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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:11 PM
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Army Raises Enlistment Age for Reservists to 39
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7962861

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army, stung by recruiting shortfalls caused by the Iraq war, has raised the maximum age for new recruits for the part-time Army Reserve and National Guard by five years to 39, officials said on Monday.

The Army said the move, a three-year experiment, will add about 22 million people to the pool of those eligible to serve, from about 60 million now. Physical standards will not be relaxed for older recruits, who the Army said were valued for their maturity and patriotism.

The Pentagon has relied heavily on part-time Army Reserve and Army National Guard soldiers summoned from civilian life to maintain troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. Roughly 45 percent of U.S. troops currently deployed for those wars are reservists.

At home, the all-volunteer Army has labored to coax potential recruits to volunteer for the Guard and Reserve as well as for active-duty, and to persuade current soldiers to re-enlist when their volunteer commitment ends.

<snip>

The Army National Guard missed its recruiting goal for the 2004 fiscal year and trails its year-to-date 2005 targets. The Army Reserve missed January and February goals and is lagging its target for 2005. The regular Army missed its target for February and trails its annual goal.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:15 PM
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1. Sounds like somebody's preparing for a Draft
Of course, the worrisome thing is that if they are preparing for the Draft, that means LIHOP #2 is all ready to go.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:17 PM
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2. Yeppers, if they follow enlistment ages for the draft
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 03:17 PM by mtnester
my hubby is now eligible for the draft. And LIHOP...get ready for summer fun, probably before school is out. Maybe Memorial Day when everyone is home for the holiday...or Easter Sunday.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:01 PM
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30. Scary stuff
It's things like this that make me almost glad that my brother is deaf -- he'd now be eligible as well if they use these guides for a draft.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:30 PM
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6. You bet! They ARE going to need that "bump" to produce the frenzy
needed: the leap into pure emotionalism, and disengagement of ordinary thought processes.

Too bad so many people will refuse to wake up until it's far past helpful!
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:46 PM
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11. No doubt about it.
Just wish I was somewhere else to ride out the storm.

People who know me laugh in my face when I tell them I'm going to get a weapon. But I think I really need to. Not to defend myself against regular folks, but for the coming times.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:32 PM
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23. LIHOP?
:shrug: no clue, what does it stand for?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:45 PM
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26. "Let it Happen On Purpose"
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:47 PM by meganmonkey
vs MIHOP, which is Make it Happen On Purpose".

For example, the 9/11 attacks are considered "LIHOP" by many and "MIHOP" by some, meaning that the bush administration was aware of the plans and allowed them to happen, or that the admin actually planned and carried out the attacks.

on edit: So folks here are implying that we need another 9/11-type event for the administration to be able to get suport for a draft...
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:52 PM
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27. gotch ya
thankyou very much!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:08 PM
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40. Let It Happen On Purpose
n/t
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:17 PM
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3. My Dad is 68 and waiting to be "called up"...
... his rationale: We don't have enough "young" people to fight all the wars * is getting us into.

I've been encouraging him to go to Canada.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:20 PM
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4. bwahahahahahahaahahahahah
soon they will be trying to enlist the elderly...
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:39 PM
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10. Plus it has the extra benefit

of reducing the rate of drain on Social Security.

Assuming, of course, we can get them to ride in unarmored golf carts when they get to Iraq.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:32 PM
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21. We can lure them in with a Country Kitchen Buffet messhall...
bwhahahahaha
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:59 PM
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54. ha!
thanks; funny.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:42 AM
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52. They Already DID
Retired (from private practice) 68 year old doctor got his papers in the mail. The man thought it was a mistake. Nope, no mistake he was told. He told them he retired from his practice because he had arthritis. I sure hope he was able to get a MEDICAL deferment. ROFL
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:29 PM
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5. Somebody Close the WAR!

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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:32 PM
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7. how degrading
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 03:33 PM by GreatCaesarsGhost
can you imagine being 39 and taking orders and being harassed by someone half

your age?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:34 PM
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8. And the fact that this story has surfaced...
means that the situation is actually much more dire than they're letting on. Fasten your safety belts, the ride's about to get real bumpy!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:36 PM
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9. What Repuke pundits are in that age range?
Now they have no excuse for not going off to war? Bet Ann the Man is forever 39!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:05 PM
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12. W/more older troops on battlefield, Army sees rise in noncombat ailments
At Landstuhl, where most soldiers injured downrange go for medical treatment, more troops arrive with noncombat injuries than fighting wounds. Eight out of 10 soldiers airlifted from battle zones since the beginning of the war in Iraq were treated for noncombat injuries, according to the reserve affairs office.

