I've been lying all these years.
:(

UPON SECOND EDIT: I hope that I'm very mistaken about that.

I came down on folks futher up the thread. I totally agree with you.

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Because I think it's tasteless for DUers to celebrate an explosion at a factory that has injured and killed people? That means that I have no place here and should be tombstoned after 5 years?

Gee, if that's the case, then maybe I really don't belong here after all. I hope we've misunderstood each other here.

I was a bit shocked as I read some of the posts on this thread.

...don't have feelings?

all in good or stable condition.

They were transporting molten metal and it somehow came in contact with tires and the tires exploded.

(reported on local channel 4)

This has got to be the most bizarre response to a tragedy I've seen on DU in a while. I'm glad everybody is going to be okay.

it is the "somehow came i contact with tires" part that is the most interesting/troubling. One would think there would be safety rules/regs that would keep highly flamable materials away from the path of molten (nearly flaming) metal.

Glad to hear that folks are in good or stable condition.

Please keep us updated.

If the tires on the transport it self were the ones that exploded or not.
The man driving the transport was unhurt but (understandably) shaken.
Injuries seem to be caused during the fire fighting and not the explosion itself.

sounds like a very frightening accident for those involved.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/archivedpulseone.asp?archive=pulsetrue&dist=ArchiveSplash&siteid=mktw&guid=&dateid=38432.5287788079-833404562&returnURL=%2Fnews%2Fnewsfinder%2Fpulseone%2Easp%3Fdateid%3D38432%2E5287788079%2D833404562%26siteID%3Dmktw%26scid%3D0%26doctype%3D806%26archive%3Dpulsetrue

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A blast and fire injured four workers Monday at the Severstal Steel plant in the Rouge River manufacturing complex in Dearborn, Mich., emergency workers said. The Rouge River steel plant was formerly owned by Ford Motor Company (F) , prompting incorrect reports earlier that the blast had been at a Ford-owned facility. Ford is still active at the complex, where it assembles its F-150 pickup trucks. But the company said the accident had no impact on its operations there.

I just got off the phone, calling to see if the three relatives I have that work at that plant are ok.

And fuck, I'm pretty cynical these days but my god people.