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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:21 PM
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Pentagon Will Not Try 17 G.I.'s Implicated in Prisoners' Deaths
By DOUGLAS JEHL
Published: March 26, 2005

WASHINGTON, March 25 - Despite recommendations by Army investigators, commanders have decided not to prosecute 17 American soldiers implicated in the deaths of three prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004, according to a new accounting released Friday by the Army.

Investigators had recommended that all 17 soldiers be charged in the cases, according to the accounting by the Army Criminal Investigation Command. The charges included murder, conspiracy and negligent homicide. While none of the 17 will face any prosecution, one received a letter of reprimand and another was discharged after the investigations.

To date, the military has taken steps toward prosecuting some three dozen soldiers in connection with a total of 28 confirmed or suspected homicides of detainees. The total number of such deaths is believed to be between 28 and 31. <snip>

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/politics/26abuse.html?pagewanted=2
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:34 PM
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1. THAT'S why the U.S. fears the ICC....
The ICC has jurisdiction when national courts fail to prosecute war crimes.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 07:45 PM
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24. And they should damn well be planning a criminal case against
every member of the past and present bush administration! They can arrrest every single one of them in the various countries they are planning on traveling to after their lovely Easter celebration of chaos! I beleive several key Republicans are planning trips around the world right after their Easter breaks.

Why the ICC hasn't done this up to this point is beyond me!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:12 AM
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2. how 'bout the one's who ordered the torture? . . .
goes all the way to the top . . . the whole lot should be impeached or fired, and then prosecuted . . . and not just for prisoner deaths . . . there's a lo-o-o-o-o-o-ng string of other violations of both US and international law that need attention . . .
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:04 AM
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5. That is exactly why the cases are being dropped. The evidence
that points to the higher ups is too great now, and I am sure some defence attorneys pointed that out with glaring clarity.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 07:49 PM
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25. Those defense attorneys ought to get together and pay a visit to the
some of the key congressional committee's that seem to be unable to gain access to ANY information which would make impeachment possible!

Even some Republicans have to see by now the necessity to remove the entire administration from power before they destroy this nation!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:18 AM
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3. certainly a letter of reprimand is adequate for murder and conspiracy
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 02:19 AM by thebigidea
we should do that here, too. you're allowed to kill, just as long as they aren't white - and your letter of reprimand is delivered by Joe Besser...

"oooo, you make me soooo mad! i'll give you suuuuch a pinch!"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:49 AM
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4. Pity the minorities in inner cities
When these sweet hearts come back to amerika.

Get jobs on the SWAT TEAM (their prior service counts for "preference points in the civil service.)


and start imposing their wills on the "darker skinned" residents of various amerikan ghettos (Europe will be watching)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:14 AM
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6. Gee, if I ever commit murder I want that deal
a letter of "bad doggie, no biscuit for you!"

Guess there were no pictures....without pictures the same sorts of crimes aren't as bad, you know. It's those damn cameras that are evil!


Which just shows the Abu Ghraib soldiers would still be unknowns and uncharged had there been no pictures of their crimes...which is why Rummy went after the cameras...he knew he could control the info getting out better if he could fully control the methods of possible delivery of evidence


which just further illustrates the hypocrisy of it all.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:58 AM
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7. Pentagon Will Not Try 17 G.I.'s Implicated in Prisoners' Deaths
WASHINGTON, March 25 - Despite recommendations by Army investigators, commanders have decided not to prosecute 17 American soldiers implicated in the deaths of three prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004, according to a new accounting released Friday by the Army.

Investigators had recommended that all 17 soldiers be charged in the cases, according to the accounting by the Army Criminal Investigation Command. The charges included murder, conspiracy and negligent homicide. While none of the 17 will face any prosecution, one received a letter of reprimand and another was discharged after the investigations.

To date, the military has taken steps toward prosecuting some three dozen soldiers in connection with a total of 28 confirmed or suspected homicides of detainees. The total number of such deaths is believed to be between 28 and 31.

In one of the three cases in which no charges are to be filed, the commanders determined the death to be "a result of a series of lawful applications of force." In the second, the commanders decided not to prosecute because of a lack of evidence. In the third, they determined the soldier involved had not been well informed of the rules of engagement.

more....
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/politics/26abuse.html
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 08:51 AM
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13. Telltale Signs of Torture Lead Family to Demand Answers
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 08:58 AM by UpInArms
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=275

Baghdad , May 4, 2004 - Not all evidence of military personnel mistreating Iraqis held in US custody come from leaks within the American- and British-run detention facilities. In many cases, such as that of Sadiq Zoman, 57, who last year entered US custody healthy but left in a vegetative state, the story originates with family members desperate to share their loved one’s story with anyone willing to listen.

American soldiers detained Zoman at his residence in Kirkuk on July 21, 2003 when they raided the Zoman family home in search of weapons and, apparently, to arrest Zoman himself.

More than a month later, on August 23, US soldiers dropped Zoman off, already comatose, at a hospital in Tikrit. Although he was unable to recount his story, his body bore telltale signs of torture: what appear to be point burns on his skin, bludgeon marks on the back of his head, a badly broken thumb, electrical burns on the soles of his feet. Additionally, family members say they found whip marks across his back and more electrical burns on his genitalia.



