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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 01:26 PM
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U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraq
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Toby109 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:08 PM
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1. So I click on the AP link
and I get a story about a U.S. citizen being killed in Iraq next to an advertisement for Disney World?

WTF?!?!

That's it...Check please?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:23 PM
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2. ??? Here is the story this link brings my browser to
U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An American soldier was killed Saturday when his convoy was hit by a roadside bomb south of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.
The attack took place near Haswa, 30 miles south of Baghdad, the military said in a statement. The name of the soldier was not released.

more

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:30 PM
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4. #1568... It works fine for me Don
but their numbers are fucked up as usual. When all is said and done and I am an old lady living in some nice neutral country with my boys and my grandkids, the real cost of this war in lives will come out. That is about 25 years from now.

:(
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:52 PM
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13. Repeat the lie often enough, eh leftchick?
I believe we're at 1568 for Iraq.

It's a devastating number as it is. There's no need for leaps in order to intensify it.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:21 PM
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25. Our flags here in my area of Michigan.......
are flying at half staff again. Anyone know why? I haven't been keeping up as much as I used to. It's just getting too depressing to follow. However, most of the sheeple in this country don't follow it one iota. As long as it's not someone they know and love, they don't give two hoots. We truly are a country of people asleep at the switch. Why did we allow these evil people in this administration to start a war for NO REASON????
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:30 PM
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3. here's the release from CentCom


http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20050424.txt

April 23, 2005
Release Number: 05-04-24C


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


SOLDIER KILLED BY IED NEAR AL HASWAH

CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq – A Soldier assigned to the 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), was killed April 23 when an improvised explosive device detonated near the convoy in which he was traveling.

The incident occurred near Al Haswah, Iraq.

The name of the deceased is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The 155th BCT is assigned to II MEF (Fwd) during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

RIP soldier :(

Another lost life among the tens of thousands at the behest of the maladministration.

:cry:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:41 PM
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5. NPR is calling all of this an "upsurge in violence"
However, they stop there and don't try to attribute it to pre-election/post-election/post saddam/ or anything else, just a plain old "upsurge".
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:08 PM
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6. OK, that's it for me.
I've said I'm going to do this. I'm going to put together a list of all the deaths in Iraq. The list should probably just have the names of US troops killed in Iraq, whether in combat or at some military hospital. Maybe list the number of wounded as well?

I'll just assemble it in an Excel file. Name, last name, date of death, cause of death. Maybe a few more details, but no more than 5 or 6 columns. Then I'll reassemble them in alphabetical order.

I'm willing to bet my next paycheck that it's more than 1,568.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:31 PM
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7. Can u really do this list?
Get all of the information? I really hope that you can actually do it...i will be waiting, watching and hoping that you do.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:45 PM
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8. Need help?
I had an idea to search google news for all stories about soldier deaths using some kind of Perl script, and then weeding out duplicate names.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:23 PM
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9. Teaser, that sounds great.
I have never used Perl script. I was going to do this the old-fashioned way by finding names, minimizing the screen and just updating my Excel spreadsheet. Then, I would just sort them alphabetically to eliminate duplications.

Yes, that would be awesome.

The thing I want to focus on, is to get ALL the names, regardless of where they were killed.

Thanks.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:37 PM
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10. I would love to help you cliss
I go to http://icasualties.org/oif/ daily and always see a link like this...

Family of soldier hurt in Iraq asks for more prayers


Severely injured Meridian Guardsman is on his way back home, loved ones say

By Holbrook Mohr
The Associated Press

The family of a National Guardsman severely injured in Iraq says an outpouring of support from the community has been overwhelming and asked for continued prayers as the soldier makes his way back to the United States.

Sgt. 1st Class Grayson "Norris" Galatas of Meridian was one of five Mississippi Army National Guard soldiers injured when a roadside bomb ripped through their vehicles on Tuesday, Guard officials said.

Lt. Col. Tim Powell, a Guard spokesman, said Galatas, Sgts. Terrance A. Elizenberry of Clinton and Wyman H. Jones of Columbus, Staff Sgt. Tommy S. Little of Aliceville, Ala., and Pfc. Stephen B. Brooks of Columbus were all wounded.

... or this...

