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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:20 AM
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Santorum reads nuke polls, applies the brakes -The Hill
Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), a leading advocate of the “nuclear option” to end the Democrats’ filibuster of judicial nominees, is privately arguing for a delay in the face of adverse internal party polls.

Details of the polling numbers remain under wraps, but Santorum and other Senate sources concede that, while a majority of Americans oppose the filibuster, the figures show that most also accept the Democratic message that Republicans are trying to destroy the tradition of debate in the Senate.

The Republicans are keeping the “nuclear” poll numbers secret, whereas they have often in the past been keen to release internal survey results that favor the party. David Winston, head of the Winston Group, which conducts Senate GOP polls, did return phone calls seeking comment.

Confirming public disquiet over the “nuclear” or “constitutional” option, Santorum said, “Our polling shows that.” But, he added, public thinking had been muddied by what he called false Democratic arguments that checks and balances were being eroded.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042105/santorum.html
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DC Law Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:25 AM
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1. so much for "doing what's right in spite of the polls"
"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."
--George W. Bush
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:27 AM
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2. No matter -- "Sick Rantorum" is dead meat on a stick, anyway.
The only people in Pennsylvania who can still stomach the guy are "Christofascists", extreme Gunn Nutts, and various neo-Nazi groups that hide out in the western Poconos.

His performance in the Terri Schiavo Improv Theater and Divine Righteousness Sideshow didn't win him any friends, either. If Bobby Casey is up by 14% now, he should win by a margin of, oh, 30-50%.

--p!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:40 AM
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7. I hope you're right
But, the RW Slime Machine hasn't gotten into effect yet on Casey - give them a year to come up with some good lies and some whoppers. (i.e., if Casey is Catholic, "Catholics for Truth")

Defeating one of the top theocrats in the Senate, though, would be a nice, sharp stick in the eye to the 'movement'...

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lcbart Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:47 AM
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20. I see it the same way...
There's a general feeling of disgust at Santoriums theocratical positions among most people I talk to.

I think he's losing most of the moderate/centrist republicans.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:06 PM
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31. He's toast!
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:34 PM
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32. provided Bobby Casey stays the hell out of small planes...
of course.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:29 AM
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3. The repukes love their dirty little secrets.
The secrecy in this administration is worse than in Nixon's second term.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:34 AM
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5. The Bush administration is way worse than Nixon's.
My husband and I were talking last night. We both agreed that we'd rather have Nixon or Reagan back in office rather than Bush. That's how desperate the whole situation has become.

We have got to pray for some major unraveling to occur that will well and truly cripple the Republicans and pave the way for Democratic victory in 2006 and 2008.
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:41 AM
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8. This is unfinished business of the Reagan administration
You could follow reagan follow reagan, and he'd be worse.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:51 AM
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22. you're right there
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 11:53 AM by xxqqqzme
look at where these neo-con criminals got their 1st taste of power.

tying up loose ends and advancing the rong-wing agenda.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:48 AM
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10. My husband and I have had that same conversation.
I never in my life DREAMED that I would regard Reagan in any favorable light, or that anybody'd come along who'd actually make Reagan look good to me. But it's happened.

I see enough here this morning what with bolton, santorum, the economy, the voters, the filibuster and adverse gop polls on it, and the resistance to jamming religion down everybody's throats, that lead to me to suspect that maybe the tide's finally turning...

But I've also learned not to hold my breath. A LOT can happen between now and 2006 when we get our first chance to boot these bastards OUT. bush could launch another war or terrorist attack or something and yank everybody back into the fold by their noses. We HAVE to keep the drumbeat going - NOW.

I think that's why the bolton business is so important. It's ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to defeat this guy - to stall the momentum of the bad guys. They need one huge, blazing black eye delivered to them - a swift flying sidekick to the groin or the solar plexus so the wind is knocked out of their sails. The SYMBOLISM is just utterly CRITICAL. Once Loser Stench starts sticking to them, they're finished. The momentum, and the pendulum, both start swinging OUR way.

BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO GET COMPLACENT!!! We have a LOT of work to do to make this a certainty.

We CANNOT afford to rest on our laurels yet. Especially since we don't HAVE any.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:34 AM
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4. Sure Rick, the public knows nothing and it's all the Democrats'
fault that people don't want a one-party system!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:38 AM
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6. Could it be the American fondness for Jimmy Stewart as Mr. Smith?
The corrupt Congress that a freshman Senator confronts, filibustering until he's almost dead on his feet. I can't remember what the filibuster was about, but it was one of the very best "common man as hero" films ever made. It showed that one man, in the face of overwhelming greed and powermongering, can make a stand for truth and protection of the common people.

