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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:43 PM
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WP: China Builds a Smaller, Stronger Military
Modernization Could Alter Regional Balance of Power, Raising Stakes for U.S.

Tuesday, April 12, 2005; Page A01

BEIJING -- A top-to-bottom modernization is transforming the Chinese military, raising the stakes for U.S. forces long dominant in the Pacific.

Several programs to improve China's armed forces could soon produce a stronger nuclear deterrent against the United States, soldiers better trained to use high-technology weapons, and more effective cruise and anti-ship missiles for use in the waters around Taiwan, according to foreign specialists and U.S. officials.

In the past several weeks, President Bush and his senior aides, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Director of Central Intelligence Porter J. Goss, have expressed concern over the recent pace of China's military progress and its effect on the regional balance of power.

Their comments suggested the modernization program might be on the brink of reaching one of its principal goals. For the last decade -- at least since two U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups steamed in to show resolve during a moment of high tension over Taiwan in 1996 -- Chinese leaders have sought to field enough modern weaponry to ensure that any U.S. decision to intervene again would be painful and fraught with risk.

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Mr. Flibble Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:44 PM
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1. Cool. America offshores, the companies they offshore to then get the
brains to beat us at our own game.

If corporations aren't traitors to the country that protects them and their "earnings", who isn't anymore? We're own3d all right. By China and the rest. I'd almost laugh if the US declared bankruptcy, for the Chinese who hold their share of our debt won't be any too pleased...
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:07 PM
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2. The Chinese can impose huge costs on neighbors short of war
Their national defense strategy is quite balanced compared to our own out of control defense sector.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:30 PM
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4. China spends a fraction that we spend...about 1/20 on defense.
Bet they're stocking up on Sunburn missles, though.

The biggest "danger" we face is bankrupting ourselves with an out-of-control military budget that is out of sync with any external threat.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 11:27 PM
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5. China isn't negatively leveraged by long lines of projection
...they are defending regional interests. Of course, they are at a disadvantage trying to protect interests in Southwest Asia, Sudan, or South America. However, in those areas, they could use the same tenuous methods as the Americans are using in Central Asia. Build some rudimentary archipelego of stations merely to sell arms, pander influence, and show presence near energy interests.

Let's face it, Chinese ground forces could wipe out all American interests on the Asian mainland along the old 40th parallel routes if they had Russian and Indian acquiesence. Chinese interests could likewise be removed from Africa and South America.

While some liken the Malthusian race to conquer resources to colonial conquest leading up to WWI, there is also a Napoleonic aspect to the rivalry, where international maritime power really stops at the shores of Eurasia. These outposts being established in Central Asia are political not military. Good for a game, worthless in a real fight.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 02:06 PM
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9. I am more worried about these than the Sunburns
<snip>The Type 094 nuclear missile submarine, launched last July to replace a trouble-prone Xia-class vessel, can carry 16 intercontinental ballistic missiles. Married with the newly developed Julang-2 missile, which has a range of more than 5,000 miles and the ability to carry independently targeted warheads, the 094 will give China a survivable nuclear deterrent against the continental United States, according to "Modernizing China's Military," a study by David Shambaugh of George Washington University.

In addition, the Dongfeng-31 solid-fuel mobile ballistic missile, a three-stage, land-based equivalent of the Julang-2, has been deployed in recent years to augment the approximately 20 Dongfeng-5 liquid-fuel missiles already in service, according to academic specialists citing U.S. intelligence reports.

It will be joined in coming years by an 8,000-mileDongfeng-41, these reports said, putting the entire United States within range of land-based Chinese ICBMs as well. "The main purpose of that is not to attack the United States," Lin said. "The main purpose is to throw a monkey wrench into the decision-making process in Washington, to make the Americans think, and think again, about intervening in Taiwan, and by then the Chinese have moved in."
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:18 PM
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3. ....and when the Chinese are ready....
....they'll take back that 'terrorist' island of Taiwan....
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:51 AM
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6. who's gonna stop them?
the same people who stopped the Iraq invasion?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:58 PM
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7. kick to combine
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:58 PM
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8. China Builds a Smaller, Stronger Military
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&ncid=716&e=16&u=/washpost/20050412/ts_washpost/a45056_2005apr11

<snip>The Chinese navy has taken delivery of two Russian-built Sovremenny-class guided missile destroyers and has six more on order, equipped with Sunburn missiles able to skim 4 1/2 feet above the water at a speed of Mach 2.5 to evade radar. In addition, it has contracted with Russia to buy eight Kilo-class diesel submarines that carry Club anti-ship missiles with a range of 145 miles. snip

The Type 094 nuclear missile submarine, launched last July to replace a trouble-prone Xia-class vessel, can carry 16 intercontinental ballistic missiles. Married with the newly developed Julang-2 missile, which has a range of more than 5,000 miles and the ability to carry independently targeted warheads, the 094 will give China a survivable nuclear deterrent against the continental United States, according to "Modernizing China's Military," a study by David Shambaugh of George Washington University.

In addition, the Dongfeng-31 solid-fuel mobile ballistic missile, a three-stage, land-based equivalent of the Julang-2, has been deployed in recent years to augment the approximately 20 Dongfeng-5 liquid-fuel missiles already in service, according to academic specialists citing U.S. intelligence reports.

It will be joined in coming years by an 8,000-mileDongfeng-41, these reports said, putting the entire United States within range of land-based Chinese ICBMs as well. "The main purpose of that is not to attack the United States," Lin said. "The main purpose is to throw a monkey wrench into the decision-making process in Washington, to make the Americans think, and think again, about intervening in Taiwan, and by then the Chinese have moved in."

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