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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:13 AM
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Police Seize Pictures Of Seattle Bus Tunnel
http://komotv.com/stories/36238.htm

KING COUNTY - Was it a security threat or a case of police going overboard?

A King County Sheriff's deputy seized a photographer's pictures in a public bus tunnel over the weekend, citing terrorism concerns.

... Williams specializes in nature photography and he was trying to expand his portfolio.

"I was approached by a King County Sheriff's Deputy who said, 'Oh no, no, no, no, no. This is no good. We're going to have to confiscate all this stuff.' And he motioned to all my gear," Williams said.

The deputy explained that the tunnel is a potential terror target and that photographers must have permission to be there.

... The deputy was wrong.

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:21 AM
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1. An interesting link
Photographers in public should check out the Photographer's Right
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 01:38 AM
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2. If I'm not mistaken,
this is not the first photographer in Seattle who has been confronted for taking photos.

I just found it, Google is my friend....

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/departments/newsroom/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000579441
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 09:02 AM
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12. And it's not just Seattle..
.. I know plenty of photographers who have been arrested & taken to the precint, just because they were taking pictures of airplanes.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:11 PM
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14. Things are just crazy anymore.
I used to do a little digital photography (just for the hell of it), and I normally just leave my camera at home now.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 02:47 AM
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3. I won't harp on the over-zealous cop.
Seattle stopped the Y2K bomber. Our police are pretty darn good. They do a good job of leaving us alone, by and large. Sometimes, we pay the price - as in the WTO riots - because our total force policy is young and timid, which is a remnant of a peaceful time gone by.

Look - you're a cop. You've been receiving special training and instructions regarding terrorism. You've been instructed to give a latitude to your perceptions and instincts, because frankly, God knows what they will try next. This guy went overboard, I agree. But, it didn't hurt anybody, and we've got a public re-assurance that our surveilance is strong. Personally, I appreciate that.

I'd rather our news be real-life examples of what is going on. Corrections can be made. And the cop can get a lecture from his boss without being torn apart in public.

But, do I want our police to be re-trained on trusting your instincts and being cautious? Do I want a kinder, gentler police force regarding terrorism? No. I consider Seattle a strong target because of Microsoft, Boeing, and a huge Naval Base - among other things. We also have a very open border with Canada.

No, I'll save my criticisms for the real crisis we are facing - namely, the fall of Democracy and the veritable theft of our national resources - and how I get my family to awaken from their American Dream stupor.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:25 AM
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4. fear will induce the scared to forfeit ANY or ALL of their civil rights
Don't believe the "hype" that the world is out to get us.
That's a media campaign sponsored by the real terrorists-the greedy multi billion dollar corporations.
They would love people to be scared so they'd be willing to allow crackdowns on anyone deemed "dangerous"(definition defined by them) (likely to include those affiliated with their opposition).

Most terra -ist just want the U.S. to leave them the hell alone and won't really go out of their way to come over here and hurt people.
by the way, 911 was LIHOP or MIHOP--

We have the higest murder rate in the world here in Murika--
and you'd be more likely to be hit by a drunk driver than a terra ist.
Keep your civil rights.
Don't worry, you're about as safe now as you always were--
...but that's not what Fox news would have you believe.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:43 AM
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5. Wow! You've really swallowed the official terra line.
But, do I want our police to be re-trained on trusting your instincts and being cautious? Do I want a kinder, gentler police force regarding terrorism? No. I consider Seattle a strong target because of Microsoft, Boeing, and a huge Naval Base - among other things. We also have a very open border with Canada.

Most of what you're told about "terrorism" is intended to manipulate you, and judging from your fearful post, I conclude sorrily that it has worked.

In your very next breath you denounce "the fall of Democracy," as if that were somehow separate from the panic about terrorism. It is not a separate issue. That panic is costing us our civil liberties. Not an abstract noun, civil liberties include the right to walk around taking photographs without regard to their content (first amendment) and free from unreasonable search and seizure (fourth amendment). "Democracy" will be of little practical use to you without liberty.

Try to be less sympathetic to overweening cops. Do stand up for the loss of rights to police. And the next time you find yourself fretting about your proximity to "Microsoft, Boeing, and a huge Naval Base -- among other things," get a grip: there are more lousy haircuts on Fox TV than there are terrorists in the world.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:06 AM
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7. YEAH, So sorry keopeli...
...but if you REALLY care about the 'fall of Democracy', you might want to be concerned with POLICE PREVENTING INNOCENT CITIZENS FROM TAKING PHOTOS OF PUBLIC PLACES!!!!!

All the terrorists who ever lived could NEVER destroy our USA...only WE can do that, step by step, from the INSIDE!

And we are doing a FINE job of it, thanks to GOOD folks like you.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 05:07 AM
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9. Never let reason get in the way of a good justified rant
I can think of, oh, three branches of government worth of people I'd blame before Keopeli.

But Keopeli can't threaten you.

--p!
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sidpleasant Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:33 PM
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16. "Seattle stopped the Y2K bomber" - No, they didn't
Ahmed Ressam was arrested by U.S. Customs agents at Port Angeles, WA. His hesitant answers to questions made an agent suspicious, which led to a search of his car and the discovery of more than 100 pounds of explosives. Seattle PD had nothing at all to do with it.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 03:47 AM
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6. This is mischief by ignorant police. It has to stop.
And the best thing to do is make a stink, and if possible, bring a lawsuit. Don't let this pass if it happens to you. Call the ACLU, and see what can be done.

