CNBC just reported that CIA has asked that White House be investigated

for revealing the information on Wilson's wife working for CIA.

Buh bye, Rove.

A special prosecutor would be nice though since that could expand to the investigation of other crimes committed by the Whistle Ass administration.

Snakes don't commit suicide, but that appears to be changing. :)

The MSNBC Report:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1

And Senator Schumer's request for an investigation:
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/07/cs072403.html

Media needs to know that there are a lot of people interested in this story.

Anybody got a lock on how the neanderthals at Free Republic are taking the news?

Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride. That is, if it's not ignored like every other legal request directed at this administration.

Just who is going to proscute this, Ashcroft? The request for investigation is just the first step in vindication for Rove. It is a farce for the campaign.

Methinks that the CIA is not endeared with shrub and his minions right about now. What with the way they were blamed with the intel problems when it was really the OSP, the way rummy went to their offices and directed intel gathering, and the outing of Gloria Plame in and of itself HAS to get them po'd.

I am not so sure that the rank and file of the CIA and intel community are lockstep with the admin anymore, and that is good for us!

According to Tom Robbins, there are Cowboys and Angels. A friend with security said that sounded about right.

If they are asking for this, assume both groups are on the same page, but be afraid of whatever the Cowboys may be cooking up in the background.

Although I think I have inherently sensed that there were dedicated people working there along with the nasty ones. I would also imagine that the privatized spook firms such as SAIC are also mainly cowboys. You are right, we should be afraid, but also alert and as aware as possible.

.

had learned that the CIA had asked the the DOJ investigate.

Aw, man! Now we KNOW it will get swept under the rug. Sounds more like a cover story being put up. Hence the Friday evening release.

DOJ: Karl, did you do it?
Rove: Me? Heavens, no!
DOJ: That's good enough for us, now let's get back to investigating brown people!
Rove: Huzzah!

That cracked me up

Let the Attourney General of New York investigate the WH!!!!

Spitzer is the only Decent Justice here in the US!!!!

It was leaked on Friday NIGHT, for pete's sake, so no one would know about it...and it's clearly very embarrassing for the WH.

But, if the CIA was serious, it would have done its own investigation and blown it open that way. An agent could have Deep Throated Terry Moran at ABC or something.

Asking John Ashcroft to investigate his bosses...somehow I don't view this as being fruitful--UNLESS. Unless the media/Democrats make a big stink over it. Don't know if that will happen.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/sept0304.html#0926031103pm

...On it's face, this news tonight almost certainly means that the CIA's internal investigation concluded that laws were broken or that there was sufficient evidence of wrong-doing for a criminal investigation to be undertaken...

Does it fully enable the CIA to get into domestic surveilance or is that in PAII?

Go to www.congress.org and then to the directory - for the numbers for your Senators and Congresspeople. Call them (either in Washington or locally) and demand that they follow up on this.

Call MY guy, Henry Waxman - who's been on this for weeks.

In Washington (202) 225 - 3976

In L.A. (323) 651 - 1040

The point is, we have to start making lots of noise about this! Everywhere we can! The more of your reps you contact about this, the more they'll realize it's a story worth following up, because NUMBERS of people are pounding them about it.

DO IT! It would be mighty nice to disarm KKKarl Rove - especially when bushie needs him most.

I couldn't find the article on CNBC.

How polite of them to announce it on a Friday night.


BTW: Who did they ask? The DOJ? Ha ha ha ha...

Maybe junior better look into this, 'eh?

The Justice Department? The Repukes control everything, so how could there be any nonpartisan investigation?

If it is true there will be many sources.

On edit: I just saw it repeated on the CNBC crawl.

Wonder who's going to play Haldeman and who Erlichman.

a matter of time before the spooks had enough - outing their own is not too smart, maybe Roly Poly Rovie has outsmarted himself at last.

Between this and the CNN blip about the 'uproar' about Cheney still getting the bling-bling from Halliburton ....

Dickie's being set up to take a graceful fall into a pile of FAT CASH.

(Aside: when the reported finished her story about how the Democrats feel Cheney's behavior is inappropriate, the anchor said 'Why isn't this illegal?' and the reporter chickie looked like she wet herself ... she was stunned and obviously had to tap dance for KKKarl's pre-approved answer. It was priceless.)

