Red Lake shooter (recently) watched movie about a school attack (Elephant)

story: http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3127903&nav=0RaPXw59

Link to the "Elephant" website: http://www.elephantmovie.com/

...of course what you say makes sense. If everybody did what they saw, you could only imagine. What you can not confidently imply, is that this did not have any effect on him at all. When a person has a pre-disposition to act out on something...seeing that thing supported in a movie......could definitely have the power to encourage.

i'm glad i saw it, but damn. i was a little messed up for a few days, seeing how people could be that out of touch with the people around them.

I stopped watching it after about half an hour.

In retrospect, I'm glad I stopped. I really don't like watching kids getting shot, whether it's life imitating art or art imitating life. Too depressing.

The actors -- all amateurs -- were great.

And it uses the device -- the same story from different perspectives -- really well.

just like murder mysteries aren't made for murderers. but in the Bible, there's horrifying accounts of bloodshed... and maybe the Bible was the last thing he read. who knows.

help the victims. that's what needs to be done. show some compassion. more than 5 minutes worth.

After watching the 88-minute movie that had a lot of looong tracking shots, my first impression when it ended was WTF? What a total waste of time. Poop on director Gus Van Sant, he made a real stinker.

Then an hour or so later, the story began to creep back into my tiny brain. By the next day it all made sense and i was raving about it to friends who like strange movies.

A strange lyrical poetic type of story telling that messed with time. A ballet of a school shooting? Much sympathy for the victims randomly gunned down in the mudane course of their high school existance by two very disturbed students.

In no way did this film glorify or support school shootings and the actual violence was kept to a bare minimum.

If Lieberman finds out about this incident, director Van Zant's on the shit list.

The "Elephant" in the room is not violent video games, or violent movies, or Marilyn Manson, it's our own failings. We fail kids every day by ignoring them and alienating them and then we wring our hands whenever these kids who we haven't noticed before suddenly snap. And anyone who would, after seeing it, blame the movie "Elephant" for instigating a school shooting are completely missing the point, and anyone who would blame it WITHOUT seeing it are just part of the problem.

The reason people are grasping at straws (Prozac, Marilyn Manson, violent media) is because we're too afraid to look at ourselves in the mirror. Society failed this child, as it failed the Columbine shooters, and the only people that are to blame are ourselves, society as a whole.

Until we realize this, this will keep happening over and over again.

I think the cause will be the zoloft that he was taking. It seems Prozac is the only one that is "safe" for kids. And why wasn't this kid getting therapy? Too many times doctors give these pills out and there isn't anyone checking out how the mind is taking it. My doctor has forced anti-depressants on me twice now, just because I'm tired. She can't find anything else (that's easy anyway) to explain my fatigue. I got worse on the only one that I took. For a month, it was horrible, if I had to stay on that stuff, I might have taken someone out, myself.

zalinda

them were on prozac.

I can't remember the details, but they were either all heavilly medicated at the time of the shooting, or they stopped taking it just before the shooting.

The conclusion one came to after readig the article is that maybe medicating all these kids isn't so smart.

But you know what? The drug industry makes a lot of money off medicating kids, so that article was the only place I have ever seen anyone connect prescritption medicine to school shootings.

Since I recently watched Monster, I mean.

Thank God for AP. No need for jury trials or "evidence." Now wild speculation can run untrampled by any "journalistic principles".

Sure am glad Grant's friends didn't bring over Caligula or Braveheart, no telling what might have happened.