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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:38 PM
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Phony Iraq warriors beginning to surface
http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=WARFAKES-03-23-05&cat=AN

By LISA HOFFMAN
Scripps Howard News Service
March 23, 2005

On the front lines in Afghanistan, Sgt. Thomas Larez was said to have braved enemy fire to pull an injured soldier to safety, taking two shots to his torso and shrapnel in his thigh as he did.

Though bloodied and temporarily blinded by a concussion grenade, Larez then killed seven Taliban fighters and helped capture several others.

It was a compelling account of heroism hailed in a December 2001 Dallas newscast based on a "Marine advisory" about the battle that Larez said his commanding officer wrote.

Two days later, the station retracted the story. Not only was the "advisory" bogus, apparently concocted by Larez, but the Marine had never even left the United States, much less distinguished himself in combat overseas.

With that fraud, Larez became one of the first phony heroes of America's war on terrorism to be exposed. He was far from the last.

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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:42 PM
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1. There's a lot of them at freakrepublic.com
Because it is more heroic to stay at home and talk big than actually go to Vietnam--- oops, I mean Iraq, and win medals.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:20 PM
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19. WANNABEE VETERANS--There's lots of them.
I have exposed 5 of them here in the last 2 years.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:47 PM
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2. Gee - why does Jessica Lynch come to mind
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A lot of the world is still wondering . . .

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:52 PM
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3. ....or that football player that was killed by friendly fire in Afghanista
What was his name?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:57 PM
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4. Pat Tillman
eom
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:44 PM
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12. Are you suggesting that he faked his death?
:shrug:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:51 PM
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13. No, but the media should tried to spin a story until the truth was
revealed how he indeed died.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:39 AM
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14. How does the fact that he probably died from 'friendly fire' in combat
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 09:59 AM by Freddie Stubbs
make him any less of a hero? :shrug:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:46 PM
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15. Probably? A hero? Fuck NO! He was a victim, nothing more.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 01:19 PM by 0007
What did he do to deserve a hero status? Absolutely nothing!!

Giving up football when it was questionable weather he could play on Sunday anymore and joining the Army makes him a hero in your eyes, not mine. Do a little digging and you'll find that friendly fire by his comrades killed Tillman. The media tried & got caught trying like hell to make a hero out of him.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 12:49 PM
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16. he played football....
aren't all football players "heros" ? AmeriKa is a strange place.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:18 PM
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18. 0h, not only are they 'hero's' they're little gods that can do no wrong
They get all the 'hot chicks' all the money and the attention of all first class morans...and a certain pro football coach and baseball picture has the privilege to hang out with junior now and then. Coach Tice just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, which is par for friends of junior. And Schilling did a little stumping for junior last October. Hope he looses every game he appears in with Boston.

Tis extremely serious stuff leftchick, LOL!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:05 PM
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17. Here's a good article Freddie on Pat Tillman & the friendly fire
Pat Tillman, the former pro football player, was killed by other American troops in a "friendly fire" episode in Afghanistan last month and not by enemy bullets, according to a U.S. investigation of the incident.

read more.....If you want I'll send you the phony war hero stories that the Army & media made up on Pat Tillman.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A444-2004May29.html

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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:01 PM
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5. Jessica Lynch is different
She never lied about her military service while the people in this story did make up stories about their service. It was the Pentagon who lied about Lynch's heroics.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:17 PM
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7. she kept saying that her dead colleagues should be honored instead
Didn't she reject attempts by the Pentagon to use her as a recruiting tool?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:42 PM
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11. Yes, she did
Jessica's a nice lady, I like her a lot. She has a lot of class.

The people in this story, OTOH, are what we vets call Wannabes. There are two classes of wannabes, and they're both odious.

The first are the wannabes who were never in the military. They're the worst.

The second, which is only slightly better, are actual military veterans who for some reason tell people they were supertroopers when they were regular troopers. They'll tell people they were Airborne Ranger Special Forces when they were really supply sergeants.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:13 PM
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6. Phony Vets
and phony veteran heroes are everywhere.

Always say;"Show me your DD214 or your discharge." Bush* could have done that and shut us all up. He chose not to because he could not. Cut and dried.

