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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:57 AM
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Ex-Presidents, Bush to Go to Pope Funeral




WASHINGTON - Former Presidents Bush and Clinton will accompanying President Bush to the funeral of Pope John Paul II, the White House announced Tuesday. Also attending will be Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.




President Bush and his wife, Laura, will lead the five-member group representing the United States at the funeral on Friday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Bush is leaving Washington for Rome on Wednesday, and was to have meetings with foreign leaders Thursday. The president planned to leave Italy immediately after the funeral to spend the weekend at his ranch in Texas.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/20050405/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pope&sid=84439559
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:58 AM
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1. What are they...
like a tag-team trio now? Why don't they throw CArter in the mix and make it a foursome? ;-)
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:59 AM
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3. or
dig up our "Founding Fathers" and bring them along for the ride. I'm sure they'd LOVE what we did with the place since they left.
</sarcasm>
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:00 AM
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5. you forgot Ford
and zombie Reagan.
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:01 AM
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7. Ford
would probably forget himself, no offense. But Zombie Reagan would defenitely "liven" up the party </sarcasm> ;-)
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:00 AM
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6. I was wondering that
Carter should go unless he is ill ...........notice the bushs had to have Clinton.to show them how to act in a public place.how to walk and stand with style and grace....
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 04:25 PM
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48. I heard on the radio that Carter was invited to go but declined
No reason was given.

Ford is in quite frail condition and probably couldn't make the trip.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:04 AM
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11. The Ex-Presidents!!!!

Too bad they're not *all* ex-Presidents.

If there's any justice in the world, something Biblical will take place.

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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:06 AM
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13. or at least slightly comical
a'la Three Stooges or something. :-)
...or "Stooge, Wimp, and Blowjob" or something. Too bad I idolize Clinton in many respects... why did he have to be put in the same bunk as the Bush duo???? :-(
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:23 AM
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22. I think having Clinton along
may lessen Bush's attempt to benefit from this politically. I think that's the real reason he's planning to go. No sitting president has ever attended a papal funeral.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:37 AM
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30. I think you're right. I love seeing Clinton and B* together in public,
because Clinton always shows him up!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:32 AM
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28. Bob Dole should go as a stiff for a "Viagra" commerical
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:33 AM
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29. I Think Carter Has More Integrity
My opinion of Bill Clinton is shredding daily over his continued fraternization with America's enemies.

I don't care if the man is "President" and I don't care if his father was. Actions speak louder than words.

Bill is driving Hillary's future right in the ground, what portion of it she hasn't already destroyed by impolitic remarks and votes.
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 03:06 PM
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45. Opinion of Clinton
I agree, every time I see Clinton sucking up to the BFEE's it makes me sick. They're all cut from the same piece of cloth and the democratic party can go to hell. It's time for a whole new political party in this country. The dems are finished and good riddance.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:26 AM
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57. I like the Big Dog but he has some serious character flaws.
I cannot say I really trust him. He will often do what is politically expedient or what is most beneficial to him.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:59 AM
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2. we need Clinton...
so he can "classy up" our delegation
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:05 AM
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12. what a great photo...
those were the days.... :(
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:35 PM
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36. They NEED Clinton to be there...otherwise they'd got booed.
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 12:38 PM by Auntie Bush
So they consider Clinton's presence Boo Insurance. No one would ever boo the Boob with Cinton near.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:42 PM
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38. Bingo! You nailed it! Clinton is BOO INSURANCE. -eom
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 02:31 PM
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43. LOL! Boo insurance...I like that.
.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:59 AM
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4. Why isn't Bush taking Carter?
Carter is the most Christian of any president we've had.
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:06 AM
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14. Carter not invited
Carter was not asked to join because he has openly criticized this Administration's policies and the war in Iraq.
I agree. If anyone, it should be Carter,the holiest of all the Presidents,should go.Carter probably is holier than some of the Popes!!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:26 AM
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25. In a nutshell!
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:28 AM
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26. That could be a factor
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 04:28 PM
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49. I heard the opposite, Carter was invited but declined
I heard this on DC's all news WTOP this afternoon.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:05 PM
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32. it would flipping serve him right if Carter came on his own and
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 12:06 PM by gkhouston
camped out in a sleeping bag at the stadium with the hoi polloi. Carter's certainly been the most active among the living presidents when it comes to humanitarian causes and I wouldn't be surprised if he were also the most genuinely spiritual, although God's really the only person who can truly sort that one out. ;-)

