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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:17 AM
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Military cuts are sharpest in New England
New England has experienced a greater decline in military presence since the end of the Cold War than any other region of the country and is now at risk of losing its only active-duty air and naval bases, according to data compiled by the Globe and government officials.
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Now, New England is bracing to save the operational units that are left: its only remaining air base, in Brunswick, Maine, and only naval base, in New London, Conn. And some political leaders contend that in the push to shutter more facilities this year, a major region of the US homeland, where terrorists struck three years ago and where millions of people reside, could be left vulnerable.

''We cannot forget that it was in the Northeast that the worst terrorist attack on American soil occurred, leaving 3,000 Americans dead," said Senator Olympia Snowe, Republican of Maine. ''Given this new reality in which we live, it is simply unimaginable that this BRAC round would close any more New England facilities."
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''What concerns me is how the forces are moving to a red state-blue state bifurcation," said John Pike, a military scholar at GlobalSecurity.org in Alexandria, Va. ''Most of the bases are in the red states, and the bases in the blue states are mainly in red congressional districts. The military is a normal part of society in red states and not a normal part of society in many blue states."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/04/10/military_cuts_are_sharpest_in_new_england/
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:22 AM
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1. that's because red states
have pretty much nothing else going on. There's going to come a time in this country when certain states do nothing but produce soldiers and certain states are responsible for the economy and education of future generations.

Maybe in the future red states won't even have schools, they'll just have junior military bases.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:32 AM
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2. That may be so, but it's mostly punishment
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 09:32 AM by Redstone
for New England having voted "blue."

And for having Democratic congresspeople and Senators who won't shut up, and for having Jeffords the party-jumper independent, and for having a Republican Senator from Rhode Island who acts like a human being instead of a right-wing robot.

And for the feeling of an awful lot of New Englanders that we'd just as soon join up with Quebec as not...

Redstone
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:00 AM
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3. C'est une idee merveilleuse...
...l'assurance médicale universale
...l'imposition progressive, si assez élevé
...une politique étrangère ratinonale

Inscrivez-vous moi!
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:09 AM
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4. D'accord!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:46 AM
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10. A jestlize nechci mluvit francouzsky, co budu delat?
Mohu, ale to se me nelibi.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:10 PM
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17. Et poutine!
Redstone
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:59 AM
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8. You're right, Redstone --
rewarding their supporters/enablers in the "Heartland" --
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:57 AM
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7. Could be, MR! nt
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:09 AM
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5. Oh yeah, this has been a long time in the works
They've been screwing us out of our military infrastructure ever since they took over Congress.
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:21 AM
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6. What does "closed" mean exactly?
Certainly there is no arguing the cuts, but a few base listed in the article as closed are certainly still active. Westover in Chicopee for example. 10 times a day C-5A's fly over my house.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:26 AM
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9. Yes, w3hat a great idea
let's remove all out military from the coasts and boarders.

While we're at it, we should definitely shut down the first Air-National Guard base that was the first to respond to 9-11, they're obviously slackers anyway.

:sarcasm:

What is with these people, why are we destroying out armed services bases from areas where they can be of the most use? I thought Republicans were for strong military, not wiping out the military.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:05 PM
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11. Nixon did the same thing after the '72 election
He closed the Boston Naval Shipyard, the Newport Navy Base and Quonset Naval Air Station. The latter was a truly Nixonian move: he'd been stationed there at one point...

Hey, it's thanks to Nixon that I got to California when I did.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:31 PM
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12. Punishment yes, but what if you concentrate all your military in red
states, then just tell the blue states, this is the way it's going to be and there's nothing you can do about it, we've got the military on our side so just shut the hell up.

Seems like the first patriots were New Englander's if I remember my history lessons.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:03 PM
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13. Why would they leave the populous region in the country with nothing
while OKC has an army and airforce unit....with Wichita having another air unit and AR having another army unit? It makes no sense...
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:27 PM
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14. There's generally more real estate in the red states ...
which the military needs a lot of. But absolutely a lot of the decision-making is political. The republicans aren't going to lose all those bases and jobs in THEIR territory. Too bad they don't consider national security more important than politics.

National security for republicans = doing everything possible to make the rich richer, while brainwashing the masses that they are safer.

The SHEEP think they are safer with the fkkking gang that ignored "Bin Laden Determined To Strike Inside The United States," and through criminal negligence allowed 9-11 to happen.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:18 PM
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15. Is the government preparing for a civil war and seeing to it that
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 05:20 PM by Auntie Bush
the red states have all the military and weapons? Maybe the Gov. has another motive besides punishment. They are killing two birds with one stone/cut.
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newblewtoo Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:34 PM
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16. Some errors in this piece...
> clip
The list of full-time bases that have closed since the end of the Cold War includes Otis Air Force Base in Sandwich; Pease Air Force Base in Portsmouth, N.H.; the Army's Fort Devens in Ayer; the South Weymouth Naval Air Station; the Portsmouth Naval Base in Kittery, Maine; Loring Air Force Base in Limestone, Maine; Hanscom Air Force Base in Bedford, which no longer has a military airfield; Westover Air Force Base in Chicopee; and Plattsburgh Air Force Base just over the New York border from Vermont. < clop

Last I knew the Portsmouth Naval Base was still open but it may go along with Brunswick and New London this time through. Rumor is Big Dog saved it in the last round.

Keep telling yourself this is not political, click your heels together and you will be in Kansas. Move along folks nothing to see here. Not a political process not a political process.....

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