Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

UN passes Russia-initiated resolution against Nazism

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:18 PM
Original message
UN passes Russia-initiated resolution against Nazism
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/04/14/59139.html

UN passes Russia-initiated resolution against Nazism

19:31 2005-04-14

Members of the UN human rights commission passed Thursday a resolution against neo-Nazism and neo-fascism, moved forward by Russia in association with Belarus and Cuba. This document denouncing all forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and ensuing intolerance, was supported by 46 states of the commission's 53 member-countries, with abstention on the part of the USA, Australia, Japan and Canada.

The commission's session last year resulted in negative attitude toward this resolution by all countries of the European Union as well as the USA and Japan.

"We welcome the fact that the European Union's protracted polemics have ended with the conclusion in favor of support for the project we have submitted," said Russia's ambassador Leonid Skotnikov at the UN department in Geneva.

"This resolution indicates that problems facing member-countries, including certain EU states, should be tackled rather than played down," he added.
more...

Interesting that USA abstained...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Did South Africa support it? How about Israel?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Whistle thats a great question?
Just know whats written in the article!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Israel is not even a member
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. It might have to do with free speech laws
this resolution might haver to do with banning certain forms of speech or certain groups that have not violated laws
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Zunni is probably right!!! Free Speech is a big thing!!!
this would restrict it!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
19. No.
First, it's a resolution, not binding in any way.

But more importantly, significant chunks of the U.S. power mechanisms haven't been against fascism -- well, ever! Many of our top families and corporations were VERY interested in and some of them involved with Hitler. Further, we important tons of Nazis at the close of WW2 and found nice homes for them in our intelligence community, our scientific institutions, etc.

Here are a few links JUST on the subject of the Nazis we brought to the U.S.:
Bush Family - Nazi Dealings - WWII to 1951
by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_Nazi_Dealings.html
discussed here (with many more links): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1584497

The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STA310A.html


Mae Brussell: http://www.maebrussell.com/index.html
MAE BRUSSELL'S PICTURE OF THE PENTAGON - THE SPIDER AND THE ODESSA
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbspiderweb2,21,83.htm


Ratlines: The CIA and the Nazis (Tarpley)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

CIA's Worst Kept Secret
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Project Paperclip and Camp Evans (in N.J.)
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

Opn Paperclip (Namebase)
http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html


Project Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Who Performed Human Experimentation in the U. S. http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.htm

Project Paperclip and Literal Nazi Connections
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html
Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctorszi Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
and Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

Operation Paperclip Revisited: Moral Schmoral By RICHARD THIEME, August 22, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html

MKULTRA
Mindfield (Globe Intel) http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:22 PM
Response to Original message
5. I have a guess why the US would abstain...
actually I can think of two or three reasons.

I'm sure Bolton wishes a few less floors existed today.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. because it is contrary to 1st amendment rights, that is why
I denounce any attempt to ban any form of speech, no matter how repugnant

I applaud the courage of the countries that voted against this mindless, feel good authoritarianism
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. That is one of the reasons I can think of and the only good one...
I doubt it was Bush's reason.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. I t actually was the reason---
one poster below posted the US statement on why they voted against it.

It is simply a feel-good piece of legislation that violates free speech rights. I despise neo- Naziism, but I despise governments who censor hate speech even more, because a free man is allowed to whatever believe whatever tripe and nonsense he wishes to believe
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
6. Interesting?
Somehow I knew that punch-line was coming.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. Actually, the Fascist Take-over of the U.S. was hatched 70 years ago
Read the early history of the Bush neo-fascism in a failed coup plot against Franklin Roosevelt:
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jasop Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. If only we could get people to read this ..
I have been trying to point this out to people for the last 3 years. No one wants to believe facts. Its right there in front of them and no one will see it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. WOW! This statement by FDR could is sooooo relevant right now
"They steal the livery of great national ideals to serve discredited special interests…. This minority in business and industry... engage in vast propaganda to spread fear and discord among the people. They would gang up against the people’s liberties…. They seek the restoration of their selfish power.….
Our resplendent economic aristocracy does not want to return to that individualism of which they prate, even though the advantages under that system went to the ruthless and the strong. They realize that in 34 months we have built up new instruments of public power. In the hands of a people’s government this power is wholesome and proper. But in the hands of political puppets of an economic aristocracy, such power would provide shackles for the liberties of the people. Give them their way and they will take the course of every aristocracy of the past – power for themselves, enslavement for the public."

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:34 PM
Response to Original message
8. The only abstention that surprises me is Canada.
The rest have governments who wouldn't mind a bit of jack-booted discipline on the heads of a few libruls.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Canada may feel in the position of Switzerland pre-1945..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dispassionate Lib Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
11. Free Speech had EVERYTHING to do with it.
From US Statement on the explanation of its vote

The United States shared the repugnance at attempts to glorify or promote Nazi ideology. However, freedom of expression must be protected, and the draft failed to distinguish between statements protected by freedom of expression, and those that incited violence.

Hard to argue with that. Pravda's headline is a bit misleading when it comes to our position.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Hi dispassionate Lib!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Leave it to President AWOL to support Nazism
Boy Georgie Pussy pants is Hitler's biggest fan.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. I would not support this resolution either
Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 07:47 PM by Zuni
it is FASCIST to ban unpopular forms of speech or non violent assembly, which is what this intends. I hate Nazis, but they have a right to their warped beliefs too

The US statement:
The United States shared the repugnance at attempts to glorify or promote Nazi ideology. However, freedom of expression must be protected, and the draft failed to distinguish between statements protected by freedom of expression, and those that incited violence.

The 1st Amendment protects Nazi speech too
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. thank you
that was my guess. banning certain forms of speech because you dislike them is worse than having nazis rant in public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
22. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech
The discussion about free speech is misplaced.

The resolution was intended primarily as criticism of what Russia perceives as the rise of pro-Nazi historical revisionism in the Baltic states, primarily in Latvia. Parades of former SS troops and neo-Nazi sympathizers, glorification of the Baltic states' involvement on Germany's side in WWII, the banning of parades by Russian war veterans and so on are the surface issues that prompted the resolution. Underlying Russia's position is its displeasure of having NATO's frontline shifted right to its border and the resultant chokehold on its access to the Baltic sea.

The US abstention has nothing to do with free speech and much to do with expressing support for the country's allies in the Baltic region, including their commitment to NATO and neo-liberal market reforms.

Japan's abstention shouldn't surprise anyone, given the country's revisionist approach to the events of the 1930s and '40s.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 08:11 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC