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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:32 PM
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AP Poll: New Pope Should Push for Change


Most Americans — Catholics and non-Catholics alike — want the next pope to allow priests to marry and women to join the priesthood, a major break from church rules and the judgment of Pope John Paul II, according to an Associated Press poll.

The charismatic pontiff was held in high regard by a majority of Americans and most Catholics, with many suggesting that John Paul will be remembered as one of the greatest popes. For many, the man who led the church for 26 years is the only pope they know.

But affection for John Paul has hardly eliminated the cultural divisions between the United States and the Vatican over the ordination of women, celibacy for priests and the role of lay people in the church.

The sex abuse scandal that has rocked the church has left many Catholics and other Americans convinced that the next pope must do more about predatory clergy. Eighty-six percent of Americans and 82 percent of the Catholics surveyed said greater steps were imperative.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:39 PM
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1. Americans.....
why do we think we are so damn important? American Catholics make up a small percentage of Catholics worldwide and the Catholic church is oriented to the third world. I hardly think the Vatican will change based on what we want. Would be nice, but it isn't going to happen.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:41 PM
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2. Unless, of course, they want our money.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:41 PM
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3. I think it's interesting...
that the Church, operating off 13th century-style thinking, is booming in the third world and losing popularity in the western world. Maybe that should be a hint that they're operating a tad...in the past.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:48 PM
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4. they're afraid of change
afraid if they allow priests to marry, allow birth control, women priests, etc. that Catholicism will then resemble other Christian religions too much.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:52 PM
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6. I really belileve the Catholic church is afraid of change
I don't think the reason is resembling other Christian religions, this comes down to proving they are the one and true church. If they change, they may not be the one true church.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:56 PM
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8. You said it better
it's the one and true church concept I left out. :hi:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:51 PM
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5. That's a Hell of a chalice.
Looks like a golf trophy that lost it's gold golfer.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:54 PM
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7. Guess it all comes down to Ego
a great sin in the Catholic churc.

All I know something has to give in the Catholic Church. I believe is giving up the ego.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:19 PM
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9. They began to change, with John XXIII back in the 60s
He was even more popular than JPII. Very progressive, a breath of fresh air. Instituted Vatican II. Unfortunately, he was old and was replaced by do-nothing Paul IV, who began the trek back to the Dark Ages.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:50 PM
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10. Vatican II wasn't popular with everyone...
There were a lot of older Catholics who felt a sense of loss when Mass began to be spoken in English and when folky hymns and responsorials began to replace the music they were familiar with.
The idea of having confession face to face instead of in a confessional was unspeakable to many; and we won't even talk about how threatening it was to suddenly have women cantors and nuns wearing shorter habits.

The Catholic Church needs to help its faithful understand that change is inevitable...that all things must evolve or become extinct. I'd really like to see them come out of the closet and acknowledge that scientific understanding of the Earth and Man's existence is a gift from God.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:33 AM
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11. I was an ecumenical Lutheran
and I used to go to the Latin Mass now and then. I thought it very interesting and mysterious and mystical and I rather missed it when it was phased out. I did notice the congregations did not sing much in those days.
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