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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:08 AM
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Kennedy seeks Iraq war "justice" (BBC News)
(Gotcha, it's Charles Kennedy. I WISH Ted Kennedy would say something like this.)

Kennedy seeks Iraq war "justice"

Every Labour and Conservative candidate should be held to account by voters over the Iraq war, Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy has argued.


Monday, 25 April, 2005, 07:23 GMT 08:23 UK

Mr Kennedy said Tony Blair had taken the UK into an illegal war and voters could deliver "justice by the ballot box" at the General Election.

Michael Howard accuses the prime minister of lying about the war but Mr Blair says it was both right and legal. With 10 days to polling day, Labour and the Tories are to focus on the economy.

The Conservatives are turning the spotlight on tax and "value for money", and will launch their manifesto for businesses, while Labour will focus on the regeneration of inner cities. The Liberal Democrats were the only one of the three main parties to oppose the war and on Sunday Mr Kennedy said the election could be a "referendum" on the war.

(More at link above)
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:38 AM
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1. Let's see if British voters have a collective soul.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:43 AM
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2. Go, Charlie!
The LibDems are actually gaining ground this election. My husband plans on voting for them. Not sure what can be done about the cost of living in the UK, though. The BBC reported this weekend that petrol is headed towards £1.00/litre...the equivalent of $9.00/gallon. Now, it's well known in the UK that around 70% of the price of petrol is government taxes. If Kennedy pushed the truth about Iraq AND pledged to cut petrol taxes...the LibDems would win in a landslide.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:45 AM
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3. Wow. Is it possible they would promise that? Have they hinted at it?
Wouldn't the other parties be forced to promise the same?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:47 AM
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5. Not in the cards, but the LibDems have a good platform in any case
Lowering petrol taxes would win a lot of votes, but realistically it's no solution to the road congestion problem in the UK which is at critical mass. There's a "national road tax" being talked about; the government intends to charge for the miles driven, apparently without reducing other related taxes!

In response, John Thurso, the LibDem Shadow Transport Secretary, has said:

First, we need to provide better public transport alternatives wherever possible and, secondly, we need a charging regime for car use - not car ownership - which reflects both congestion and need. In the medium to long-term we should be charging vehicles for when and where they use our roads, taxing the use rather than ownership of cars.

At the same time however, we must also improve our local transport infrastructure as part of the same equation. In our towns and cities buses often provide the most economical and environmentally friendly form of public transport. London has demonstrated what can be done and we need to allow other towns the same regulatory regime in order to provide the same sort of result.


This is actually quite a good and fair idea -- cut the car tax and charge people for how they use their car. But there is NO WAY a road tax should or could be implemented until the sickly public transport system is fixed. Toll roads are already popping up all over the UK, and people are fuming about it.

Here's part of the LibDem economic platform. I found its familiarity quite interesting!

We have only one tax raising measure which will fund three key priorities.

We will scrap student fees, provide free personal care for the elderly, and reduce local taxes.

To pay for these three priorities we will raise the top rate of tax on incomes over £100,000.

Remember that the average household income in Britain is £23,000 a year and that those earning over £100,000 a year represent the wealthiest one percent of taxpayers.
(my emphasis)

We publish today the results of a poll conducted by NOP which shows that 75% of electors are in favour of this policy – and only 21% are against.

That seems a pretty fair endorsement to me.

And second, we will spend money differently.

We will redirect £5bn a year of existing Government spending so that we can invest in high priority areas like better pension, lower class sizes and more police.

We will cut specific programmes such as the Child Trust Fund, compulsory Identity Cards, and the final tranche of Eurofighter.

We will scrap unnecessary quangos and central Government departments and functions.

This will be set out in full in our costings document published with our manifesto.

Today we are publishing a headline summary of our plans which shows, by policy area, how much we will spend and how much we will save.

The most unfair tax in Britain is the Council (poll) Tax.

We will scrap it and replace it with a local income tax based on the ability to pay.