The authorities want to panic you out of your rights. Stand up, while you still have freedom, and use it.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:17 AM
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8. what a wonderful world
face up folks, this looks like the permament policy to me...

what's really chilling is the a-oK attitude about it all...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 05:50 AM
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10. they have to put that training to work you know
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:59 AM
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11. I was told
I couldn't take a picture of my nephew at a shopping mall.
When I asked the security guard why, he said, "you know, 9-11."

I said, "Well if I have to worry about this shopping mall imploding, maybe I shouldn't be shopping here..."

No reply.

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podnoi Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:45 AM
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13. Back in US, Back in the US - Back in the USSR!
In the USSR you were controlled in this way, where you could take pictures.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 04:26 PM
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15. That's a cool tunnel. No wonder he was photographing it.
I'm just sorry it's such a hassle to photograph Grand Central Station nowadays. No tripods allowed.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 05:05 PM
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17. We also had the famous case of the photographer of color, Ian Spiers
Photo student draws attention of authorities
Sara Jean Green and Katherine Sather
Seattle Times
July 14, 2004
http://www.notinourname.net/detentions/photo-seattle-14jul04.htm

Ian Spiers drew the attention of Seattle police and Homeland Security personnel in the spring when he took pictures at the Ballard Locks. Spiers, pictured near the Locks yesterday, says he hasn't returned to the public park since a federal agent told him to stay away.

On Monday night, the volume of Internet traffic to Ian Spiers' Web site — www.brownequalsterrorist.com — crashed his server. Strangers from Chicago and New Zealand offered him space on their servers to get his story back online.

Spiers, a Seattle freelance graphic designer and amateur photographer, has been amazed at the outpouring of international support he's received since posting a tale of two run-ins, the first with Seattle police and the second with agents from the Department of Homeland Security, for taking photos at the Ballard Locks, one of the most popular tourist spots in Seattle.

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http://www.notinourname.net/detentions/photo-seattle-14jul04.htm

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 05:10 PM
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18. King County Sheriff's Office just fired a deputy for being bipolar
Good Cop, Sad Cop
Meet former King County Sheriff's Deputy Angela Holland. She was a great street cop with numerous commendations and a spotless record. But she was mildly bipolar, so they fired her.
by Philip Dawdy

Perps must have done a double take when Deputy Angela Holland popped out of her patrol car. It was the usual white Crown Victoria with "Sheriff" in big green letters on the side, and perps know how hot the hood of a King County Sheriff's patrol car feels. But a 5-foot-6 cop with blue eyes and blond hair pulled back in a ponytail? That was different. So, too, was Holland's manner, as bright and perky as a corporate publicist. Of course, she could go from Deputy Friendly to Deputy Hard-Ass on a dime. She was a cop, after all.

Holland, 30, shape-shifted like that all the time while on patrol just south of the Seattle city line in the unincorporated parts of South Park and White Center, known to some as "Rat City," as well as in a healthy slice of the unhealthy sides of Burien and SeaTac. There were a lot of rats in those parts. Gangsters of every ethnic stripe, crack dealers, meth heads, murderers, rapists, and folks gone crazy from drink and drugs, putting fists and guns to whoever was handy. Holland's job was to help keep all of that from getting out of control.

She had a way of doing it.

One night in 2002, she went with several deputies to collar a man in SeaTac. The man was a 6-foot-4 Samoan and had a good 200 pounds on Holland. Samoans are known for their ability to throw down harder than any other humans. This man had recently gotten out of the psych unit at Harborview Medical Center. One of the deputies wanted to use a Taser on the man, who was verbally combative. He was off his meds, out of control. Even his family feared him when he got this way. Holland stepped up to the man, with whom she'd dealt before, and said, "I give you respect. You owe me some."

The man allowed himself to be cuffed and, later, strapped into four-point restraints in the back of an ambulance. Incident resolved—without a scratch or electrical charge. "It was amazing," says a witness to the event, who requested anonymity. Holland has a lot of cop friends out there, because she was smart, effective, and reliable. But they have to watch what they say now, because Holland had a secret, and now that it's out, her colleagues are at odds with the official line.

Holland wasn't hiding from an excessive-force charge or a bad shoot. In her career, she'd pulled her Glock and pointed it at another human some 50 times, typically during stops of stolen cars. Not once had she discharged it. She was regarded by other cops at Precinct 4 as a good cop and didn't have a major mark against her. But she was taking so many sick days that command noticed. What's up with Holland?

She wondered, too, and in police culture you don't want colleagues or the brass to wonder about you. You've got to look like you are always in control, a paragon of American virtue and cop tradition, even if something else is going on beneath the badge. Something was, and Holland kept it to herself for three and a half years.

Smart cops know you can only dodge trouble for so long, and she wasn't a dumb cop. So late last June, Holland tossed some paperwork in the sheriff's office internal mail to request time off because she had bipolar disorder and was under a doctor's care. Her doctor had made a change in her medication, and Holland needed to be able to take some extra days, as allowed under federal law, should the switch prove troublesome.

"I did the right thing, and I know it," she says.

Days later, on July 6, her gun and badge were taken away. She was fired last November after more than six years on the force. King County Sheriff Susan Rahr says she had to protect the public. But from what?

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http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0513/050330_news_bipolar.php


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