:hippie:

you would know that.

I don't understand these people - they already have more money than they'll ever need yet they whore for more, even selling out their own countries. WHY?????

People like Cheney crave money like a crack addict craves his next fix.

somewhat off-topic, but look at Bill Gates. He could LITERALLY have all the money in the world and it wouldn't be enough for him.
SoB is right. And there are lots & lots of others with the same addiction to wealth.

cheney is toast...

rove is totally toast...

who's that leave? the head cheese, standing alone.

this oughtta be good.

If Whistle-Ass had gotten his hands on another one of those, we'd have "hit the trifecta"!!

.

at the FBI, Robert Mueller to investigate.

If we want to see prosecutions of Bush et al we BETTER not elect Kerry

But a special prosecutor can still be appointed.

Revenge for getting punked on the WMD evidence! Fuckers!

:spank:

The good people, that is. Several top intel and military people also have gone to Kerry's campaign.

Then there's the record: It was Louis FREEH who headed the FBI when all those 9-11 terror pilot warnings were being ignored by the FBI guy Bush later promoted. Kerry put the #2 Mafia guy in Massachusetts behind bars for life. He was just warming up for the Bush Organized Crime Family.

Let's Roll!

Then the lady was in fact a CIA Operative no questions asked.

I can see Kovak(sp) going to jail to protect his source.... Yea Right.

as he should be. Would you have wanted the editorial staff of the NYT to go to jail for printing the Pentagon Papers?

Whoever leaked the information committed a criminal act, but those who reported & printed it did not. That's an important protection, much more important than your (OK--our) desire to see something bad happen to Novak.

what kind of journalist does the bidding of the White House like that?

It was totally gratuitous in that column, the only purpose was the White House's purpose.

he must have known how dangerous that was.

explicitly to prevent a repeat.

So, however much we may find these laws a violation of the 1st Amendment, they remain quite in effect, and it is questionable whether 1st Amendment protection for journalists can stand up to the National Agents’ Identity Act and the Unauthorized Release of Classified Information Act.

Moreover, a judge may really question whether the act of releasing the Pentagon papers has the same kind of direct effect as the act of releasing the identity of a covert agent. It would be a hard analogy to swallow, I'd wager, for most jurists.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/07/cs072403.html

SCHUMER ASKS MUELLER TO OPEN AN FBI INVESTIGATION INTO ILLEGAL LEAK OF CIA AGENT'S IDENTITY


Unauthorized leaking of a CIA agent's identity is punishable by 10 years in prison, jeopardizes the lives of the brave agents on the front lines of the war on terror

News reports suggest that Administration could have leaked the identity of a CIA agent to discredit a critic of the President and intimidate others from speaking out

US Senator Charles Schumer today asked FBI Director Robert Mueller to open an investigation into reports that two senior members of the Bush Administration illegally disclosed the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative. According to Section 421a of the Intelligence Identities and Protection Act, the unauthorized identification of a CIA operative is a criminal act punishable by up to ten years in federal prison.

Novak may be a lowlife scum without an ounce of integrety but he was doing his job.

The person in the White House who gave Novak this information is the one who should warm a prison bench for long time.

Besides Novak releasing this info has done more to hurt the WH than Wilson's wife. Especially since Amb. Wilson has used this situation to his full advantage.

We should email Novak and thank him rather than condemn the old fool.

Since Novak was not hot to trot into Iraq, I have to wonder if he might be a sly fox in this.

Then lets take a look at 9-11. We have been told the CIA did a bad job. I doubt that is true and I think a LOT of CIA people are furious about the implication.

Get that fucker Rove behind bars for outing Wilson's wife. It will stop the Republican machine cold.

I can't think of anything like it--the White House leaking the name of a covert CIA op to the f*****g press? Who knows where it will lead? It could lead nowhere a la the anthrax investigation (they KNOW who's behind it, but it's just too sensitive to make an issue of it). Or it could lead to the downfall of a prominent member or two of the Bush administration, depending on Tenet's frame of mind.

No matter what, this is a very, very serious offense and SHAME on the American media for paying such scant attention. Is there no accountability for anything??????

for taking the hit for the 16 words in the SOTU.


:hippie:

but who the hell knows what games these guys are up to? Principles, justice, and the law can all be discarded when operating in their environment.