They suffer from diseases such heart problems, joint pain or noncombat injuries such as fractures suffered during training.

Atop the list of ailments is chest pain, followed by back pain and hernias.

For Dr. (Col.) Randolph Modlin, chief of cardiology at Landstuhl, the figures are easy to explain.

“We’ve never gone to war with guys as old as this before,” he said.

<cut>

While most heart patients are over age 40, like Wolfe, Modlin said doctors have seen clogged arteries in reservists in their 30s.

“It’s just amazing how much coronary disease we’ve seen,” said Dr. (Maj.) Michael Huber, a cardiologist at Landstuhl.

Just last month, doctors found a 95 percent blockage in an artery of 37-year-old Sgt. 1st Class Kris Barrett, a National Guardsman from Michigan. They later discovered Barrett came to war with another artery partially clogged that he knew nothing about.

<cut>

“An average 40-year-old there puts on 40 pounds of gear in that heat and lets people shoot at him — that’s a recipe for heart failure,” Modlin said.

more...

http://ww2.pstripes.osd.mil/article.asp?section=104&article=26839&archive=true
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:08 PM
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13. I cant wait to see a 40 year old get through basic. Pretty f--ing funny.
I guess the women will have to help the infirmed through the obstacle course, while the young men are helping the women.
I smell desperation...
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:10 PM
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14. Reservists in their 30s are showing up w/heart disease
read my posted article just above your post.
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:14 PM
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15. This could be the next health care plan for the poor. Join and get free
medical. and never see action.
Now that I think of it, My cholesterol is a bit high and i have been putting on a few pounds. maybe i will join and get that taken care of while getting in shape. DUH!!!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:32 PM
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20. 20 years of buffalo wings, cheese fries, and SUV trips to McDonald's
This sick society is eating itself now...
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CarinKaryn Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:35 PM
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31. Clarify please.
"while the young men are helping the women. "

WTF does that mean?
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:14 PM
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16. should be unlimited for repugs
and all other * voters.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:26 PM
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17. what next, "stomach battalions"?
I wonder what percentage of the brass are hating bu$h'$ guts for ruining the worlds best military?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:28 PM
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37. Nice historic reference!!! eom
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:27 PM
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18. I'm sure the 38 and 39 year olds will now be flooding the recruiting...
...offices....:eyes:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:29 PM
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19. Notice to all 36 year-old Docker and polo shirt wearing conservatives!
Uncle Sam needs you! You must leave your suburban behemoth-home with your traditional family and fight against terror!

No excuses now! To the front conservative men! To the front! The sports bar will be here when you return! To the front!
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:33 PM
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25.  Losers, Homeless, and unemployed running to serve. Any 39 year old
without their shit together will be joining. and the ones that have not pulled their lives together by the time they are 40 are real winners. enjoy the flood of uber patriots, Bushy.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:55 PM
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28. Bush didn't get his shit together until he was...?
Uh, no....
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:59 PM
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29. oops, i forgot drug addicts who need steady work.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:32 PM
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22. Oh oh,
feeling even draftier here.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:33 PM
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24. Smart move as most 18-37 year olds are already over there...
Let's just all up and enlist and start wars everywhere. Why let them repug thugs organize it? Think of it. They would have to vote on which place needed its butt kicked the most. Then they could filibuster... Conservatives don't do too well if you give them more than two choices...

I say let's invade the moon before someone else does. Call it pre-emptive freedom strike.
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:40 PM
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32. Jon Alvarez (leader of PABAAH) should be told this...
he's another Bush lunatic who put up a post a little over a year ago saying how he wanted to join the NY state National Guard "to serve" but gave an "Aw shucks" excuse saying he's 36 and too old to join. He put out a half ass request to anyone with knowledge on how he could circumvent this, well looks like he just found his in.

ENLIST JON ALVAREZ INTO THE ARMY RESERVE!! JUST AS GOOD AS THE NYS National Guard!
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:54 PM
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33. REAL BAD sign
if you have BEG 39 year olds to join the Army Reserve and national Guard ... :wow: you just kNOW the Army's in deep deep dee shit!!!!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:58 PM
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34. So this will net, 10, maybe 20 folks tops?
I guess if you have no other job prospects. Seems if patriotism were the essential ingredient ALL of those who would now be included had their chance post 9-11 when patriotism was ballooning across the country. Now? Has anyone been paying attention? Folks are actually realizing what a dickwad Bush is. Polls are way down - no one wants to fight his stinking war.