Gravely wounded Marine clings to life
By ERNIE GARCIA
elgarcia@thejournalnews.com
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: April 23, 2005)


YONKERS — Ed Ryan, owner of Palmer Dairy on Palmer Road, never had any sons of his own, but he always thought of his two nephews, cousins serving in Iraq, as the boys he never had.

One of those "sons," 21-year-old Marine Cpl. Ed Ryan, now is fighting for his life at the National Naval Medical Center at Bethesda, Md., after taking two shots to the head last week in Iraq, Ryan, 56, said yesterday.

"He volunteered for the hardest jobs," Ryan said, noting that Cpl. Ryan and another nephew, Randall Ryan, were inspired to join the Marines after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. "They felt they had to be there to help the Iraqi people be free, and they both said that freedom is not free."

Cpl. Ryan, a Marine sniper, was hit with one bullet in the chin and another bullet that pierced his helmet and lodged in his brain, his uncle said. Cpl. Ryan was not from Yonkers, but his family has almost 100 years of history in the city, his uncle said.

:(

So sad but at least a starting point for names and places of severely wounded soldiers. There are literally thousands of wounded that must be going unaccounted for.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:26 PM
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17. If you go to icasualties "Fatality Detail"
You can apply the "place of death" filter for Bethseda, Brooke Army Medical Center, Central Defense Hospital, Homberg University Hospital, Landstuhl, etc., etc., etc. The list includes, literally, dozens of deaths that occurred in hospitals outside Iraq, some even months later. I challenge you to run those filters.

So, the question would be, why list those deaths that occur in hospital from wounds incurred in Iraq, but hide others? I'd love to know how that works. The big canard in the "DoD is hiding Iraq deaths" argument is that DoD doesn't list those wounded in Iraq who later die in hospital (either stateside or in Europe) as Iraq war dead. That is manifestly false. Run those filters and see if your argument still stands up to scrutiny.
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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:41 PM
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11. icasualties.org has complete lists
They list all U.S. military fatalities in Iraq, hostile and non-hostile, including those who died outside Iraq as a result of injuries sustained there.

Details on all U.S. fatalities:
http://icasualties.org/oif/Details.aspx

Printable list of all U.S. fatalities:
http://icasualties.org/oif/US_NAMES.aspx

They also have info on Afghanistan and more (see their home page features).
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:54 PM
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14. Welcome home
n/t
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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:20 PM
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24. Wow -- thanks, alcibiades_mystery...
I appreciate that. And you know I'll pass it on to those serving today who have the good fortune to make it back. Maybe some of them will help our country remember the lessons it has forgotten and, as someone once said, "help it in the turning."

Thanks again.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 04:49 PM
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12. I'll take that bet
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:01 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Especially since it's already been done, and the number is 1568 US, 1745 Coalition Total. Here's the list:

http://icasualties.org/oif/Details.aspx

If you click on the blue file icon, you'll get a specific link for CENTCOM and DOD Press releases, plus any news items released on that person, all copied as the original page.

Please let me know how you'd like to make payment.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:03 PM
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15. See if you can find U.S. Army Captain Gilbert A. Munoz on that site
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/gamunoz.htm

15 February 2005:
Special Forces GI dies of illness after Iraq visit
BLAKE MORLOCK
Courtesy of the Tucson Citizen

It is one death, but many losses.

Tucson lost a native, Salpointe Catholic High School lost a star of its class of '94, the Air Force Academy lost an alumnus and the Third Battalion of the 7th Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, lost a leader shortly before it deploys to Iraq.

The family of U.S. Army Captain Gilbert A. Munoz lost what one relative called its "center of the circle."

Munoz died last week of a staph infection, two weeks after returning from Iraq and two days after his first wedding anniversary. He was 29.

He will be buried next week at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. The Arlington special guard unit he served with four years ago will take part in the burial.

His wife, Emily, remembered yesterday what she had, more than what she now must do without, as she pushes on with her life in North Carolina.

"I feel like I lost so much," she said. "But it's so hard to feel anything except thankful for such an incredible individual to have been in my life."

Munoz was set to lead a Special Forces team into Iraq to help train Iraqis to take over security of their country, necessary before the withdrawal of the American military, his wife said.

He left in January for a short scouting mission of the location where he would lead his men and returned home January 28, 2005.