The movie was extremely powerful, and I'm just wondering if it has become part of the American collective unconscious. The Dems should run ads featuring pics of Jimmy Stewart in that movie and caption it, Republicans want Mr. Smith to sit down and shut up.
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:42 AM
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9. That would be a good campaign.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:49 AM
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11. EXCELLENT!
SUPERB!!!
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:55 AM
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14. If we had to have a right wing actor as President
it should have been Jimmy Stewart rather than Ronnie.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:08 AM
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17. OH yeah...that would be a GREAT ad!
I wonder what kind of releases from which Media company they'd have to get to use those images?
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:44 AM
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19. Oh!
I had totally forgotten about that! That's a great, fabulous, marvelous idea! Now, how do we get that idea to those folks that produce the ads? NOBODY doesn't love Jimmy Stewart!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:38 PM
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29. Anybody here have connections with DNC? n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:49 PM
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27. Perfect!
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 08:52 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
DING DING DING WINNER!!

I get it, and I haven't even seen the movie.

Posters would work too.




I found this..
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:07 AM
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33. People for the American Way are running Mr. Smith ads - here is the video
Jimmy Stewart has joined the partisan combat over President Bush’s judicial nominees; Stewart, that is, in the fictional role of Sen. Jefferson Smith, the starry-eyed freshman lawmaker in the 1939 movie, “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”

The advocacy group People for the American Way, (PFAW) founded by Hollywood producer Norman Lear, launched a television ad campaign Wednesday featuring a scene from the movie in which Sen. Jefferson Smith filibusters on the Senate floor to block a corrupt pork-barrel project.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7337645/
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:54 AM
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12. Senator Man on Marmaduke
has been a lot of fun lately.

(thanks to jameswolcott.com for coming up with the wonderful M on M moniker!)

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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 10:54 AM
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13. WSJ poll today, according to NPR, 41% of GOP oppose Nuke
Ready, fire, aim.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:06 AM
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15. This is good news...
I heard Coleman, this morning trying to twist the "checks and balances" arguement in the Rep's favor, but we have a much clearer lock on it.

Are they really not putting Brown and Pricilla whosits up this afternoon?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:08 AM
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16. Poll? Poll? they don't pay attention to POLLS!!! THEY LEAD!!!
Frank Lutz says so
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:37 AM
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18. And the transition begins....
Reps are trying to do what they did to the estate tax. They railed against a "death tax" until the MSM began calling it that.

They're going to try to do this to the nuclear option. They're going to start calling it the "constitutional" option, which I gurantee theres a lot more support for, just because of how it sounds.

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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:47 AM
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21. And, that's where WE come in...
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 11:48 AM by Ysolde
Just like the MSM hasn't converted to "personal" accounts, we can't let them convert this from "nuclear" to "constitutional". We have the power to hold the MSM's feet to the fire and we have to keep doing it! I try to send lots of e-mails whenever I see the "personal" word used and I won't mind doing the same for "constitutional". I especially hit those media that I subscribe to.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:53 AM
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23. Santorum,psycho-freak awakes to REALITY of his stupidity
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:09 PM
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24. That's good if it's true
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 08:10 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
But I draw from the following story that the Republicans may have threatened the nuclear option to get the Democrats to budge on their oppostion to some of Bush's nominees.

Frist, Reid Work on Judge-Approval Deal


By DAVID ESPO and JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON - In private talks with Majority Leader Bill Frist, the Senate's top Democrat has indicated a willingness to allow confirmation of at least two of President Bush's seven controversial appeals court nominees, but only as part of a broader compromise requiring Republicans to abandon threats to ban judicial filibusters, officials said Monday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=4&u=/ap/20050426/ap_on_go_co/filibuster_fight
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ArnoldLayne Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:35 PM
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25. Rick "The Prick Man on Dog Sex" Santorum knows he
is going down in the next election.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:38 PM
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26. Lou Dobbs said their poll showed 66% DISAPPROVAL
for the Nuclear Option. Didn't see a poll anywhere, but I heard him say it.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:22 PM
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28. Reid can't back down!!!
If Reid caves in and compromises with these guys, he is a failure. There is no way in hell they would be successful with the nuclear option. The backlash would be tremendous.



http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272075
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:51 PM
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30. seems like senator sick rectorum can't tell a principle from a wind sock
.
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