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RCPJAP Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:26 AM
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Bush administration eliminating 19-year-old international terrorism report
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 09:11 AM by Skinner
The State Department decided to stop publishing an annual report on international terrorism after the government's top terrorism center concluded that there were more terrorist attacks in 2004 than in any year since 1985, the first year the publication covered.


Several U.S. officials defended the abrupt decision, saying the methodology the National Counterterrorism Center used to generate statistics for the report may have been faulty, such as the inclusion of incidents that may not have been terrorism.

(Snip)

But other current and former officials charged that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's office ordered "Patterns of Global Terrorism" eliminated several weeks ago because the 2004 statistics raised disturbing questions about the Bush's administration's frequent claims of progress in the war against terrorism.


"Instead of dealing with the facts and dealing with them in an intelligent fashion, they try to hide their facts from the American public," charged Larry C. Johnson, a former CIA analyst and State Department terrorism expert who first disclosed the decision to eliminate the report in The Counterterrorism Blog, an online journal.


EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT



http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:32 AM
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1. just par for the course
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 12:33 AM by okoboji
don't like the results of something ... either end it, or keep it secret

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:33 AM
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2. Rice is no longer the Nat. Sec.Advisor. what say does she have in this
decision?--not that it matters. If bushco wants it gone, its gone.



......The officials said they interpreted Rice's action as an attempt to avoid releasing statistics that would contradict the administration's claims that it's winning the war against terrorism.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:39 AM
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5. It's a STATE publication
That said, the decision sucks. Bet they continue to produce it though, and classify it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:57 AM
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9. thanks-but it must be in the Memory Hole
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:02 PM
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32. And there you have it in a nutshell...
Rather than working harder to combat terrorism, hide the facts and the problem goes away. :banghead:
The entire bush administration is :evilgrin: EVIL :evilgrin: , rotten to the core. I don't know who these assholes think they're fooling. They lie, cheat and steal to keep their "reputations" glossed over, but History will be the judge of these petty thugs. History will uncover the slime layer on these bastards, and it will not be kind to them. This will be judged as possibly the WORST pResidency, EVER, once the shroud of secrecy is removed and the evils of this administration see the light of day.
History will NOT be kind to george bush and his ilk. He's a national disgrace and will take his place with all other republican national disgraces.
This petty, spoiled brat, mentally defective asshole that half the country calls a president, is the laughing stock of the world. If he wasn't so destructive and so stupid I'd laugh long with them, but as it is, I'm angry as hell about what he's done to our country. :grr:

I HATE THESE BASTARDS! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:34 AM
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3. Natch - Wouldn't want those nasty reports to point out their hipocracy. NT
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:38 AM
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4. And the screams of graduate students are heard across the land n/t
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:43 AM
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6. half of us on 911
asked why and immediately answered "foreign policies" the other half screamed for the rockets red glare and the bombs bursting in air.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:02 AM
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7. Revision of history.
I highly recommend the buying of old history texts--anything published before this administration took power. Keep them in a safe place.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:12 AM
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10. And a copy of the Constitution,
also put that one in a safe place
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:31 AM
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12. Better idea yet, buy books on the History of the United States
.
.
.

from OTHER nations . .

even "accepted" history in the books of Amerikka were edited for the sheeples' consumption.

It is not new, but just jumped out at us with a rude reality that the American people have been spoon-fed their "knowledge" by Administrations for decades . .

The Internet has made the other nations news so available now, that we are just starting to realize what the East thinks of the West(for example, many Japanese consider themselves still occupied - well, - they ARE now aren't they?), and that they are watching, and have been for some time now . .

THEY, the non-American countries know all about the American History. The Americans MAY just be beginning to learn . .

But,

Is it too late?

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:56 AM
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21. Buy anything published from Howard Zinn....those will be hard to find too!
I love Howard Zinn...I remember reading "The Peoples History of the United States"....changed my world.... :hi:
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:29 AM
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24. All of these are good ideas.
I also like Zinn's work, and own most of what he wrote.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:13 AM
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27. It's protecting the truth for future generations...
No different than the people who protected art from destruction by the Nazis or the Taliban....

And speaking of Nazis, many Germans found themselves doing just this, protecting books from the Nazis...and we are now headed in that direction too...so sad and scary...
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:42 AM
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28. It is scary,
but as has been mentioned, it isn't new. Zinn really opened my eyes to the fallacies I'd been taught.

