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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:25 PM
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Jimmy Carter to Chair Election Reform Commission
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former President Jimmy Carter will lead a bipartisan commission to examine problems with the U.S. election system, American University's Center for Democracy and Election Management said on Thursday.

Carter, a Democrat whose Carter Center has monitored more than 50 elections around the world, will co-chair the private commission with Republican James Baker, who served as Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush.

Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, a Democrat who lost his seat in the 2004 election, will also participate.

"I am concerned about the state of our electoral system and believe we need to improve it," Carter said in a statement. He said the group will assess "issues of inclusion" in federal voting and propose recommendations to improve the process.

"We will try to define an electoral system for the 21st century that will make Americans proud again," he said.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/03/25/jimmy_carter_to_chair_election_reform_commission/
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:26 PM
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1. Baker?
With Baker as co-chair, I am NOT hopeful.

Sue
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:26 PM
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2. Replace James Baker with John Conyers and we got a deal.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:37 PM
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3. Hmmmm...interesting.
Daschle should understand the need for reform, that's for damn sure.

I am curious to see what comes of this. Wish I could be more optimistic about it
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:40 PM
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4. LOL, Baker - the modern day Cardinal de Richelieu
Good luck, folks. They don't call him "the fixer" for nothing.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 10:46 PM
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5.  Baker why not Kathy ( legs) Harris ?
Jimmy Carter may be one of the most just presidents America has ever had.
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:10 PM
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7. just awful
Clinton was orders of magnitude more interesting and effective. Jimmy brought us Reagan.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:11 AM
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12. I always thought the Iranians brought Reagan..
.. they wanted a republican president before they released the hostages. The Iran-contra scandal was most likely a kickback for helping Saint Ronnie get into the White House.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:09 AM
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17. Funny story ... a little of the versa vice ... wear your barfbag!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:17 AM
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13. It could be also argued that
Clinton brought us Dubya. :(
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:10 AM
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32. By that logic, Clinton brought us Bush, Jr. (nt)
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:05 PM
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39. Clinton didn't lose the election
Carter did.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:22 AM
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36. You don't know what you're talking about (nt)
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:16 PM
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8. Agreed
Jimmy Carter is a great man
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:06 PM
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6. No mention of voter audit trails (BBV) in their mandate
I wonder if they will look into it?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:38 PM
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9. I don't know...
....but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that the reason the Corporate Dems didn't 'push' the 'Repug 2004 election irregularities', was because if they forced the Repug election 'scamming' under the microscope, they'd find their own 'scamming' under the microscope also....

....if we are ever going to get free elections in this country we need to have a neutral and fair electoral system, something we haven't got today....a system favoring no one, especially the two major parties....

....maybe a meaningful commission with heavy-weights will do for the electoral process, what the 911 Commission did for intellgence....what that was, I'm not sure, but it did make congress and bush move....

....the one thing I think we CAN count on, from both the Repug and Dem leadership is that 'we don't need no up-start third parties forming to confuse the electorate' and they will both join hands together, so that doesn't happen....
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 11:52 PM
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10. Baker? Shit.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 11:53 PM by d_b
Why not throw in Katherine Harris and the Diebold gang, too!
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:05 AM
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11. Carter and Daschle are good guys
I have no faith in James Baker though. Interesting to see what comes of this. We need electoral reform pretty badly. But allowing more people to vote in crowded urban precincts would help the Democrats so Baker will try to screw that up.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:19 AM
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14. Private commission? James Baker?
Finally Carter is involved but ....
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:46 AM
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15. Shoot, I was hoping the repub would maybe be Howard Baker instead
Maybe you all remember him, the one who asked during the Watergate hearings,

"What did the President know, and when did he know it?"

At least he was holding a fellow Republican accountable...
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:24 AM
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16. Good. I think Jimmy can handle Baker. I just hope Jimmy lives long
and strong enough to deliver. Dascle is great too. This is more like it. America desperately needs to learn how to trust again.