...for the 60 contacts under Wilson's wife that have been killed since she was outed (so I hear- someone said it in a chatroom. I have no evidence, of course.)

...to know not to print it too. He should get nailed over this.

Don

..even if it is trouble that he's heaped on his own head.

This thing will not go away....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

...he's been around long enough.

What a surprise.

Ok, asking the DOJ to investigate seems to be like having the fox check out the henhouse.... but.... This is the CIA who has asked.... if they're pissed enough to ask - they're pissed. If they're pissed and the DOJ doesn't take this seriously...the Company might very well have "rogue" agents look into it themselves.... this might be very bad for the Admin.

Excuse me if I remain skeptical...

Whitewash is more like it. Or a classic BFEE "Nope. nothing to see here..."

Anyone have luck finding links yet? I'd like to spread the good news.

No luck yet.

Tuesday, September 16th, 2003
Cheney Claims Again Iraq Tried To Acquire Uranium From Niger

This is the best source I've seen, as it has an audio clip with Amy Goodman interviewing Wilson on Sept. 16th

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/1555209

Who better? But even having the goods on him, nobody has been willing to get hime commited or impeached or just something before he declares war on what ever countries he hasn't gotten round to yet. Shit you think he ever sleeps? Gives a real creepy feeling about Laura staying with someone like that. She got to be a little off to not get bothered he's like cold blooded didn't even check on one of the twins when she was in the hosp one time. Maybe she didn't really want to have him there :_)

I don't think spooks ever ask a question that they already don't know the answer too.

Don

Tuesday, September 16th, 2003
Cheney Claims Again Iraq Tried To Acquire Uranium From Niger



http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/1555209

at justice. He said last month that (hypothetically) should an investigation be requested, he would do everything he could to help the agents. He is IN on this and TRUSTS them to do the job.

as the source. Wilson also described the steps the investigation would take, which included an initial investigation by the CIA. After that investigation, the CIA would determine whether the DOJ should conduct an investigation. I interpreted Wilson's description as meaning the CIA would refer it to DOJ only if a crime had been committed.

than to see Karl Rove frog marched out of the White House in handcuffs! I heard him at Inslee's forum in Seattle last month. He *intimated* this was on the way! WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

He said that when he said that, he had measured his words. He was SERIOUS as a heart attack!

Not on msnbc. Not with the help of news.google. :shrug:

...and has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bush Criminal Empire ever since. All this CIA vs the White House crap is a front.

They were 'wronged' if you will. Someone who shouldn't have, used them in a 'dishonorable' way and they want revenge. For one thing, if he can out one for vengence without a thought to what it might mean to years of work and people on our side and the other side, they can and will do it to anyone. No one is safe. No work is safe. Ergo, the nation isn't safe. They probably did a viability study on the white house and decided they have to fall.

As for Tenet, read lying liars and the lies they tell by Al Franken. I quote about Tenet for 9/11:

(p. 121) Now, on August 6, CIA Director Tenet delivered a report to pResident Bush entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" It stated his plan to hijack plans. Bush went golfing.

Massive snippage!

(p. 119) "The holdovers from the Clinton era- Clarke and CIA Director Tenet- were going nuts. Bush Administration insiders would later say they never felt that the two men were on board with Operation Ignore. <bush's negligent lack of concern and unwillingness to accept ANYTHING from a Clintonian> Tenet was getting reports of more and more chatter about possible terrorist activity. Through June and July, according to one source quoted in the Washington Post, Tenet worked himself 'nearly frantic' with concern. In mid-July, "George briefed Condi that there was going to be a major attack," an official told Time."

SNIPPAGE! all of this is found in chapter 16.

We, of course, know what happened next.

Just because you work for the CIA doesn't mean you don't love and want to protect your country. Not everyone is some cloak and dagger imbecile like Clancy writes. These people were not only as wounded as we were, they were more so because they tried to do something about 9/11 and were ignored. Now this.

Do they want revenge and justice and professional vindication? Sure/ Tenet is set to take the fall and he tried his damnedest. I hope they put all these people behind bars.

RV, recommending Liars to everyone.

Jeb Bush to manipulate the ballots.
Ashcroft will pretend to investigate and....

nada will come of it!