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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:24 PM
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8. How to spot a phony SEAL ...
(From the AuthentiSEAL website)

How to spot a Phony SEAL

(as outlined on the Naval Special Warfare Archives homepage)

He's wearing camouflage clothing decorated with multiple patches, ribbons, and tridents.

When asked for his class number, says he didn't have to go through training...went straight to SEALs from Marines, Air Force, etc.

When asked what Team he was in, says Team 6 (everybody wants to be in Team 6).

When asked for names, places, dates, etc., the wannabe says it's top secret, still classified.

Claims to have been a POW, or his entire platoon was wiped out and he was captured.

Talks about his medals, maybe even the Medal of Honor (SEALs don't talk about their medals).

He can't remember the name of his swim buddy, commanding officer, or platoon officer.



And just a few ways for you to tell:

Ask him what SEAL stands for (bet he doesn't know)

He says his records were burned up in the 1973 fire at the Records Center (NO Navy records were burned up there. Check their website at: http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/fire_1973_content.html

For Further Clarification: While there have been and continue to be SECRET MISSIONS, there are not now, nor have there ever been any SECRET SEALS. There have NEVER been any secret SEAL training classes

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:26 PM
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9. So where was he really working
when he was supposedly doing heroics in Iraq? Was he on the GOP payroll or is he just another Bushbot wacko who does it for free?

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 07:32 PM
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10. Strutting about on an aircraft carrier, delivering plastic turkeys
That's where you find the phoniest of the phony warriors.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:46 PM
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20. And why wouldn't someone phony up a war record?
After all, there is no shortage of folks who will immediately jump to your defense, call you a hero based on little else than a claimed war record, and generally genuflect at the altar of War which requires that everyone who puts on a uniform be declared a hero.

It's so pervasive in our society, it's practically part of the air we breathe. For example, criticism of George W. Bush's non-existent military record must always be tempered with kind words about the National Guard, including (and almost especially) the Champagne Units reserved for the scions of the overwealthy as safe havens from the untidiness of war, lest criticism of a warrior wannabe be communicated to the larger rank and file.

Why wouldn't someone want to be in that protected, exalted cocoon, above and immune from all scrutiny and criticism, extolled by your fellow citizens, and lionized by media mouthpieces who've never heard a shot fired in anger, much less have any concept of what goes on in a war zone? It's a pretty sweet position, and if you can get to it without exposing yourself to any real mortal danger, so much the better.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 01:57 PM
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21. So True
And the sheep put down the wounded with Bandaids.

And the "REAL VETERANS" groups like the VFW stand around and drop to their knees to service Bush (a DRAFT-DODGER) and Cheney (ANOTHER DRAFT DODGER)

It makes me want to vomit.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:56 PM
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23. Same here.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 03:00 PM by onager
As a former Marine, I've heard enough bar-hugging gasbags claim to be "Marine Recon" to fill up at least a Division. It's usually easy to tell the BS'ers. That's partly because the Marine Corps in general and especially "Marine Recon" has some peculiar organizational features.

And unlike the loudmouthed liars, a fairly modest attitude. From a website about Force Recon:

The Marines of Force Recon do not consider themselves to be "elite" or "special". Their attitude is that they have been fortunate to be selected to a unit that provides unique challenges and opportunities, and makes full use of their talents. They are tough, rugged men, whose job is to support the guy who does the real fighting - the Marine Infantryman.

Funny that none of the Barroom Commandos ever claim to be ANGLICO (Air/Naval Gunfire Liaison Company), which in some ways is even more impressive. ANGLICO goes into enemy territory before amphibious landings, to pinpoint targets for air strikes and naval gunfire during the landings. By the very nature of their work, they're all SCUBA and airborne qualified.

I've even caught one or two BS'ing about being Drill Instructors. I can nail them easily, because I WAS a Drill Instructor (at San Diego). (The rest of the time I was the lowest of the low, a Marine Air Winger. With no combat experience, BTW.)

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 02:03 PM
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22. Is this the official excuse for running that phony story the other day
about 85 insurgents being killed?

:headbang:
rocknation
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