Bush should go on trial for that alone. Imagine hiring people who play with the intent of laws and try every dirty trick in the book to get what they want. I hope the commission nails Bush. * is responsible for the people who work under him.

It is a start.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:52 AM
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18. Promising but how about a few members who are not tied to either
political party as well.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:09 AM
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19. Baker shoved paperless Evoting down our throats
Watch the documentary, "Invisible Ballots". They showed Baker singing the mantra, "punch cards baaad, electronic voting goood".

This is like having the fox investigate the suspicious murders in the hen house!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:01 PM
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28. Daschle refused to stop it
I lobbied him on the issue. His staff didn't understand it, so he couldn't have either. Very low technology skills, so he'll probably believe anything the R's tell him for fear of looking dumb.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:49 AM
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20. Right
So we're choosing the main spokesperson for *'s stealing of the 2000 presidential election as the co-chair on a committee studying electoral reform

Why am I not optimistic?
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:13 AM
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21. Thank you so much! Somebody sure has to, given our bad history!
And I couldn't imagine anyone better to do this job.:shrug:
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:35 AM
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22. Have problems with...
James Baker on this commission (this is the man that headed the Recount efforts here in Florida in 2000) but I suppose that his appointment is the only way this commission would go through. Hope it is called "The Carter Commission". Jimmy Carter will go down as one of our most honest presidents.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:44 PM
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24. Oh, dear. I totally agree. James Baker is not someone I would ever trust.
But I also hope that this is called the Carter Commission. Maybe he can keep things honest. I agree that he is certainly one of our most honest presidents, which may have led to his downfall. But I have every faith that history will treat him very well.:-)
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:32 AM
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23. Obvious disaster
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 09:33 AM by PATRICK
Sure Carter "understands" the corruption and the concerns about a wide range of voting abuses. But he is decidedly fixed in his ways by now and we have seen how insufficient are his assumptions. He is NOT alone as all the observers and voting watch organizations have let the end run around democracy simply scurry around their noble tunnel vision without even a nervous twist or revision of their fruitful and long struggle. The esteemed resumee marches on into the ovens of GOP crime.

There is a long list including MOST major Democratic leaders past and present who can hear of the problems without ever changing their ways. If it was sitting down with the criminal opponents of democracy like Baker to work for more real reform that at least would be realistic and like their reconciling role in the past. But on the contrary, this is lauding the wolf in sheep's clothing as you sit down together to plan the architecture of the new chicken coop.

Us chickens say "No thanks, but thanks, President Carter." We'll be better off designing and building our own.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:22 PM
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25. Baker ain't fit to shine Jimmy's shoes... nt
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 03:03 AM
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33. I totally agree.
Jimmy Carter has been proven to be the most honest of statesmen and James Baker, the least.EOM:grr:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:26 PM
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26. James Baker? You've got to be kidding me.....
...he helped to usher in this nightmare...
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 03:51 AM
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34. Yes, he did, including Iraq.
We had just better hope that Mr. Carter will keep him honest, this time.:shrug:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:10 PM
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27. We will hear the truth from President Carter.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:26 PM
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29. He's getting old....I bet Baker et al are hoping he dies before they have
to off him....

I guess I'm just feeling very cynical tonight...
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:11 AM
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35. He's 80, but I bet he outlasts Baker.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 06:28 AM
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37. I think he will, as well.
:grr:
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:00 AM
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30. I hope Carter and Daschle get it together & help us to vote/count them
:kick:
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:04 AM
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31. "propose recommendations"?
I trust Carter and Daschle, but Baker's close ties to daddy Bush only insure that GW (along with Diebolt, Corp. etc.)will receive a steady stream of updates on the commission's progress and potential recommendations. This will be critical if they are to work their preemption magic on the final product.

They know that the rigged voting machines in Ohio and other critical states were critical for Bush to win and will be even more important to them in 2006 when I believe there is the possibility for Democrats to make significant gains in Congress ahead of the 2008 Presidential elections.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:23 AM
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38. Baker? aka "The Fixer"??? Egads. -eom
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