Preserving knowledge is one step in many that we owe our children.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:31 AM
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8. BushCo must have 5,000 employees
whose job is strictly to plug holes, stop leaks, cover up information, blackmail politicians and the media, run dirty tricks operations, and write propaganda. The republican mafia is like nothing we've ever seen. They even have unpaid volunteers who monitor blogs and internet forums, post or disrupt internet forums, write letters to the editor, and on and on. Democrats are so far behind, it's laughable. The brown shirts have won, I'm afraid, unless someone inside or some reputable organization exposes them.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:01 AM
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22. "The Brown Shirts have won"? Hardly....I agree that the GOP BUSHCO Mafia
has a whole "government" payroll (and volunteer) group of people doing things we couldn't even imagine in our wildest dreams what they are doing...

But they have hardly won....They haven't seen what is coming their way...this country has patriots and people who will fight them...Much of the fighting is "underground", but its already being mobilized....sadly, only about 10-15% of the population realizes how serious things are, but another 25-50% have an idea and are just waiting for the boiling point...
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:16 AM
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11. More and more, I see Bush adopt tactics of totalitarian governments
During the Cold War, weren't we always warned about how 'in Russia, the government only reports the good news'?

'In Russia, the newscasters only tell you what the government wants you to hear'

'In Russia, the government tracks your whereabouts'

'In Russia, the government wants to know what books you are reading'
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:42 AM
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13. Great Post - Welcome to DU... Bush was defending secrecy today:
...to the Press. "We're at war..." he said. Failing to mention that the unprecedented secrecy policies started BEFORE 9/11.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:23 AM
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14. Jeeze. You gotta' be flipping kidding me. Insane. (nt)
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:05 AM
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15. I thought that *Co had declared this to be
"The War on Terror" and that was what we were using our military to do - but if there is no "Terrorism Report" obviously there is no "Terror" and there does not need to be a "War".

The "War President" has lost his "cause" if he refuses to report that there is "Terrorism" to "War" against.

Up is Down - Black is White - War is Peace

Thanks for the post and welcome to DU RCPJAP :hi:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:20 AM
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16. RCPJAP
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:44 AM
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17. 'Nuff said.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:15 AM
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18. Cue up the Beatles' "Fixing a Hole"
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:48 AM
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19. U.S. eliminates annual terrorism report
WASHINGTON — The State Department decided to stop publishing an annual report on international terrorism after the government's top terrorism center concluded that there were more terrorist attacks in 2004 than in any year since 1985, the first year the publication covered.

Several U.S. officials defended the decision, saying the methodology used by the National Counterterrorism Center to generate statistics had flaws, such as the inclusion of incidents that may not have been terrorism.

But other current and former officials charged that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's office ordered the report, "Patterns of Global Terrorism," eliminated weeks ago because the 2004 statistics raised disturbing questions about the Bush's administration's frequent claims of progress in the war against terrorism.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002243262_terror16.html

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:48 AM
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20. These Bush idiots can do whatever they want, can't they?
This just proves...again...that we are NOT safer than before the Iraq invasion.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:29 AM
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25. Yup. Just like when they eliminated the mass layoff report because there
were so many mass lay-offs.


"...statistics had flaws, such as the inclusion of incidents that may not have been terrorism."

They must have included the white christian terrorists, which, of course, we all know is not terrorism.
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Stevious Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:24 AM
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23. Are you safer now than you were 4 years ago?
um...

:mad:
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:33 AM
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26. A website tracks terrorism incidents
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 10:34 AM by wookie294
If the federal government won't release reports on terrorism, then the PEOPLE will!!

http://www.terrorism.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Attacks&file=index


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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:47 AM
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29. Yahoo article - Rate it UP!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=1&u=/krwashbureau/20050416/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_terror_report_wa

This news is DISGUSTING - and boy am I gettin' tired of saying that.

And this statistic is outrageous, but not suprising:

"According to Johnson and U.S. intelligence officials, statistics that the National Counterterrorism Center provided to the State Department reported 625 "significant" terrorist attacks in 2004. That compared with 175 such incidents in 2003, the highest number in two decades."

625 vs 175

HOLY.SHIT

:puke:



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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:49 PM
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30. 3.58 with 106 vote(s) as of 1:45 Saturday n/t
Also, email to raise its 'most-emailed' rating.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:00 PM
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31. Larry C. Johnson - Yet another republican waking up from the dark side.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:11 PM
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33. Smoke and mirrors
Hide all you can and lie lie lie about what you can't.

