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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:45 PM
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US prepares for nuclear stand-off with Pyongyang
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=633050

26 April 2005


The United States may soon seek a UN Security Council resolution to impose a virtual international quarantine on North Korea to pressure its regime to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions.

Frustration with North Korea's refusal to return to six-nation talks and growing alarm at signs that the country may be preparing to conduct an underground test is giving momentum to hawkish members of the US administration who want the issue taken to the council as soon as possible.

There was a bellicose reaction last night from North Korea. A Foreign Ministry spokesman said: "If the United States wants so much to drag the nuclear issue to the UN Security Council, it may do so. But we want to make clear we will regard sanctions as a declaration of war."

The New York Times says Washington is considering a resolution to permit foreign countries to intercept shipments of goods to North Korea that may include nuclear materials. This could entail boarding ships in international waters and the forcing down of aircraft bound for the country.

A resolution could, in theory, also help efforts by China to police movements of goods across its border with North Korea, considered a sieve for drugs, arms and counterfeit currency. But it is unclear whether China, a permanent member of the council, would support such a move
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If we do this
Isn't this an act of war on North Korea

the Axis of Evil continues!!!:nuke:
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:50 PM
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1. Oh goody, George now gets to try the big bomb! He is one tough cookie,
ain't he?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:51 PM
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2. I am not sure whether it would be an act of war if the U.N. went along.
Although, the notion of international law is rather murky at the best of times and Bush put the boots to what little civilized precedent that had been developing. One doubts the U.N. would go along anyway. Not that Bush would care one way of the other.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 09:56 PM
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3. If NK continues with its planned nuclear test
The UN will probably go along.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:10 PM
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8. actually, just the opposite
getting nukes is the ticket into 'the club'.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:12 PM
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12. I think ixion is right!!! Once you have one whats people going to
do??? This is a test for Iran too!!! There next to go Nuclear!!!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:03 AM
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18. Correct. We have never attacked a country that had them.
Or a McDonald's BTW.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:02 PM
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4. Ok so if the UN doesn't its a declaration of War on Korea right
and won't we need another vote in the Congress???
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:13 PM
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16. maybe not
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) we are still technically in a state of war with N Korea. Just in cease-fire mode.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:05 AM
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21. correct, the war never really ended just agreed to cease-fire
since it became a stalemate in the end of the major fighting
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:34 AM
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19. No Wonder the "rush" for Bolton, maybe?
Sharon at the ranch last week... far from the Hill's ears/eyes.
Prince Oil today...
Rumors of Iran/Syria/Libya

Rush/urgency for Bolton <--- one who bullied small one to re-write Cuba had *.

Shew. Keep repeating that 'cause I'm running out of good shocking words to use w/this BS adm*
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:02 PM
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5. Reduced to pure logic, blockades are illegal
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 10:22 PM by wuushew
North Korea presumably will detonate a nuclear device underground on its own soil. This in itself is not an threat to the United States nor violates international law since North Korea is no longer a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, much like our good buddies Pakistan and Israel.

A confrontation at sea will spill blood and it will be us who initiates such actions. We will not do so in reaction to actual events but rather to the whims which exist in the now fashionable world of potentialities and arbitrary distinctions of right or wrong.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:07 PM
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6. Once N Korea detonates its first nuke they will just be another good friend
Just like India and Pakistan. They will be invited into the WTO and be afforded most favored nation status soon thereafter. Before you know it the US will be selling them F-16's as a sign of our good will.

Don

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:08 PM
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7. North Korea has said a blockade is tantamount to an act of war
This is a game of chicken with atomic weapons involved. You play chicken long enough, you fry.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:10 PM
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10. Its like we are going to starve them out with a blockade!!!
Thats the purpose right!!! This is like what we did with cuba in the missile crisis except the island is far away from us.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:10 PM
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9. The commie psycho from the east meets the fascist psycho from the west.
Watch as loony dictators go head to head in a fierce battle to see who gets to drop the bomb first!

This message sponsored by your local draft board.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:02 AM
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17. lol
:rofl:
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:12 PM
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11. Ummm...didn't we do more or less the same thing to Japan in 1941?
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 10:12 PM by kysrsoze
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:36 AM
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20. He's Re-Writing Pre-FDR His way...
Like Burger King, except King Chimp w/fries.

:scared:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:14 PM
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13. Is it me or are we asking China to do our dirty work???
Is China going to want to police North Korea???
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:38 PM
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14. nominated -- wouldn't want this to go unnoticed.
now would we?

just imagining any of the idiots in this administration trying to *negotiate* anything more complicated than a vending machine sends shivers down my backbone.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 10:47 PM
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15. Johnny Bolton to the rescue!!!!! n/t
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 11:15 AM
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22. US seeks to put N Korea 'in quarantine'
US seeks to put N Korea 'in quarantine'
By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 26/04/2005)

Hawkish officials in the Bush administration, frustrated by the diplomatic impasse over North Korea, are floating the idea of a United Nations resolution authorising a "quarantine" on the secretive Stalinist state.

The plan would be for a UN-sanctioned monitoring programme that would allow nations to intercept shipments in and out of North Korea to check for nuclear materials or parts. The idea stems from mounting concern, particularly in conservative circles, that while talks remain frozen, Pyongyang may be on the brink of staging its first nuclear test.

The putative UN resolution would allow for the boarding of ships and the forcing down of aircraft for inspection, The New York Times reported yesterday.

Officials also suggested that it was broadly aimed at enabling China to police its border with North Korea, the regime's main conduit for hard-currency goods.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/26/wkor26.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/04/26/ixportal.html
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 11:15 AM
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23. Darn that Bill Clinton!
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