Good ol Alllen Dulles.........what an empire of thugs!!!!

...and that's betray one of your own. Somebody within the WH has betrayed Wilson's wife, and no amount of posturing is going to protect that individual from paying a price.

Take a look at what's been happening in the last month or so...

1) There have been widespread leaks of information damaging to the Bushies from the military;

2) There have been widespread leaks of information damiaging to the Bushies from within the intelligence community;

3) Supposedly conservative judges have begun to resist Ashcroft's agenda;

4) Cities and towns all across the U. S. have begun to individually repeal the Patriot Act in their localities;

5) All of these leaks are being reported in the mainstram media which tells me that the press' large conservative corporate owners are no longer very happy about the Chief WH Squatter. Additionally, the press has been reporting their own well-researched stories that are negative toward the Bushies;

6) Despite assurances to the contrary, the economy is not getting any better, more people are getting laid-off, and more manufacturing centers are being moved overseas;

7) OPEC has dropped their production output which will result in still higher gas and heating oil prices in the U. S.;

8) And finally, Andrea Mitchell is the reporter on this story...she's Greenspan's wife. Think about it.

"who cares what you think?"

If the CIA asked for an investigation on the WhiteHouse before on anything?

I thought it was normally the otherway around and I never heard of the CIA ever doing this before. I'm even thinking back to Watergate.

If anyone knows, thanks.

WOW WOWEE!

:bounce:

Ashcroft will not investigate.

We need the attorney General of NY.

That means that pressure has to be put on Ashcroft to either proceed quickly or appoint a special prosecutor.

E-mails to senators and Congressmen need to be done as well as letter writing campaigns to keep Ashcroft from sweeping it under the rug. It's hard to sweep somethingn under the rug when the television news cameras are watching..............

CIA seeks probe of White House

Agency asks Justice to investigate leak of employee’s identity

EXCLUSIVE
MSNBC AND NBC NEWS

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 — The CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate allegations that the White House broke federal laws by revealing the identity of one of its undercover employees in retaliation against the woman’s husband, a former ambassador who publicly criticized President Bush’s since-discredited claim that Iraq had sought weapons-grade uranium from Africa, NBC News has learned.

THE FORMER ENVOY, Joseph Wilson, who was acting ambassador to Iraq before the first Gulf War, was dispatched to Niger in 2002 to investigate a British intelligence report that Iraq sought to buy uranium there. Although Wilson discredited the report, Bush cited it in his State of the Union address in January among the evidence he said justified military action in Iraq.

The administration has since had to repudiate the claim. CIA Director George Tenet said the 16-word sentence should not have been included in Bush’s Jan. 28 speech and publicly accepted responsibility for allowing it to remain in the president’s text.

Wilson published an article in July alleging, however, that the White House recklessly made the charge knowing it was false.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/937524.asp?0cv=CB10

consider a couple felonies commited by anyone in the White House any big deal. Now, if they were Democrats, it might be a different story; then he would just be doing his job. :eyes:

they would NEVER have gone public with this. Never. Never. There are committed pros- lifers- at Justice. *Someone* will face the music on this one. Wilson seems convinced it will be Rove.

...the DOJ to Ashcroft and his policies. There have been several rulings lately that have not gone in Ashcroft's direction, and that trend is likely to continue.

I also doubt that the CIA would have let this story go public without having their ducks lined up...they must believe that have a good chance of making this happen.

The military has also leaked quite a few damaging stories to the press, as has the Intelligence Community.

And the media is printing/reporting these stories as fast as they can get them...and remember, the U. S. mainstream media is owned by very large and very conservative corporations.

Andrea Mitchell is the reporter on this story. The fact that she is Greenspan's wife adds additional signifigance to this article.

"THE FORMER ENVOY, Joseph Wilson, who was acting ambassador to Iraq before the first Gulf War, was dispatched to Niger in 2002 to investigate a British intelligence report that Iraq sought to buy uranium there. Although Wilson discredited the report, Bush cited it in his State of the Union address in January among the evidence he said justified military action in Iraq."

I hadn't heard this take before; it was always touted that he was going to check out a story, reported back, and it was either lost in the "large intestines" of the CIA or somesuch rot. If, as this says, he went to check out this specific source (the British report) and proved it false, that's much worse. That destroys all cover for the CIA, period.