On February 6, 2005, he went into the hospital with flulike symptoms and three days later was dead, his wife said.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:10 PM
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16. While Captain Munoz's death is obviously tragic
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 05:16 PM by alcibiades_mystery
It would never, under any criteria ever used, be counted as a war death, given the information in the article (especially, to wit: "The cause of his illness has yet to be determined.").

You are stretching the criteria beyond all reason, in other words. Moreover, the case seems so specific that it would be an unlikely way to cover up large numbers of unaccounted for deaths.

Unless, of course, you'd like to expand the criteria. In that case, we'd have to count as KIA a soldier who went to Iraq for a site inspection, returned, went to the hospital a week later with pneumonia, and died. I'm not sure the families of soldiers who died clutching open throat wounds from a AK-47 round in ar-Ramadi would be too thrilled with that ruling, however.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:28 PM
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18. Is he any less dead? n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Indeed...and that's utterly beside the point
Getting dead is not what gets you on the listr of war dead. Getting dead through some verifiable war cause is what gets you on the list.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:13 PM
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23. See post #22 and tell me about verifiable war cause some more n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 05:36 PM
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19. Iraq veteran Joshua "Josh" Neusche also died from a mystery illness
And he is on the list. But Captain Munoz is not on the list. Why is that?

Don

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:07 PM
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20. Are you kidding me?
The answer is very simple: Specialist Neusche's illness was verified as contracted in Iraq. He got sick in Iraq, and was sent to Landstuhl, afterwhich he was sent to Hamburg hospital. Captain Munoz's illness was not verified as originating in Iraq. For all we know, he contracted a staph infection getting a splinter from his deck, stateside. If his staph infection could be verified as originating in Iraq, I'm sure he would be on the list, as is Specialist Neusche. Neusche's case actually makes your case weaker.

You seem to be focusing on the "mysterious" quality of both illnesses: since both are "mysterious," and connected with Iraq, shouldn't they both be counted? But the question is not whether they are mysterious, but whether their origin can be verified as Iraq. In Munoz case, it cannot, or at least has not, thus he is not on the list. In Neusche's case it has, thus he is on the list. What is so hard to understand here? Unless you're just being fatuous?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:11 PM
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22. This guy died in his sleep and he made the list
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 06:14 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www2.indystar.com/articles/4/236853-2734-127.html

Soldier from Portage dies of non-combat injuries in Iraq


The Associated Press
April 18, 2005 9:52 PM


INDIANAPOLIS -- The father of a soldier from northwestern Indiana wants the Army to tell him more about how his son died in Iraq.

Army Pfc. Steven Sirko, 20, of Portage died of non-combat related injuries Sunday in Muqdadiyah, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, the military said Monday in a press release. He was assigned to the First Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment, Third Brigade, Third Infantry Division, based at Fort Benning, Ga.

No more details were provided in the press release.

The military told his father, Rick Sirko, of Portage, that his son died in his sleep. But a healthy, athletic young man dying in the middle of the night does not make sense to the elder Sirko.

"Tell me how he died," Rick told the Post-Tribune of Merrillville. "Don't mince words. All the 'I'm sorries' in the world isn't going to bring my son back."

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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:37 PM
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27. He died in the combat zone
The death of a service member in the combat zone is automatically counted as a casualty, whether due to hostile or non-hostile causes.

A death elsewhere, following service in the combat zone, is only treated as a war casualty if it is determined to have resulted from service in the combat zone.

A Vietnam veteran who dies today as a direct result of injuries sustained in that war is added to the official listing of Vietnam War casualties. His or her name is also added to the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial in Washington, D.C.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:53 PM
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28. But why so SOME soldiers who go into a combat zone and acquire an...
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 07:29 PM by NNN0LHI
...illness and then come home and die from that illness get put on the list of war casualties, while others do not make that same list? I have given several examples of each in this thread where some were counted and others were not. Who is making these arbitrary decisions? Could this be a case where figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure?

I just noticed something. They were counting those who died from illness in 2003, but in 2005 they are not counting them. I wonder when they decided to stop counting them? I can't find any info for 2004. I suspect they stopped counting them during 2003 to keep the casualty numbers down. Anyone else notice that? I wonder what the real casualty numbers are now?