See it now - we did all we can - now we have to draft your lovely daughter, Mrs. Brown.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:15 PM
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35. We are in BAD trouble now...
and I have to agree another LIHOP 2 is coming. Wasn't it Scott Ritter who said Bush had Iran planned by June of '05? <yikes> Ritter was right about Iraq not having WM D's and it's beginning to look like he may be right about this one as well. <uh oh>
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:26 PM
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36. Wow. Think of all the Freepers that can now honorably serve!!!
All those brave, typewriter warriors who wanted to serve, but were just a bit too old. They'll finally get their chance!!!
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:29 PM
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38. They'll try to sign up Terry Schiavo next..........
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:37 PM
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39. 39 is only an interrim figure, we shall see 45 in another 6 mo.
Back in '76 Congress quietly passed a bill allowing for the reinduction of Vietnam vets, regardless of time served, in the event of war or other national need. I read it at the VA trailer at Cal Poly Pomona. At 54 and pissed as hell, if I get pulled back in, their worry about resistance fighters will seem like the good old days.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:14 PM
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41. Wonder if 39-year-olds will fare well in Iraq temperatures of 125 degrees
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 12:36 PM
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42. Here comes a Draft
We will probably see the other branches following suit very soon as they too are having recruitment troubles.

It's only a matter of time now I think.

:grr:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 12:56 PM
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43. Cant wait to tell my 38 yr old GOP brother
Hes so gung ho, all talk and yak..time for him to put his money where his mouth is...
soooo many chickenhawks with anal cysts.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:22 PM
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44. kick to combine
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:22 PM
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45. Army ("stung by recruiting shortfalls") raises enlistment age to 39
Army raises enlistment age for reservists to 39
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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 Posted: 10:37 AM EST (1537 GMT)
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. Army, stung by recruiting shortfalls caused by the Iraq war, has raised the maximum age for new recruits for the part-time Army Reserve and National Guard by five years to 39, officials said Monday.

The Army said the move, a three-year experiment, will add about 22 million people to the pool of those eligible to serve, from about 60 million now. Physical standards will not be relaxed for older recruits, who the Army said were valued for their maturity and patriotism.

The Pentagon has relied heavily on part-time Army Reserve and Army National Guard soldiers summoned from civilian life to maintain troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. Roughly 45 percent of U.S. troops currently deployed for those wars are reservists.

At home, the all-volunteer Army has labored to coax potential recruits to volunteer for the Guard and Reserve as well as for active-duty, and to persuade current soldiers to re-enlist when their volunteer commitment ends.



more: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/army.recruiting.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:22 PM
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46. C'mon Grandpa - We Don't Want To Miss Your Army Induction Service!
eom
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:22 PM
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47. In the Last Days, Germany was putting boys of 15 and old men of 60
at the front lines to defend a crumbling lie.

We're marching into the same pit.
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:22 PM
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48. Any evidence that Al Qaeda or the Iraqi insurgents are staffed with
... middle-aged grunts.


I'm not talking about senior officers here. Anybody else using NASCAR dads and soccor moms (or their regional equivalent) in their front lines?
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:02 PM
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50. No excuses for Jonah "I'm too old" Goldberg now
He's only 35, if memory serves me. Plenty young enough under the new rules to sign up for the reserves.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:54 PM
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49. If they do something to get us in another war and reinstate the draft
then this old lady will probably get into trouble because I'll be damned if I'll let those SOB's get their hands on my two sons!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:37 AM
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51. .
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 11:42 AM
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53. related: Iraq reveals chinks in Army's armor
http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/news/ci_2618493

excerpt:

Unexpectedly heavy demands of sustained ground combat are depleting military manpower and gear faster than they can be fully replenished. Shortfalls in recruiting and backlogs in needed equipment are taking a toll, and growing numbers of units have been broken apart or taxed by repeated deployments, particularly in the Army National Guard and Reserve.

"What keeps me awake at night is, what will this all-volunteer force look like in 2007?" Gen. Richard Cody, Army vice chief of staff, told a Senate hearing this week.

The Iraq war has also led to a drop in the overall readiness of U.S. ground forces to handle threats at home and abroad, forcing the Pentagon to accept new risks — even as military planners prepare for a global anti-terrorism campaign that administration officials say could last generations.

Stretched by Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States lacks a sufficiently robust ability to put large numbers of "boots on the ground" in the case of a major emergency elsewhere, such as the Korean Peninsula, in the view of some Republican and Democratic lawmakers and some military leaders.

...more...
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