If he debunked other sources, and then the British one cropped up, that would have given them their oh-so-flimsy "cover". This version, however, makes it a complete disproving of something subsequently used as proof. He was on an official and sensitive assignment, mind you; "forgetting" about it isn't excuseable.

Is this just sloppy reporting, or are we hearing something new? Even if it is just sloppy reporting, isn't this enough to bring it up and make them justify their deceit again?

I read Wilsons own words. He said he sent the report back immediately. He further said it went to Dick Cheney (This was during an interview. Wish I could remember where, but it was in the las week or so). Wilson is PISSED. His family has been affected. And the WH fucked with the CIA which is a very dumb thing to do.

Now if only our democratic Sentors and Congressmen hadn't been such roll=over wimps during the mid terms, we'd have a least a majority in the Senate and could get some investigations going.

Its gonna be real hard now. I believe Asshcroft has to appoint a special prosecutor and their aint no way he's gonna do that. (Unless of course the CIA has something on him.) :evilgrin:

If Wilson was sent to check out reports and rumors, that's one thing, but if he was sent--as this says--to check out THE SPECIFIC BRITISH REPORT CITED IN THE SOUA, that's godawful and beeeeg trouble. Regardless of how they misplaced/lost/whatevered the report back, it's a complete repudiation of the document they use for cover. That's not the case, is it? Isn't the British document something they got later, "conveniently" overlooking the fact that it was stemming from the same information?

If it's the former, this is a new version of the story--at least new to me--and truly damning. Is this a typo or sloppy writing?

I saw Wilson on TV some time back (maybe a month?) and I think it was Meet the Press. No transcript available. Wasn't he also on The Daily Show?

I KNOW that on Cheney's recent appearance on MTP, he claimed to not know anything about Wilson. He claimed he had never met him. I had it on Tivo and I watched that part several times because Cheney's body language indicated he was lying. Transcript still available:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/966470.asp

MR. RUSSERT: Now, Ambassador Joe Wilson, a year before that, was sent over by the CIA because you raised the question about uranium from Africa. He says he came back from Niger and said that, in fact, he could not find any documentation that, in fact, Niger had sent uranium to Iraq or engaged in that activity and reported it back to the proper channels. Were you briefed on his findings in February, March of 2002?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson. A question had arisen. I’d heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium in Africa, Niger in particular. I get a daily brief on my own each day before I meet with the president to go through the intel. And I ask lots of question. One of the questions I asked at that particular time about this, I said, “What do we know about this?” They take the question. He came back within a day or two and said, “This is all we know. There’s a lot we don’t know,” end of statement. And Joe Wilson—I don’t who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.

the CIA and that the written reports would have reached those that were engaged with the CIA intel on Iraq WMD.

When the story broke about Novak blabbing that WH sources had revealed Wilson's wife as a CIA operative, I think the institutional players in our Government realized that no one in or out of government is safe from the dictatorship squating in the WH. They will do anything to smear/destroy any opponent that stands in their way.

Every Democrat in Congress ought to be demanding an investigation of this...and I think that will finally be the lever to pry open all the dirty secrets that these criminals are sitting on.

Apparently, Poppy doesn't have the control we thought he did on the organization...

And Treasure!... I have a lot of confidence in Ambassordor Wilson!

I believe he will go all the way with this! Did the bushwa really know who they were screwing over when they started messing with him?

Nothing good can come of this for Bush....man, this ship is taking on serious water. This is unprecedented and a real problem for this misadministration. The CIA has been slammed on 9/11, Iraq, now one of their own agents is exposed by the Bushista's. I think the CIA has had it....I wonder if there won't be other interesting/damaging leaks that will embarass/incriminate this administration. I think the CIA knows a lot more about the facts of 9/11 which might prove fatal to Dimson.....bring 'em on!!!!

Interesting bit here:

Whammo! NBC has a late report that the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate whether the White House broke federal law by exposing the identity of one of its undercover employees, Valerie Plame, to retaliate against her husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson.

Wilson of course is the former foreign service officer who made the trip to Niger to investigate those claims of uranium sales to Iraq.

