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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:57 AM
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Cubans Demand U.S. Expel Terror Suspect
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBZ57BA78E.html

HAVANA (AP) - Cuban officials on Sunday used a vast May Day gathering to compare terror attacks on their country to those on the United States and to demand that the United States expel a man accused of blowing up a civilian jetliner.


Pedro Ross, head of Cuba's communist labor unions, accused U.S. President George W. Bush of a "complicit silence" in the case of Luis Posada Carriles, whose attorney says he is seeking asylum in the United States.

Speaking ahead of Cuban President Fidel Castro at Cuba's annual May Day rally, Ross demanded the immediate arrest of Posada and his extradition to Venezuela, where he awaits trial on charges of helping blow up a Cuban jetliner in 1976, killing 73 people.

Posada denies involvement in that incident. Cuban officials say he was involved in many other attacks. He at times has acknowledged planning bombings of Cuban hotels, one of which killed Italian tourist Fabio di Celmo.

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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:10 AM
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1. i sometines think..
that the usa has moved so far into the dark side, that there is no returning..that the usa has gone way beyond the point of no return..into the direction of darkness..into evilness....and that the world see this, even if we do not.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:41 AM
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2. Anytime we ever learn what has happened, it's almost by accident!
We are simply kept in the dark when Republican Presidents are manipulating foreign affairs, with the help of propagandists like Cuban "exile" Otto Reich.

From the article:
Posada's lawyer, Eduardo Soto, says his client worked for the CIA for years and deserves asylum protection because he would face possible execution if returned to Cuba.

Soto says Posada, 77, entered the United States illegally through Mexico in March. Soto filed papers seeking political asylum in the United States earlier this month.

Venezuela's Supreme Court last week began processing an extradition request for a Posada, who is wanted there for treason and for the airline bombing.

Posada and three associates were imprisoned in Panama in an alleged plot in 2000 to kill Castro at a conference in Panama. They were pardoned last year by outgoing President Mireya Moscoso and Posada has not been seen publicly since then.
(snip/...)
Moscoso pardoned him 5 days before leaving office. She contacted Cuban "exile" leaders in Miami by phone to inform them of what she had done immediately. They knew this in Miami before ordinary U.S. citizens had any idea.

The text concerning the photo of Moscoso sitting between Condoleeza Rice and Laura Bush said, in one source, that it was a departure in protocol for her to attend this Washington African-American celebration concert in a personal party with the pResident.



Yet, she was apparently a part of Bush's ongoing war against Cuba, which seems to have had its roots in his father's association with the Cuban "exiles" in Miami even before the Bay of Pigs. These people are simply conducting their own private plans aganst Cuba, with absolutely no concern for the opinion or wishes of the citizens of our country who, in a large majority, want to normalize relations with the island and get over this stupid hostility.
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:17 PM
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3. Money makes dumb friendships!
If the Republicans and rich could once again have their way, they would put someone like Posada into power in Cuba and go back to taking everything over once again and never giving a damned thing back to the country! For those who don't know or can't remember; nearly every thing in Cuba remained in the ownership of rich americans and foreigners when they were given independence. The sugar, tobacco, all hotels, casinos, airlines, properties (65%)were owned by non Cubans! These people supported a rich dictator for years just like the US supported Marcos in the Philippines. When the dictators become too powerful and bad, then it was OK for someone like Castro to come along and take them out. They figured Castro to be just another buy-able dictator! When he nationalized everything foreign owned, the US said NO NO NO but he didn't give it all back and made an enemy who refused to help him restore his country. Well we all know, Russia and communism was right there to say YES YES YES.
My big question is who will be helping us once we get the US back! Hope it is Canada!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:41 PM
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4. You're right. Our right-wing has been planning to take over Cuba
for years. Just waiting for the right moment to strike, apparently, if the opportunity avails itself.

They'd probably love it back exactly as it was which was too painful for the population to bear in the first place. The only way they could keep a Republican government in charge of Cuba is to kill off a lot of Cubans, and install a heavy military presence. I don't think that would bother our right-wing one bit. It seems to please them to control others under the filthy appearance of "helping" them.

Never forget U.S. Undersecretary of War John C. Breckenridge:
"We must destroy everything within our cannons' range of fire. We must
impose a harsh blockade so that hunger and ... disease undermine the
peaceful population and decimate the Cuban army...

"To sum up, our policy must always be to support the weaker against the
stronger, until we have obtained the extermination of them both, in order
to annexe the Pearl of the Antilles", wrote US Secretary of War
Breckenridge on Christmas Eve, 1897.

(snip)
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchive/940cuba.htm
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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:38 PM
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5. History for all- some will remember!
We as humans learn from the things we do, right or wrong! It's like the first human to feel a comfortable warmth from fire and then understand from the first flesh burn that it wasn't good without control. (That must have been the origin of hell and heaven!) Well now it is understood by many that there are millions of things that humans learned in the past (a history) and was destroyed by control of the few for their own power. It still goes on today!
The Indians of the Northwest remembered for over 7000 years about the eruption of Mt. Mazama, which created Crater Lake. Out of 20 college graduates, I once asked,(1980) not one knew what a tag on a product meant that read "Made in 'occupied' Japan"! It will sure be easy to forget one in the future "Made in Occupied USA" after the total take over!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:51 PM
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7. "the usa has moved so far into the dark side, that there is no returning."
.
.
.

ur right

too late

and we DO see . .

whaddya think all these trade agreements going on excluding the US is all about ?

