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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:45 PM
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Ex-CIA Chiefs Rebut Bush Panel Conclusions
WASHINGTON -- Two former CIA chiefs on Friday disputed claims cited by a presidential commission that agency officials warned them that the government's leading source on Iraq's biological weapons had a reputation for making things up.
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In separate statements Friday, Tenet and former acting CIA Director John McLaughlin denied the accounts.

"It is deeply troubling to me that there was information apparently available within CIA as of late September or October of 2002 indicating that Curveball may have been a fabricator," Tenet said in a detailed seven-page rebuttal. "There is nothing more serious or galvanizing in the intelligence business than associating the word fabricator with a human source."

McLaughlin said "unequivocally" that he wouldn't have allowed Curveball's information to be used "if someone had made these doubts clear."

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-intelligence-curveball,0,4037340.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:00 PM
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1. Our amazing currency: The buck stops...nowhere.
:eyes:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:04 PM
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2. Geez, how come they didn't look into other DIA sources who knew
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1699842&mesg_id=1699842&page=

Shows us Patrick Lang and the DIA weren't pleased about the OSP stovepiping of false information on WMDs.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:09 PM
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3. (Here's Reuters) Former CIA Chief Disputes Warning Over Iraq Data
Former CIA Chief Disputes Warning Over Iraq Data

Fri Apr 1, 2005 07:25 PM ET

By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former CIA Director George Tenet on Friday disputed that he was warned about problems with an Iraqi source just hours before Secretary of State Colin Powell argued the U.S. case against Iraq at the United Nations, using the source's information. A presidential commission issued a scathing report on Thursday about U.S. intelligence on weapons of mass destruction that said the Bush administration relied on unsubstantiated intelligence from an Iraqi chemical engineer code-named "Curveball" that Iraq had mobile biological weapons labs.

Tenet and his deputy John McLaughlin issued lengthy statements on Friday saying they were not alerted before the war to concerns about the veracity of the Iraqi source, who was being handled by German authorities. Powell pointed to the mobile labs as key evidence in his case against Iraq to the United Nations in February 2003, about a month before the U.S.-led invasion.

Despite declarations by the Bush administration about President Saddam Hussein's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq in what has been called a major intelligence failure. At the center of the dispute is a phone call on the eve of the Powell speech.

A now-retired division chief from the CIA's clandestine unit told the presidential commission that Tenet called him at about midnight on the day before Powell's speech and during the conversation he told the CIA chief that there were problems with some of the foreign intelligence.

(more at link above)
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:46 PM
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4. Notice they don't mention the fact that Curveball was the BROTHER OF...
one of the top aide of AHMAD "thanks, suckers!" CHALABI.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:09 AM
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5. Foxes agree: No fox is responsible for the great henhouse massacre
All eyes are on a rogue rooster who was rebuffed in a complicated henhouse affair.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 08:18 AM
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6. Ex-CIA Chiefs Rebut Bush Panel Conclusions
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-intelligence-curveball,0,4037340.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

WASHINGTON -- Two former CIA chiefs on Friday disputed claims cited by a presidential commission that agency officials warned them that the government's leading source on Iraq's biological weapons had a reputation for making things up.

In a scathing report released Thursday, President Bush's intelligence commission found that the CIA "failed to convey to policy-makers new information casting serious doubt on the reliability of a human intelligence source known as 'Curveball.'" The commission found that several agency officers said they had doubts about the source and raised those doubts with senior leadership, including then-CIA Director George Tenet.

In separate statements Friday, Tenet and former acting CIA Director John McLaughlin denied the accounts.

"It is deeply troubling to me that there was information apparently available within CIA as of late September or October of 2002 indicating that Curveball may have been a fabricator," Tenet said in a detailed seven-page rebuttal. "There is nothing more serious or galvanizing in the intelligence business than associating the word fabricator with a human source."

McLaughlin said "unequivocally" that he wouldn't have allowed Curveball's information to be used "if someone had made these doubts clear."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8066496

Former CIA Chief Disputes Warning Over Iraq Data

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former CIA Director George Tenet on Friday disputed that he was warned about problems with an Iraqi source just hours before Secretary of State Colin Powell argued the U.S. case against Iraq at the United Nations, using the source's information. snip

Powell pointed to the mobile labs as key evidence in his case against Iraq to the United Nations in February 2003, about a month before the U.S.-led invasion.

Despite declarations by the Bush administration about President Saddam Hussein's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq in what has been called a major intelligence failure.

At the center of the dispute is a phone call on the eve of the Powell speech.

A now-retired division chief from the CIA's clandestine unit told the presidential commission that Tenet called him at about midnight on the day before Powell's speech and during the conversation he told the CIA chief that there were problems with some of the foreign intelligence. snip

McLaughlin said he and Tenet were not alerted until late 2003 or early 2004 when an e-mail expressing skepticism about Curveball came to light in the course of internal reviews.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:24 AM
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7. kick
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:40 PM
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8. Color Me Confused
Didn't Powell himself have questions about this information before he made his case? Didn't I read several places that the CIA was questioning the info. And by read, I mean in the press available on the newsstand, not in some secret CIA communique. Didn't weapons inspectors question this info? Did I dream all this? Does anybody but me remember serious official doubts AT THE TIME about WMD if you read anything deeper than the cover of Newsweek?

If anybody with access to a printing press (or whatever you call them nowadays) remembers half of what I remember about what was being said during the build-up to this war, why is this farcical panel report not being questioned?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 06:35 PM
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9. Office of Special Plans
This office was created by Rumsfailed and VP Cheney. The intell was cherry picked from the CIA and drafted at OSP to make the case for WMDs. Tenet and Powell and the entire Bush Junta knew the case Powell made at the UN was manure.

This is a giant Cover Up!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 08:07 PM
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10. Headline:
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 08:09 PM by BeFree
Bush gets thrown a Curveball: Strikes Out!

or:

Bush Strikes Out On Curveball: Goes Down Swinging!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:03 AM
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11. CIA simply provides propaganda and coup services for POTUS.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:00 PM
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12. A master of the obvious speaks......................
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:22 PM
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13. Limit CIA Role To Intelligence By Harry S Truman (WP 12/22/63)
... I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility ...

For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda ...

But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere ...

http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html

If, after forty years, we're really not going to follow Harry's advice, perhaps the time has come simply to abolish The Agency ...

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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:28 AM
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14. I just finished "Truman" by David McCullough
What a guy he was! A great comparison can be made to the modern day theatrical, pip squeak that lives in our white house. Where's a Truman commission when we really need one?
I was also interested to learn about how the repukes of Truman's time were sooooo nasty toward all things Democratic. Some things never change I guess.
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