The way this works is that the CIA does its own investigation to determine whether there is reason to believe laws were broken. But the CIA has no law enforcement powers itself. So it makes a referral to the Justice Department, which obviously does have law enforcement powers. If the folks at Justice concur in the Agency's determination that there is reason to believe that laws were broken, they then task the FBI with mounting a formal criminal investigation.

On it's face, this news tonight almost certainly means that the CIA's internal investigation concluded that laws were broken or that there was sufficient evidence of wrong-doing for a criminal investigation to be undertaken.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

You can be sure the CIA already knows what happened. They're just "asking" the DOJ, "Hey, does this violate any laws, what they did?" LOL The case is already closed. This is just a referral.
And somehow I doubt they're just asking about it. Prolly more like demanding something be done. And the DOJ had better heed. You know, I can remember a time about 40 years ago when the CIA got really angry at the White House, and it didn't turn out pretty.
Someone in the administration has got to go down for this.

Its the woman who was caught on the Austin Post Office video, mailing the Bush's fake practice debate tapes to the Democratic congressman in the 2000 election.

Rove will claim that he tried to give that lady a second chance.

He'll explain, "You see, after she pled guilty to sending those debate tapes, she found God, so I hired her to work at the White House. I was grooming her for the Press Secretary job when she suddenly flipped out again, and told this nasty spy stuff to Novak."

He'll claim he never dreamed she would do something like that a second time.

"Poor me," Karl Rove will say, "I was nieve. But I believe God will forgive me. There's enough blame to go around to everyone..."

Cheney? Libby?

Also, I don't share the opinon of most here that the CIA is in anyway in any administrations's pocket. I imagine the people over there are entirely hard working group trying to serve their country. The same way with the career people at Justice.

Most denizens of these institutions are professionals serving their country, often at significant personal sacrifice.

Yes, Midwest, I want to know the need to know in this thing. Assuming KKKarl is at least one of those with a felony in his future, how did he come to know this classified information? Is his desk cluttered with 'raw' Agency personnel files? Is that the sound of shredders at the White House? Won't help you pals, the trail of such information is a stock in trade for those you attacked, fools. If, as is highly probable, Novak talked by phone for this with the WH, then we could probably hear the conversation on a CD from the NSA. Or, at least the judge could hear it.

The way this unfolds, a special prosecutor followed by a probable Congressional investigation, will almost certainly have to expose the OSP, and the whole private, IranContra-style 'enterprise' to subvert other agencies. I expect many yet unnamed crimes lurk behind the doors this incident has now unlocked. There is no way out for them, their doom is inevitable now.

...when there was a chance to embarrass Wes Clark for the "Rove didn't return my calls" allegations, phone records from Rove's office were produced in less than 24 hours. I imagine a quick look at Rove's phone records in July would reveal whether or not he spoke to Novak.

And a karmic boomerang of exquisite justice.

:toast:

White House Iraq Group. WHIG was formed by Andy Card in August of 2002 to market the invasion.

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

The first days of September would bring some of the most important decisions of the prewar period: what to demand of the United Nations in the president's Sept. 12 address to the General Assembly, when to take the issue to Congress, and how to frame the conflict with Iraq in the midterm election campaign that began in earnest after Labor Day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A39500-2003Aug9¬Found=true

To me, the most interesting part of the description of WHIG is the participation of Rove, Hughes, Matalin and Wilkinson plus the reference of how to benefit politically from the invasion of Iraq. I think the decision to reveal the information about Wilson's wife probably was initially made by WHIG and later approved by Cheney. Maybe even Whistle Ass.

I am hoping that the investigation of the disclosure of the information on Wilson's wife will lead to a broader investigation of what I think are the three most important questions about the invasion of Iraq (from the standpoint of revealing the criminal behavior of Whistle Ass and his minions):

1. Who made the decision to use a campaign of lies to market the invasion of Iraq? (Turd Blossom Rove? Whistle Ass? Cheney? Roger Ailes? Rush Limbaugh?Someone else?)

2. When was that decision made? (Before or after January, 2001? or September 11, 2001? or March, 2002 when Bush told three Senators in Rice's office: "Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out."? or September 2002 when Andrew Card said about trying to sell the American people on the invasion of Iraq: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."?)

3. Why was that decision made? (Political reasons? Financial reasons? Personal reasons? Religious reasons? Other reasons?)