In all their secrecy and mysteriousness, they're painfully transparent.
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:01 PM
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34. Wow. Well, I suppose we can't actually argue with
conservatives who say "There are no more terror attacks now!" :mad:
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:55 AM
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35. Hmmm...
I feel like laughing, in a sort of it-doesn't-really-surprise-me way.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:19 PM
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36. Geeze...woulda thought Russert would be all over this today/Sunday
and that Drudge and Limbaugh would have been screaming to the heavens about how we aren't safer with over 1,400 military dead and unknown thousands maimed for life, and more thousands with PTSD. But I haven't heard a peep.... And, we Americans with our "magnets" for "Support the Troops" just battle on in our Escalades/Hummers and whatever else passes on the roads today as "mini-macs." ("Small Mack Trucks that is) :shrug:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:19 PM
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37. kick to combine
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:20 PM
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38. Rice Erases Terror Scoreboard
The Bush motto seems to be, if you can't beat terrorism, stop keeping score.

Condoleezza Rice, who has been getting all sorts of underserved praise in the mainstream media these days, just decided to deep-six the State Department's annual report on international terrorism, according to a story by Jonathan S. Landay of Knight Ridder.

The report, which has been published annually for the past 20 years, was an ongoing source of embarrassment for the Bush Administration.

(snip)
A former CIA analyst told Knight Ridder that the number of terrorist attacks last year was 625, up from 175 in 2003. And that doesn't even count Iraq.


http://www.progressive.org/webex05/wx041805.php
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:20 PM
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39. I notice this has been all over the MSM...
:eyes: yeah, right. Another free pass from our fair and balanced media. If Bill Clinton had done something like this, there would be a congressional investigation in progress.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:20 PM
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40. I know -
It makes me not want to bother anymore but then I stop and think maybe that's what they want so I keep at it.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:20 PM
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41. This can mean only one thing:
the War on Terra is over! OK, time for the ticker-tape parade down Broadway! Repeal the Patriot Act. Get rid of the Department of Homeland Gestapo, err, Security. Bring the troops home from Afghanistan -- I don't mention Iraq, because we all know that has nothing to do with the War on Terra, right? Lighten up on border control. Cut back airport security. The war is over!

By the way, who won?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:20 PM
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42. Who needs facts when ideology will suffice?
History is watching. Too bad we have to live it.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
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43. State Department Decides Not to Publish Terror Statistics
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB9VA21P7E.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - The State Department has decided to stop publishing an annual statistical account of terror incidents worldwide, turning the task over to a government center established last year by Congress.


"They are the people who do the detailed work," department spokesman Richard Boucher said in announcing the National Counterterrorism Center would take on the job.

Last year, the department reported a decline in significant incidents of terror and then had to issue a corrected version showing an increase,

The falloff had been used by senior Bush administration officials to bolster President Bush's claim of success in countering terrorism.

more

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. They still think we are stupid
But we know better
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
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45. we aren't
but, if this story doesn't make it farther than the NY Times & Washington Post... nobody will be the wiser & they'll believe it when Bush cites progress in the War on Terra...

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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
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46. Last I heard, they had a record number last year...
and this year had almost three times as many. Gosh, do you suppose that could have any impact on their desire to see the truth published? :evilgrin:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
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47. I'm sure Condi
has better things to do than bother with those boring stats. Just like before 9-11 and she didn't even have time to read even the memos.

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malachi Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
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48. ABC WeekendNews reported that in 2003 there
were 150 terrorist incidents, the most since the report was first issued in 1985?. For 2004 there were 650 incidents. The chimp and his buds are really doing an excellent job against terra. Fuckwads all.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. Now, when Condi LIES about their "success" in the war on terra,
you won't be able to throw the old "but your own department's report says it's up 400%" line at her. By removing the report from State, it becomes a he said/she said intradepartmental distraction.

I imagine that within two year's time, terrorist attacks will have increased...and Condi will be saying, "we've dealt so effectively with terrorism that we don't even issue a yearly report anymore."
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:34 PM
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50. Ah, the smell of tyranny
Ah,the smell of corruption
Ah,the smell of lies
you spell that BUSH
or it's synonym RICE
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DemoMemo Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:48 PM
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51. Unbelievable!
Unbelievable! When the facts don't support the policies, hide the facts. Well, maybe it's not so unbelievable. After all, this is the way this Administration has been operating from day one.
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 10:05 PM
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52. the truth aint pretty..must not let the people see it
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