on edit: Secret Service men in sleeping bags at the stadium. I get the giggles just imagining the conniptions they'd have.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:18 PM
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33. The U.S. didn't have an ambassador to the Vatican until Reagan.
Until the Reagan administration, it was regarded as an inappropriate recognition of a single religion. :shrug:
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:54 PM
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42. Yep, ambassador to the Vatican was non other than....
Cokie Roberts' mother. Don't know her name but she served for 12 years.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 02:44 PM
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44. Lindy Boggs
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 02:46 PM by comsymp
widow of former Rep. Hale Boggs, D-LA.

ON EDIT: and Congresswoman in her own right after succeeding her late husband.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:22 PM
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34. apparently they did approach Carter about going...
snip:
It wasn't immediately clear why former President Carter was not going along as well. McClellan said the White House reached out to him but would not elaborate. A spokesman with his Carter Center in Atlanta, Jon Moore, also would not explain.

link to entire article:

http://neworleans.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D899BN4G1


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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:37 PM
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37. he probably does not want to be seen grandstanding on the pope bandwagon
The idea of Bush and oily bastards like Frist camera-hogging at the Pope's funeral probably turns his stomach - like it does mine.

These hypocritical assholes hope to have a little "Pope love" rub off on them. Bush probably thinks he'll get to make a freakin' speech at St. Peters!!!

Carter has enough sense, tact and diplomacy to see this road show for what it is and distance himself from it. Class act, Jimmy.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:18 PM
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61. Jimmy = CLass. Boosh** = __ass.
No, seriously, ladies and germs, we all know by now that Our Glorious Leader just OOZES class. He oozes class out of every pore of his body! He even leaves little puddles of class everywhere he walks, like the trail a snail leaves over a sidewalk in the morning. (Careful you don't slip on it!)

If boosh** ever intended to make a speech at St. Peters, it'd only be to try to browbeat the cardinals into electing Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson.
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MollyStark Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:43 PM
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39. Carter doesn't want to be seen with the Anti-Christ
in a crowd of Catholics.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:02 AM
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8. Opportunity for Bush to pretend his is a Christian. And human.
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scavok Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:20 AM
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21. Pardon my cynicism
but Bush is going to the funeral to gloat. The Pope was one of the biggest voices against the war in Iraq and now he is dead. Deep in his neocon frat-boy heart, Bush is still both anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic.

It doesn't bother him in the least that his security demands are completely over the top. Or that this trip to a country that hates him rabidly may cost Premier Silvio Berlusconi politically. In fact, these inconveniences make things that much more fun for Bush.

He needs to bring the other Presidents with him so that they can keep him from being too obvious with his glee.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:03 AM
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9. I wonder if they'll let * use the popemobile
he's such a chicken I can't believe he will really attend this huge event.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:03 AM
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Wonder how poppie feels about the Pope thinking his son...
is the anti-christ? :shrug:
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:07 AM
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15. Good one. Here's the link for those who missed this.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:03 AM
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10. How many planes of Security will they take and how many
Italians will be involved in protecting the biggest jerk that ever hit Washington D.C.?

Are you surprised Rome even offered an invite? Buddy buddy kiss kiss
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:08 AM
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17. I bet the Italians are THRILLED they get to provide daycare for
Shrub and his 3-ring security circus!:blush: What an embarrassment!!!

