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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:31 PM
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Wis. professor to test stun guns on pigs (Some will be given Cocaine)
Posted on Mon, Mar. 28, 2005
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Wis. professor to test stun guns on pigs
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RYAN J. FOLEY
Associated Press
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MADISON, Wis. - A professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison plans to study whether stun guns alone can kill pigs - or whether other medical factors must be at play - as part of an effort to understand why 70 people have died in North America since 2001 after being shocked by Tasers.

Led by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, outraged animal rights activists are calling for an end to the two-year study by John Webster, a professor emeritus of biomedical engineering.

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Webster wants to test his hypothesis that Taser-related deaths were the result of heart failure fueled by drug use and other medical factors, not electrocution by the devices. To do so, researchers will begin in the next month studying how Taser electrical currents flow through 150-pound pigs.

Of three groups of pigs in the study, one will be given cocaine, one will be shocked with the devices, and one will be given both cocaine and electric blasts. Some will be subjected to Webster's "SuperTaser," up to 30 times as powerful as the model police use. All pigs will be on anesthesia so they won't feel pain.

complete story: http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/nation/11253671.htm
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:33 PM
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1. meanwhile ward churchill is in danger of being fired
the whole world has gone mad
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:33 PM
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2. Pigs on cocaine...
uh-oh, flying pigs.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:53 AM
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16. Didn't the Muppets already do this ?
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:14 AM
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35. Oh yeah! When miss piggy was in the woman's room
"I said GODDAMN, goddamn, goddamn" :)
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:34 PM
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3. If they want to test a pig on oxycontin
I know the perfect test subject :)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:36 PM
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5. Good call
n/t
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:37 PM
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7. You are a bad, bad person....
:spank:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:11 AM
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29. ROTFLMAO!
Very good.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:35 PM
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4. How totally stupid.
nt
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:11 AM
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12. I agree
This serves no purpose other than torturing an animal.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:36 PM
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6. Madison, home of the Harry Harlow Primate Center too.
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Dharma_Bum Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:38 PM
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8. This is bad but ...
Now when I just glanced at the subject line, I'm thinking:
"'Pigs'? their testing stun guns on cops NOW?"
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:42 PM
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9. Welcome to DU, Dharma Bum!
Edited on Mon Mar-28-05 11:43 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
Personally, I think anyone who's going to be using one ought to know what it feels like before they go taser happy. And that goes for the guys who're testing them on pigs, too.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:49 PM
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10. Welcome...
and a million Kerouacs to you:

..............and so on.



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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:37 AM
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14. Bullshit!
You said a million, I wanna see a million! :mad: :silly:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:12 AM
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30. Not so bad, and funny
as hell!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:53 PM
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11. Burn in hell, animal torturer!
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Torgo Johnson Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:31 AM
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13. Blackwell Sucks to test stun guns on Wis. professor
I may give him some cocaine, but then again, probably not.





NOTE: I am not seriously advocating that a certain professor from Wisconsin be tested on multiple times with stun guns. One test would be fine.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:49 AM
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15. wouldn't anesthesia corupt the tests?
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:10 AM
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25. Welcome to DU obxhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 04:12 AM by Dark
I don't think so. The idea is to see if it kills the pig, not if it causes pain.

And I think the idea is to see if the cocaine makes the animals more likely to die after the taser, cause, after all, those criminals weren't on cocaine, or PCP, or heroin, or meth.

They were on DRUGS :o

On edit: I'm an idiot.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:28 AM
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27. Good point, well made n/t
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 12:54 AM
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17. This is what I call evil
Many "researchers" be they professors or scientists or whatever are sadistic bastards who would pee their pants if they were treated the way they treat animals in a helpless manner. Many of their experiments don't do a damn bit of good for anything.

Sounds to me he's looking to get cops off the hook for killing people.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:05 AM
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18.  there are plenty of coked out pigs at Fox
" W' & the jebbster were coked out pigs till they found power and money addictions..
the only way to make a living in science when scum maggots run the country is to do evil crap like torture and creating the nice new field of non leathal weapons to be used against the poor.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:06 AM
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19. This sucks. Why do these innocent creatures have to
suffer for our stupidity?
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:25 AM
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20. Is it possible to anesthetize a pig stimulated with cocaine?
Aren't the two drug effects opposites, potentially canceling one another?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:36 AM
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24. If anything
I'd guess the cocaine would enhance a general anesthetic, since cocaine was once regularly used as a local anesthetic.
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azndndude Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:27 AM
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21. Is there a email or phone # to express our outrage???
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:56 AM
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22. The best LBN post title ever!
:applause:

Hey, if the guy wants to test his stun gun, I know of some human subjects that would be quite willing to let him test it on them if he gives them cocaine.

Hey, teacher! Leave those pigs alone!

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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 03:23 AM
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23. coke & ether? What kinda high is that? (Good ham sandwiches)
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:41 AM
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26. sorry - I just hafta share this pig joke here!
.
.
.

THE YOUNG LAD WHO HAD BEEN COURTING THE FARMERS DAUGHER WAS FINALLY INVITED TO JOIN THE FAMILY FOR ITS THANKSGIVING DINNER.

FOOD WAS IN ABUNDANCE WITH VEGETABLES AND POTATOES FROM THEIR GARDEN ALONG WITH TURKEY, A LEG OF HAM AND ALL THE DRESSINGS. DURING DINNER, THE YOUNG LAD NOTICED THAT THE FAMILY HAD A PET PIG WITH THREE MEDALS AROUND ITS NECK.

THE LAD ASKED WHAT WERE THE MEDALS FOR. THE FARMER REPLIED PROUDLY "WELL, THE RED ONE IS FOR THE TIME HE SAVED MY YOUNGEST BOY WHEN HE FELL IN THE WELL. THE PIG CAME SQUEALING TO THE HOUSE, RAN AROUND IN CIRCLES TILL WE CAME OUT AND WE FOLLOWED HIM TO THE WELL WHERE MY YOUNGEST HAD FALLEN IN. WE PULLED HIM OUT AND SAVED HIS LIFE.

THE GREEN ONE IS FOR WHEN HE SAVED OUR BARN FROM BURNING BY PULLING OUT A BURNING BALE OF HAY TO THE YARD WHERE IT DID NO HARM.

THE WHITE ONE IS FOR THE TIME HE SAVED OUR CHICKENS FROM A ROVING FOX BY CHASING IT AWAY.

"AMAZING!" - REPLIED THE LAD, BUT THEN HE NOTICED THAT THE PIG HAD A WOODEN LEG.

"WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PIG'S LEG?" HE ASKED.

"WELLL-- DRAWLED THE FARMER,

"A PIG LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T EAT ALL AT ONCE!"

:silly:

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:09 AM
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28. These animals will be anaesthetized.
No self-respecting IACUC would permit otherwise.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 10:53 AM
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31. First of all, there is no correlation
Between a pig on anesthesia, and the ordinary human being tasered. None.
Secondly, it is absolutely wrong that the ASPCA and the laws governing humane treatment for lab animals, only covers SMALL animals. There is no provision whatsoever for "farm" animals, so they can do whatever they want to them.
More and more, animal testing is being shown to be useless, in the pharmaceutical world, and elsewhere. What works or does not work on animals, does not necessarily translate to humans.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:06 AM
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32. Pigs snort, so they're perfect for this experiment...

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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:12 AM
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33. Cocaine? where do I sign up?
:smoke:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 11:13 AM
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34. Sounds Like a PAAAAAAAAARRRRRTYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
:woohoo:

I'll bring the Chivas!
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