<snip>

Lt. Col. Hodges’ medical report listed the primary diagnoses of Zoman’s condition as hypoxic brain injury (brain damage caused by lack of oxygen) "with persistent vegetative state," myocardial infarction (heart attack), and heat stroke. The same medical report did not mention any bruises, lash marks, head injury, burn marks or other signs Iraqi doctors said they found on Zoman's body upon his arrival at Tikrit hospital nearly two weeks later.


(before becoming a victim of torture)

...more...

more pictures here: http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Detained_and_tortured_iraqi

(edited for links)
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 06:23 PM
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19. What did you expect?
The Pentagon investigates torture claims by it's own soldiers = Fox investigates the killings in the hen house?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 11:40 PM
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26. you ask: What did I expect?
I expect nothing good from this maladministration and its henchmen.

I would hope that there would be justice - but that is a time in the past and hopefully in the future - it eludes us all in the present.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but. they grind exceeding fine. ...
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:25 PM
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8. and what of the "contractors"?
ie, mercenaries. Guess that legislation exempting contractors from consequences(yes george, consequences)did the job. Shameful.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:19 PM
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9. The election was a mandate on torture; it's not a problem
By the massive landslide of '04, it's an indisputable fact that all actions of the Bush Administration and its minions are not only endorsed, but enthusiastically demanded by our nation as a whole.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 07:33 AM
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10. kick to combine
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 07:33 AM
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11. Report: Army won't prosecute 17 soldiers
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 07:15 AM by Algorem
WASHINGTON (AP) — Army officials have decided not to prosecute 17 soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, a military report says.

NewsFlash Home | More Washington News

Report: Army won't prosecute 17 soldiers
3/27/2005, 5:40 a.m. ET
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Army officials have decided not to prosecute 17 soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, a military report says.
Military investigators recommended courts-martial for the soldiers in the cases of three prisoner deaths for charges ranging from making false statements to murder. Officers rejected those recommendations, ruling that the soldiers lawfully used force or didn't understand the rules for using force, or that there was not enough evidence to prosecute.
Eleven U.S. Army soldiers are facing murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004.
Twenty-four cases encompassed the 27 deaths; 16 investigations have been closed and eight remain open, according to the Army report released Friday. Five cases were referred to other agencies, including deaths involving Navy and Marine troops and CIA operatives...
(they really put this out at 5am on Easter Sunday morning?)
http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/washington/index.ssf?/base/politics-6/1111892657183740.xml&storylist=washington
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 08:24 AM
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12. How does it feel...
to live in a Fascist Nation?

Amerikans will never hear about this because the Amerikan Media is part of the Fascist Regime of Amerika.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:21 PM
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15. The fellow in your picture would have agreed with "no prosecutions". n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:34 AM
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14. It is just not right to punish underlings for carrying out their masters'
wishes.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 05:12 PM
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17. That's Crap
They could have said no, but my personal feelings is that these troops were willing participants in these murders.

And they did it with no questions asked, and I'm sure some of the sadistic SOB's enjoyed inflicting pain on their victims.

With the refusal of the Pentagon to bring charges against these 17, the US military has guaranteed that US soldiers will no longer be given any protections under the Geneva Conventions. Because it would be safer for our enemies to execute American military personnel, then to keep them alive, and wasting valuable resources that could be put to better use to fight US forces.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 06:14 PM
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18. Often been chided on DU board, but first time my words elicited a crap
descriptive term. I will just proffer the incidents of torture would be minimal in comparison to what has transpired had those at the top abhored torture and would not tolerate it as much as those at the top now seem to like it, maybe even encourage it.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:37 PM
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16. Laws and decency are meant to apply only to others, not the US.
And we wonder why they hate us?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 06:25 PM
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20. Do I smell some Medals cooking in the oven? n/t
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 06:25 PM
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21. What did you expect?
Pentagon investigates it's own soldiers on claims of torture = Fox investigates the killings in the hen house?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 06:51 PM
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22. No need to prosecute soldiers performing their duty: does not the failure
to prosecute possibly suggest these soldiers were just doing their jobs?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 07:39 PM
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23. I was on yahoo a while ago & here's what the White House link looked like:



So if I understand this correctly, we might punish people for mud wrestling but not for homicide? Man, things are sure getting weird around here.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 01:02 AM
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27. This excludes cases of torture and murder where no records are kept
Excerpt from a crrent Mother Jones article: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/03_2005_Bazelon.html

"In March 2003, just as U.S. troops were streaming into Iraq, American troops in Afghanistan arrested an 18-year-old soldier in the Afghan army, Jamal Naseer, at the behest of a provincial governor embroiled in a dispute with local warlords. The arrest wasn’t recorded and no charges were filed, but Naseer was taken to a U.S. base near Gardez. Two weeks later, he was dead. A report prepared for the Afghan attorney general, who considered bringing charges against unnamed American soldiers in the case, found that he had been severely beaten over the course of two weeks. The Afghan investigators and a report by the United Nations also recorded allegations that other prisoners at Gardez had been beaten, immersed in cold water, given electric shocks, hung upside down, and had their toenails torn off. The U.S. Army investigated the circumstances of Naseer’s death, but closed its inquiry because there were no records of who was in charge at the base, or of the names of victims and witnesses."

To repeat: "The U.S. Army ... closed its inquiry because there were no records of who was in charge at the base, or of the names of victims and witnesses."

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