Peace!
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 06:47 PM
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52. If I were * I wouldn't trust my security
to Berlusconi and the Italian Secret Service at this point. This is the land of Machiavelli and the Borgias.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:08 AM
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16. Notice bu$h needs another vacation?
"leave Italy immediately after the funeral to spend the weekend at his ranch in Texas"

Funerals are just too much for him, he must go cut some brush
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:09 AM
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18. Bush is going to "lead" the delegation
I bet he loves it that he is seen as leading Bill Clinton.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:11 AM
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19. bush can't lead his way to the toliet N/t
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:26 AM
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24. LOL
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:14 AM
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20. Is he ever not at that damn ranch???
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 11:17 AM by UCLA Dem
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:26 AM
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23. No kidding!
I guess better that than actually hard at work and turning everything he touches to shit--he's like some kinda Bizarro King Midas that way.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:28 AM
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27. Will he be taking Bob Jones as well? What about Jack T. Ch?ick
since his readers obviously vote republican
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:59 AM
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31. to spend the weekend at his ranch in texas
this little sob needs to park his ass in dc and stay put. He costs too much of OUR money for him to travel and he's had plenty of vacation time already.
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ninty Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:25 PM
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35. Current Canadian Prime Minister
is set to attend the funeral, as well as Jean Chretien who was is a former PM. Paul Martin isn't even Catholic and he's going. I agree that Bush going is positive for him, but there would probably be an outcry if he didn't go. I'm sure most world leaders will attend out of respect, whether their catholic or not.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 03:16 PM
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46. I thought PM the PM was Catholic, but kept a low profile about it ...
Didn't one of our cardinals (not the leftist one in Montreal -- one of the other ones) threaten to excommunicate him re: same sex marriage?
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ninty Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 06:14 PM
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51. My mistake
Paul Martin is a Catholic.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:46 PM
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40. He should be bringing actual Catholics with him - Kerry and Kennedy!
eom
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:08 PM
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41. How about another actually elected president
like Al Gore?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 03:24 PM
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47. i think it would be interesting if at the last minute, Clinton's doctor's
said it would be a bad idea for him to travel at this time. and the bush crime family could go face their boos alone.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 04:33 PM
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50. Carter on the other hand
is probably remembering that Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead" and is putting his time to more valuable use for humanity.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:15 AM
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53. kick to combine
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:15 AM
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54. Bush heads to Vatican for Pope's Funeral
Bush heading to Vatican for Pope's Funeral, accompanied by former Presidents Bush and Clinton

By TOM RAUM Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Apr 6, 2005 — President Bush and his wife Laura left the White House early today to head to Vatican City for the funeral of Pope John Paul II. Bush and two of his predecessors are joining other world leaders in paying a final tribute to the pope, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American presidents.

Bush led a small U.S. delegation that included former President Clinton and Bush's father, the first President Bush, the president's wife Laura, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

"What a great man," Bush, the first sitting president to attend papal burial rites, said of John Paul II ahead of his visit.

"It will be my honor to represent our country in a ceremony marking a remarkable life, a person who stood for freedom and human dignity," he told reporters after a Cabinet meeting Tuesday.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=645302

Shrub, putting the 'fun' back in 'funeral'?????
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:15 AM
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55. Yep, Laura is going Shopping
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:17 AM
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56. She's starting to look more and more like Nancy Raygun every
day...either that or rigor mortis begining to set in after too much body contact with Shrub....
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:48 AM
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58. No kidding...
It's creepy!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:49 AM
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59. Recap of Andrea Mitchell's inside scoop
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:50 PM
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60. Bush heading to pope's funeral, then home to Texas
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 12:51 PM by Judi Lynn
Bush heading to pope's funeral, then home to Texas

WASHINGTON President Bush today headed for the Vatican in anticipation of Friday's funeral for Pope John Paul the Second.

Bush is leading the U-S delegation of First Lady Laura Bush, his father former President George Bush of Houston, former President Bill Clinton and U-S Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

President Bush plans to leave Italy immediately after the funeral to spend the weekend at his ranch near Crawford.
(snip/...)
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3175271

That brush is not going to clear itself.

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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:23 PM
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62. hmmm.. What a conundrum... Rome or Crawford?
I mean, if it were up to me, I'd be staying in Rome for a couple of days.

Rome is way better than Crawford, but then again the majority of we Italians can't stand Dumbya...
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