Don

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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:09 PM
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29. It depends on whether or not the connection...
to service in the combat zone can be established. Deaths from illness are still counted, as in the 2005 case you cited of PFC Sirko, who died in his sleep. Some of the fatalities from illness listed for 2003, 2004, and 2005 show locations of death outside Iraq, including Syracuse NY, Beaver WV, Augusta GA, and Landstuhl Reg. Med. Ctr. In Germany.

Some cases that have not yet been attributed to service in Iraq may eventually make the list when a connection can be established.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:40 PM
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30. No. You explained to me that PFC Sirko was counted because he died in Iraq
As for the deaths outside of Iraq that you have noted, they could have easily died from combat injuries sustained in Iraq. The US military has been sending soldiers home on life support for the families to determine whether or not to take them off of life support. That could account for the death in the US cities you have noted. See if you are able to find any reports of deaths actually attributed to an illness vice combat injury after 2003. I looked and I could not find any. Perhaps you will have better luck than I did?

Don

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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 08:51 PM
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31. Don, the places I cited were all illness cases
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Pinboy, I had to search back 72 pages to find the first reported deaths...
Edited on Sat Apr-23-05 10:22 PM by NNN0LHI
...outside of Iraq that were due to illness. They were death numbers 318 and 319 on 8-14-03 and 8-17-03. There has not been any more deaths due to illness counted outside of Iraq after those dates. Only before then were they counted.

Orders must have came down from upon high to not count anymore deaths from illnesses that were acquired inside of Iraq but who later died outside of Iraq. They are fudging the numbers on purpose to keep down the casualty figures due to illnesses my friend. Take care.

Don

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Pinboy Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 03:38 AM
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36. I found '04 and '05 illness fatalities outside Iraq...
I'm sorry you went to so much trouble, Don. I used the filters at the bottom of the page, but even that was cumbersome. I had to look in each of the 14 separate "illness" categories:

Non-hostile - illness
Non-hostile - illness - acute leukemia
Non-hostile - illness - acute pancreatitis
Non-hostile - illness - breathing difficulties
Non-hostile - illness - died in sleep
Non-hostile - illness - heart attack
Non-hostile - illness - heart attack?
Non-hostile - illness - heart failure
Non-hostile - illness - heat-related
Non-hostile - illness - heat related?
Non-hostile - illness - heatstroke
Non-hostile - illness - pneumonia?
Non-hostile - illness - seizure
Non-hostile - illness - sudden collapse

There were a total of 38 U.S. military fatalities attributed to illness, including 14 deaths that occurred outside Iraq. Some examples of deaths from illness that occurred outside Iraq after 2003:

SSGT William D. Chaney, Army National Guard, died 5/18/04 at Landstuhl Regional Med. Ctr., Germany

SFC Otie Joseph McVey, Army Reserve, died 11/7/04 in Beaver, WV

SSGT Jose C. Rangel, Army National Guard, died 1/23/05 in Kuwait

SFC Michael D. Jones, Army National Guard, died 3/3/05 in Syracuse, NY
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. Thanks Pinboy. You are right. It is very cumbersome
I still think besides the deaths of the soldiers that I have have noted in the above posts that did not make the list there are still more. We will have to wait and see just how many more there are. See you later.

Don

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:35 PM
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26. Army Staff Sgt. Christopher L. Rogers didn't make the list either
http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/iraq/story/2258902p-8638654c.html

Wright's death follows the deaths of two North Carolina soldiers who died after returning from the Middle East and experiencing flulike symptoms.

State epidemiologist Jeffrey Engel said Special Forces Capt. Gilbert A. Munoz, 29, appears to have had the flu and a bacterial infection. He died Feb. 9 of pneumonia, Engel said. Army Staff Sgt. Christopher L. Rogers, 37, a reservist, died Feb. 14, just two days after he began to feel ill, his wife said.

This soldier did not make the list either:

FAYETTEVILLE -- The family of a Fort Bragg officer recently back from Iraq say Capt. Terrance Wright seemed to hiccup almost constantly for weeks before he died this month.


The Army said Wright died of an unknown illness shortly after returning from Iraq in February. His body was found in a Fayetteville motel room March 2.

Wright's mother, Sandra Wright, and an aunt, Karen Wright, said he had been a healthy 33-year-old before he deployed to Iraq in November. It was his second tour in Iraq.

