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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:20 PM
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GOP analysis gives Rossi 100-vote win (Seattle PI, Gov. court case)
Wednesday, April 20, 2005

GOP analysis gives Rossi 100-vote win
But Democrats say state law doesn't allow counting like that

By GREGORY ROBERTS
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Without ballots cast by felons, dead voters and non-citizens, Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire would have lost the 2004 election to Republican Dino Rossi by about 100 votes, according to a statistical report cited by the GOP in its legal challenge to Gregoire's victory.

But it's uncertain if the courts will buy the statistical arguments, which are a key to the GOP effort to overturn Gregoire's 129-vote win. Democrats say state law doesn't allow such arguments.

The analysis was part of recent legal filings by the Republicans listing the votes they intend to attack as improper in the election trial, which starts May 23 in Chelan County Superior Court.

(more)
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/220845_election20.html

How would anyone know who voted for who? Isn't the voting process secret? And what's with this assumption that all convicted felons vote only for Dems?
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:22 PM
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1. If "statistical analysis" is the standard....
Then somebody oughta tell Der Chimpster to pack, because he lost the last two elections.

--MAB
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:28 PM
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32. Pubbies suddenly like statistical analysis? What about the census?
They didn't allow statistical analysis to capture people who may have been missed in the count. Suddenly they like statistics. Hmm.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:22 PM
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2. I'll give them that one if....
they admit that the 2004 Presidential Election was rigged because the exit polls prove it.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:25 PM
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3. If they were convicted felons
there is an excellent chance they were republican, and if they were braindead, no doubt they were republican.

But by god, if the "courts" don't overturn the election, then those on the "courts" will be held accountable and should be removed from office.

The christian lunatics and the gop will team up this Sunday to spread their venom around the country, inspiring mcveigh wannabes to bring someone to justice.

Dontcha just love "gop analysis." Its like rush limbaugh spelling it all out for the lemmings.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:27 PM
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4. So then Gregoire wins...
Republicans aren't counting the 4 heavily red counties that recently came out and said they improperly counted some votes.

Although, it's a moot point, because you can't use statistics to justify it. If that was the case, they would just tabulate the first 10 or 15 people from each precinct and make a statistical guess on the rest. It's absurd.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:27 PM
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5. I have only one thing to say
GET OVER IT!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:31 PM
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6. Yea........me second that!!!
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:05 PM
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19. third.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:57 PM
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14. Welcome to DU Lochloosa!
:hi:
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:23 PM
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16. Thanks
Been here for a while....just hanging on the edges.
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:36 PM
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7. Why isn't the Democratic party
filing their own suit on election irregularities? This is nuts. Once again the republicans are setting the "Elction fraud" agenda
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:38 PM
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8. 2 Questions
1. Why aren't we using everything the repugs did to shut this down?

and

2. Why aren't we doing the same thing for Kerry?

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:40 PM
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9. Absolutely fruitless futile waste of time and energy.
I love it.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:40 PM
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10. I like how GOP analysis gets the headline
and "Dems say State law..." is the second headline. I think they're trying to tell us that GOP analysis trumps state law.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:46 PM
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13. Yeah. And the PI is supposed to be the so-called liberal newspaper!
There is no liberal media! There is a biased, RW, whorish media. Just ask the WH press core.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:31 PM
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17. PI is not the Liberal newspaper..
Its supposed to be "mainstream" compared to the Seattle Times, which is allegedly liberal.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:40 PM
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18. I've always understood it the other way around.
It doesn't matter anyway, Liberal media is a myth.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:09 PM
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20. Sorry, you are right..I am wrong.
I got it backwards. Seattle Times is "mainstream", and PI is the 'liberal' paper.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 07:23 PM
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29. Don't matter any because they're both run by
a joint operating agreement. One newspaper for the price of two.

:party:
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:42 PM
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11. Arrogance of the GOP!
"Because improper ballots can't be separated from legal ones once the votes are cast and counted, the Republicans hope to meet the standard by applying the statistical analysis."

They can't win through honest means so they skirt around the law and use 'statistics' to decide a Gubernatorial election? :wtf: What's the point of voting then?!
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:44 PM
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12. they're bullies, and bullies only respond to strength
too bad the establishment wing of the Democratic party isn't known to have balls.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 07:35 PM
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31. That's the Republican argument
for slaughtering Iraqis in the ME, there's no other way because bullies only respond to strength.

Just saying.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:58 PM
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15. Gregoire should sue the GOP publicists for 14th amendment violations
Per Bush v. Gore, they are damaging the perceptions of legitimacy to which she is rightfully entitled.
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:17 PM
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21. That's a great idea!
Maybe you should suggest it! Since perception seems to be reality anymore!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:51 PM
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22. Welcome to the DU Ysolde!
:toast:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:21 PM
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23. I'm not even paying attention to this anymore
That election was, what, 6 1/2 months ago? I think it's time for them to get over it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:25 PM
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24. if the best they can do is a 100 vote margin
then they've got nothin...

onenote
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:44 PM
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25. Uh, the margin of victory for Gregoire was just over 100. Small
numbers matter in a very big way in this case.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:49 PM
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26. my point was that
the repugs went digging around with the singular goal of proving that they won the election, meaning that they skewed the thing as much in their favor as possible, but with all of that, they only could get their guy a 100 vote margin. Which probably means that they couldn't find much to support their position.

onenote
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:01 AM
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34. That is very true.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:03 PM
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27. Rossi's mentor is a convicted felon; think he voted for Gregoire?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2002049148&zsection_id=2001780260&slug=choice29m&date=20040929

Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 12:00 a.m. Pacific

As young salesman, Rossi stuck with his boss amid fraud scandal

By Susan Kelleher
Seattle Times staff reporter

Dino Rossi was a newly minted salesman in an ill-fitting suit when, in December 1983, he walked into the cubicled offices of Capretto & Clark, known as "the boot camp" for commercial real-estate agents in Seattle.

<snip>

But a year into Rossi's career, Capretto filed for bankruptcy, and federal agents began building a criminal case against its owner, Melvin G. Heide, who eventually landed in prison for fraud.

Sales agents began leaving Capretto when the scheme came to light in 1984. Rossi stayed, and even followed Heide to a new firm. He worked under Heide for five more years, and left the company after nearly eight to run for public office at age 32.

<snip>

"I lost all respect for anyone who went to Imperial," former Capretto agent Linda Schaeffer said. "It meant you're incredibly stupid or you're willing to lay down with dogs, not to disparage dogs. After what done to people, it would be very hard for me to have confidence in anyone who would stick around such a tainted operation."

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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:28 PM
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28. The NERVE of these people!
We have REAMS of separate statistical analysis by TIA and a bunch of PHDs to prove that JOHN KERRY WON BY SEVERAL MILLION VOTES.

But THEIRS makes the MSM and OURS doesn't.

WTF IS THAT?~!
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 07:29 PM
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30. Democratic Analysis Gives Gore 600+ Vote Win In Florida (2000 President)
Fucktards.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 08:33 PM
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33. So, saying something similar about Ohio and the disenfranchisment
that went on there is BS to them, but when THEY say something, it is the gospel?

Horse puckey! If that is the case, Ohio goes to Kerry.
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