I think the answers to these questions would reveal a criminal conspiracy much broader than the decision to out Wilson's wife.

that the inevitable special prosecutor will open.

As easy as 1, 2, 3.

Will Robert Novak allow this patsy to fall? Or, once the lie is rolled out to the public, will he drop the journalistic standard of not naming your sources to save an innocent person?

Jay

He'd freakin' find out the score.

1.Bush
2.Cheney
3.Rice
4.Powell
5. Rove
6. Who is going to investigate this crime?

"CIA seeks probe OF WH. Agency asks JUSTICE...."

That means dept of Justice- FBI

Well I'm sure he will investigate it NOT but then if he doesn't then he is negligent at prosecuting evildoers!

PLEASE SAY IT IS SO! PLEASE SAY IT IS SO!

Is my guess.

Can someone screen capture or mirror this MSNBC article before it gets pulled?

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

:toast:

. somebody is going down for this one.

I'm not finding anyone else picking it up yet.

He's the CIA's main squeeze at the Washington Post. Haven't heard anything out of him on this.

take to the streets, because the situation is hopeless.

Look what happened to the FBI's two year investigation of the pre-9/11 stock market speculations.

Just last week the FBI came out with the results of their investigation and said, "Nothing suspicious here" which in light of the evidence of the trades that anyone can see, is quite bogus.

Besides, Bush will pardon anybody they catch.

...couldn't find ANYTHING at Free Republic. I can't wait to read how they defend breaking the law by outing an agent, thus weakening National Security.

There is no Limbauh, Hannity or O'Reilley to give them their talking points. Come Monday we'll be hearing the standard drivel.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990437/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990405/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990487/posts

The consensus appears to be that the LordGodBush did not lie about the uranium therefore the criminal activity by someone in the White House is either excusable, irrelevant or did not occur. However, there is a minority opinion that the joy of freedom kissing the LordGodBush's rectum does not excuse the criminal activity.

and Bactine. Not all of them are delusional. They realise this is very bad news. But I had to LOL when I read some posts that stated that their hero EmptyFlightSuit would fix everything by cleaning up the White House. They all think Wilson is lying.

Starting with my favorite:

George Tenet is not to be trusted. How dare he rat to the press about this matter. Bush should bring back Jim Woolsey to be CIA head. I also don't trust Tenet because he is Lebanese, and a bit too friendly with the Zogbies. I cannot understand why Tenet, Muller and Condi Rice kept their jobs after they completely failed before 9/11. Bush should dump the first two, and push Rice to challenge Barbara Boxer, if only to get rid of her. This Administration is ill-served by this woman.


82 posted on 09/27/2003 10:38 AM EDT by montag813

This whole thing smells fishy and like potential trouble for our boy. Big liberal contingent within CIA capable of political skullduggery.


11 posted on 09/27/2003 12:16 AM EDT by NutCrackerBoy

This whole story is very strange. First, I am not sure if the CIA, the organization, ask Wilson to go. But rather, "someone" or a few people working there. Wilson said he knew Cheney received a report of his mission, Cheney denies this. The part that doesn't seem to add up is that he made NO written report of his findings, only verbal. I wonder if that "verbal" report was given to his wife, who recommended him for the trip. It may be that this is normal, but if no written report was made then whoever he reported to and himself are the only ones that can tell the story. Ah, such is the life of spies. This story is only the beginning. That's what you get when you let previous political appointees stay. Get rid of Tenet!!!


16 posted on 09/27/2003 12:21 AM EDT by calchey

By the way, that supposed forged document that all these accusations are based on, was forged by European leftists, perhaps with the complicity of France. If I were Tenet, I would be investigating Wilson's possible connection to that fraud.


17 posted on 09/27/2003 12:21 AM EDT by Richard Axtell

I firmly believe truth will triumph over the effort to resuscitate this pathetic mish mash of a story.

That means no big problems, just a bunch of pain in the rear dems and their handmaidens in the media.


25 posted on 09/27/2003 12:30 AM EDT by cyncooper

I don't know, maybe Bush should fire Tenet and put his own guy in there. He may still get criticism from the CIA, but at least he can trust it.


34 posted on 09/27/2003 12:46 AM EDT by virgil

To: virgil

Didn't Nixon try something like that?