Karen Wright said she spoke to her nephew in Iraq in early February. "He could not speak one sentence without hiccuping," she said.

Wright was seen by doctors in Germany and at Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington before being sent to a doctor at Womack Army Medical Center at Fort Bragg last month, said Capt. Kevin Broadnax, an Army casualty assistance officer.

http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/iraq/story/2258902p-8638654c.html

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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
34. So if we agree, and I'm not sure you and I do,
because we've never talked, that the reasons for going to Iraq are based on lies and not true in any, shape or form wouldn't it follow that casultie numbers related to Iraq might, just might be skewed? And therefore all information ought be challenged? I can remember when our military, with the permission of the government, bomber the ever-living shit out of Cambodia and we were none the wiser................ :shrug:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. We do agree that the war is based on lies
That is for certain.

It does not then follow, however, that the casualty numbers are untrue. And one should always rigorously scrutinize government information, especially in war time. Of course there should be public scrutiny. And it is my argument that icasualties.org is that public scrutiny in a most rigorous form. It is not merely the assembly of DoD releases, but a full survey of news items related to Iraq deaths confirmed by DoD releases. And I believe it to be an accurate account of the Iraq numbers.

While we are talking about scrutiny, however, we might also turn our lens on the other arguments. We are told, often by implication and insinuation, that the number (now at 1570) is a lie, that many more US troops have been killed or died as a direct result of action in Iraq. We're told that the US doesn't count those who die off the battlefield, even as a result of wounds incurred on the battlefield. This has proved false on enough occasions to render the claim unsupportable, except by insinuation. We are told that mysterious illnesses have killed large numbers, yet those who make these claims cannot even uphold their one or two examples of said problem, all of which collapse like so many sand castles under scrutiny. Those who claim that many more US troops have been killed or died simply fail to support their point in any reasonable fashion. And that is as unacceptable as government mendacity. In any functioning democracy, you don't get to make public claims (1570 have died; 4000 have died) without support. Or rather, you get to make them, and others get to call you on your lack of evidence, which is all I'm doing here. And there has never been any support for the claim that large numbers of troop deaths have been hidden. As this thread demonstrates time and again, there is not even reasonable support for the claim that small numbers of troops deaths (through obscure illenesses or otherwise) have been hidden. Failing to support their claims with data, those who make these claims then proceed to slip into the most disingenuous forms of argument: the government hid syphillis testing on African Americans, so why wouldn't it hide Iraq deaths? The government lied to us about Cambodia, so why wouldn't it lie to us about Iraq deaths? This is all well and good, but the most it gets us is a further call for public scrutiny, which I support. Public scrutiny is good. Outrageous claims without evidence is bad. When it comes to Iraq deaths, I'm all for the former, and I will call bullshit on the latter as many times as it appears.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:11 PM
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32. Just give me time to get started.
I'm not ready to make any kind of payment because I'm still trying to figure out the criteria. In my book, as long as the US troop is dead, he should be counted. Regardless of the cause. Friendly fire, heli crash, illness, whatever. If this person left the US healthy and came back in a casket, he/she qualifies.

I'll even state the cause of death.

My daily newspaper, the Oregonian, has listed a number of casualties. I'm going to go to local newspapers and check their listings. They may be different from the official ones.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 11:48 PM
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35. Good news.
I've now started my own Excel spreadsheet on Iraq fatalities. I'm going to do it the "old fashioned" way, by entering each name, along with age, State, DOD, military unit, and brief cause of death.

Once I have my master list, I'll re-arrange the list in alphabetic order.

After that, I'm going to fan out and check small local newspapers to see if there are any unreported deaths. It will be easy to check against my master list to see if he/she was included. I've already noticed there are hundreds, if not thousands of threads on this subject.

If not, it will become quite obvious there were many left out.

**note: this will take a bit of time, since I'm doing it all by hand. I will post it here at the DU once I'm done.

May have a bit of news for you.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 03:43 PM
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39. Good luck to you
Though I can't understand why you'd expend all that energy on a job that's already been done, and done well, by icasualties.org. You may not know it, but at least one DUer is involved with the compilation of information for icasualties.org. I will try to find out who and get back to you.
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