(More at The Liberal Democrats website)


The Tories meanwhile have pledged to freeze the current poll (property) tax revaluations...if they're elected. (The Tories are the conservatives; there's not much to trust there if one already doesn't trust Blair/Labour.) You can read about that here if you're interested.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:56 AM
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4. Yeah, they laugh at us for electing bush, it looks like it will be our
turn in a few days.
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Michael_UK Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:00 AM
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6. Why, for voting in Blair? nt
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:16 AM
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11. Yep
Yet again a country's voters choose to re-elect a proven liar, warmonger
and self-serving hypocrite.

This sad result reflects the reality-TV/tabloid/lager-lout stupidity of
the majority of voters as much as it confirms the entrenched nature of
the "governing classes". The former just do what they are told to do;
the latter only want to do the telling, never any 'doing' of their own.

Not quite as extreme as the US variant but still worthy of contempt.
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:01 AM
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7. Killing me softly.
The first thing I thought when I skimmed the article was "Damn -- I wished it was Ted Kennedy."

But of course, I should know better. "Accountability" in America is what your bookkeeper has a degree in, and nothing more.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:54 AM
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8. Go LibDems
I like that party and Mr Kennedy. If Britain had a proportional voting system instead of winner-takes-all constituencies, they would have been more influential, too.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 08:40 AM
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9. 'PM could drag us into new war'

By Joe Murphy Political Editor, Evening Standard
25 April 2005

Charles Kennedy today claimed Britain could be dragged into a new Middle East war if Tony Blair is re-elected.

He accused the US of plotting an attack on Iran within 18 months - and said there was "no reason to trust" the Prime Minister to stay out.

Mr Kennedy's claims, in a keynote speech, come after the Iraq invasion was propelled into the centre of the election battle by the weekend leaking of new details of the Government's secret legal advice.

On the chances of a war with Iran, the Liberal Democrat leader said: "It is clear that the military option is being actively considered in Washington.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18148960?source=Evening%20Standard
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:10 AM
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10. It's a shame people won't listen to the truth.
Watch for the draft and the Iran war hype in June.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.21272015
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:35 PM
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12. kick
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:36 PM
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13. Kennedy urges voters to punish Blair over invasion
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 10:28 PM by NNN0LHI
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=633064

Charles Kennedy called on voters to punish the Prime Minister for his decision to invade Iraq, saying it would be a central issue in the general election.

In a damning attack on Tony Blair's decision to launch an "illegal" war, he blamed the Prime Minister for misleading the British people over Iraq and said voters "have no reason to trust his word".

The Liberal Democrat leader added that the Iraq war deserved to be a central issue. "Every Labour candidate should answer for the Government's rush to war", while the Tories deserved to be punished for their "supine support" for the invasion.

The Liberal Democrats, who consistently opposed the war, predicted that Labour would pay on polling day for its support of George Bush. In Labour seats, such as Pendle in Lancashire and Luton South, where the Liberal Democrats came a poor third last time, the party is seeing a surge of support.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:36 PM
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14. THROW BLAIR OUT. HE IS A DISGRACE. LABOUR GOES DOWN.
Charles Kennedy :yourock:
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:36 PM
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15. to bad this would mean people who would supprt bush would
get elected. but you know somebody's got to pay for bush's sins.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:36 PM
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16. Lets hope the Brits do a better job of voting the issue
We don't do that to well here in America. We voted on guns, gods and gays here in the U.S. we did not vote on the presidential issue. Spain voted on the presidential issue, lets hope that the British vote on the P.M. issue. I am not sure if I articulated that very well but I think the idea is there plain enough.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:17 PM
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17. Kennedy is one of the few voices of reason
He has consistantly been a beacon of light for truth and sanity in a storm of lies and greed. Noone can refute a word he says. He has nailed Bliar over and over. If politicians were like Charles Kennedy, our world would be perfect. Why are there so few like him. Of course he'll lose this election. But it's nice to dream. And he's young. So he will be with us for some time.
I pray their "referendum" turns out better than ours did. The whole world can't be insane.
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MontageOfFreedom Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:37 AM
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18. This brings me a feeling of deja-vu.
Will Tony Blair's election at the ballot box, also be thwarted by criminal activity?
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