36 posted on 09/27/2003 12:51 AM EDT by Brian S


From:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990437/posts

This could be just a cover or damage control.

He was probably Bragging Lookie what I know to everybody! and I BET he told lots of people his source!

I can't believe Novak with that Big Mouth of his would keep it shut!

No he was told to Trash Wilson's Wife and He did it with a Smile!

:evilgrin: And the News Editor who let it pass is in BIG Trouble too!

CIA is realizing our country isn't under control of Republicans its under control of a group of a Powerful FreeMason Christian fanatical group which is taking over this country and though CIA thought they could be controlled the CIA found out the cabal was looking to DESTOY the CIA and replace it with Tom Ridge Homeland Security

That was the CIA wake up call!

:bounce:

the Today show, cable news/talk, etc, that there is no mention. I may have missed it, could have been on a crawl, etc.

The only reference in a google news search besides the MSNBC link is a Capitol Hill Blue re-write of the link info. It only adds "The White House refused to comment on this report", but I don't consider CHB a reliable source, and the refusal comment might actually refer to the original allegation and not the CIA call for investigation.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_3138.shtml

Maybe the press is trying to do additional reporting and they are not ready yet? Or maybe they want to get started on their course of Cipro first?

(I must not overlook Josh Marshall at TPM, google news search or not)
talkingpointsmemo.com

then it's been through-the-looking-glass time ever since November 2000.

And the CIA isn't a monolith; it's a labyrinth. One with, unarguably, some very dark passages, but it's not a 24/7 all-evil, all-the-time organization. I have no doubt that many employees are serving their country honourably. The CIA vets representing the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity prove that. Ray McGovern, for instance - a CIA analyst for 27 years who gave intelligence briefings to Bush the First. Here are McGovern's words:

"Wolfowitz, when Cheney was still Secretary of Defense, composed the Defense Posture Statement in 1991. And guess what? It bore all the earmarks of the policy that has now been introduced and actually implemented with the war in Iraq. It was so outlandish that someone leaked it to the Pentagon, and as soon as it hit the press, the first George Bush (with the advice of General Scowcroft and Jim Baker), called Cheney on the carpet and said, 'Look, I don’t know about this Wolfowitz fellow, but make sure he destroys all copies.' Now isn’t it the height of irony that his son not only becomes captivated by these folks, but his son is actually instrumental in implementing the policies that they advocated, the policies which earned them the name 'the crazies' – which is the name at which they were known at the highest policy levels."
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/8-07-03/discussion.cgi.69.html

Ray McGovern in interview with Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani:

Lisa Guliani: Ray, President Clinton had some serious issues with credibility in part due to his adulterous sexual relationship with an intern. We found out he lied. People were outraged. Based on the lies that are coming out now in regard to this administration, how can people look to President Bush with any modicum of respect – doesn’t he also have credibility issues as well? Shouldn’t we (the people) be furious?

Ray McGovern: Well Lisa, I have a dubious distinction here. I lost a lot of my friends who were on the liberal side of things because I was very much in favor of Bill Clinton not only being impeached, but being removed from office. And the reason for that was, it’s not acceptable to me for someone lying under oath, and if that someone is the President of the United States, it’s even more unacceptable. The answer was, “Oh, don’t you know Ray, the Republicans are out to get us? Don’t you know that this is all political?” YEAH, I know all that stuff, but when you lie under oath, that’s an impeachable offense. So I feel like I can comment freely on this other business that you raised, Lisa. If you compare the sins committed, so to speak, sexual activity in the White House or with Nixon lying about a third-rate burglary – if you compare those with what is now known – and that is the deliberate use of forged information, knowing it was forged, to trick our elected representatives to vote for an unprovoked war, well I would suggest that the comparison speaks for itself. And if one is impeachable, then I believe the other should be as well.

Link: http://www.babelmagazine.com/issue112/nwox112.html

doesn't open an investigation for the CIA then that means every CIA agent can be outed at anytime. Which means they aren't even safe from their own country and we as a nation are even less safe then we already knew.

This is more the Outing a CIA operative and possibly having her contacts injured or kill but this also violates our National Security. I thought Republicans didn't do that, use partisian politcs against National Security. Now this really is an impeachable offense.

Anyone else sending it around?