US ain't got enuf bullets and bombs to scare the world into putting up with it's greed . .

and like another DUer claimed - "hang on - it's gonna be a rough ride"

lotta angry people out here at the USA - -

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 04:47 PM
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6. Miami Herald LTTE- "I've had to learn to forgive a terrorist"
In today's Miami Herald

I've had to learn to forgive a terrorist
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/editorial/letters/11524646.htm
I am a cousin of Raymond Persaud, one of the 73 innocent victims of the Cubana Airlines bombing in 1976. At the time of the tragedy, I was a surgeon working in Barbados. When I received the call about the plane crash off the coast of Barbados, I was in the operating-room performing surgery. At that moment, my first thoughts were that since none of my relatives was traveling by plane that day, there was nothing for me to worry about.

Soon after, however, I received another call, this time from my family in Guyana, asking me if Raymond had stopped off at my home and desperately hoping that he had done so. Of course he hadn't.

The next day, it was my task to visit every single morgue in Bridgetown, Barbados to see if I could identify Raymond's body. The sights were gruesome, and I was unable to identify my cousin.

Raymond was a youth pastor in the Lutheran church near his home. He was not a communist. He believed in Jesus and love.

I subsequently discovered that one of the accused bombers was Orlando Bosch, a doctor trained in pediatrics. It was hard for me to conceive how someone in the same profession as I, trained to save people, could perform such a vile deed. Later I found out that the CIA, headed by the senior President Bush at the time, was responsible for training the terrorists.

There were athletes, students, innocent women and children on that plane. To this day there have been very few if any expressions of remorse by the terrorists or by the U.S. government. Orlando Bosch and Freddie Lugo have lived in Miami for several years now.

In the meantime, one of my nephews who lives and works in Miami has a wife and two little children. But his wife cannot come into the country -- though terrorists can. Where is the democracy we speak of? Where are the family values we speak of?

Many years have passed since the Cubana bombing. I have learned that in order for healing to occur, we must forgive those who trespass against us; no matter how much they hurt us. In this war between the forces of good and evil, there are no innocent victims. Good and evil lie in the heart of each of us. There is a terrorist lurking in the heart of every so-called good person.

We are all victims as well as criminals when we sit back and watch evil around us and we choose to do or say nothing.

I have put the past behind me and am ready to move on. I have learned that through the willingness to give and to forgive, we remove a tremendous burden from our shoulders. In other words, we get rid of excess baggage that weighs us down and prevents us from moving on to fulfill our destiny. This was the meaning and purpose of Christ. His message was about love. Love can only come through a willingness to give and forgive. And it has to come from the heart. I believe in the message as well as in the messenger.

ANDREW SEARS, Saginaw, Mich.








www.stopbolton.org
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 08:07 PM
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9. Thanks for posting that Mika n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 08:12 PM
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10. Bombers got off the plane in Barbados & went to US embassy.
And at some moment they asked the driver not to go to the hotel but to go to the American Embassy and, at a particular moment, something struck the mind of the driver. He listened when one of the individuals signalled a building, when approaching downtown Bridgetown, and referred to the American Embassy. In Bridgetown, at this moment, there were very few embassies. The US and very few countries had a representation there. We didn't at the time. This was noted by the driver because it is rather strange that somebody who is entering the country should know this, unless he had been there before.

Then they went to the Embassy, according to this driver.

Another taxi driver, from the hotel - after the Embassy, they went to the Holiday Inn - reported that, on two occasions, on the afternoon of that day, they asked him to bring them to the American Embassy.

And he gave a very detailed report: the time, when they left the car, and so on and so forth.


http://www.counterpunch.org/allard04192005.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:10 PM
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13. Never have heard this info. until now. It's so revealing.
More from the Counterpunch article:
Who knows, it was a rather stupid thing for them to do but they were very affected by what happened. Because one thing is to put a bomb that explodes and to read in the papers what has happened. And another thing to watch with your own eyes when those people among whom you had been a few minutes before, are physically destroyed.

Apparently that shocked them and that they couldn't imagine that this would be the situation. Some people have interviewed them, have written books about that story and they always stressed that they didn't expect to watch, to see the result of their action and that may explain why they became so nervous.

So nervous that they acted in a very suspicious manner. Including going to the Embassy, to get protection. They were afraid of having been committed in a very serious crime.

Imagine that the plane had exploded a couple of hours later. It could have been near Jamaica, for example. Or in Jamaica, on the ground. It would have been more difficult to suspect that some individuals had left the plane in Barbados. But that having happened in front of everybody in that small island, with only two persons descending from the plane, two persons that immediately attempted to depart, going back And the fact has been very clearly documented that the only thing that they did in Barbados was to get in contact with Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Nothing else. They didn't go shopping; they didn't go to the beach; they didn't do anything in that tourist island. And allegedly they also went to the US Embassy. And there are two sources of information for that. I stress that point because years later the US Government would say that they had nothing to do with all that.
(snip/...)
These people are not citizens of the world: human beings. They belong to a small, evil group of amoral monsters working for their own personal goals which have NOTHING to do with concern and love for their fellow countrymen.



Young and old Posada Carriles..
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:26 PM
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14. Sad, sad notes from Raymond Persaud's cousin.
His name is mentioned in this account of the bombing:
It's not an ordinary day in this usually busy air terminal, in that today, due to a labor dispute on the neighboring island of Trinidad, few aircraft are landing and taking off. Not much air traffic and not much heat. At this time, 12:21 p.m., one of the few air planes to have arrived here today has just landed. It's a huge 151-seater McDonnell Douglas four-engine DC-8 jet, Series 43, displaying Cubana Airlines registration number CUT-1201 on its blue, white and red tail. It has arrived from Port of Spain,Trinidad, where it made the initial stopover of flight number 455 which took off from Georgetown, Guyana, at 10:00 a.m. Its final destination, after a second stopover in Kingston Jamaica, is Havana.

Minutes later, after a precise, routine landing, its 51 passengers begin to descend the mobile stairway situated in front of the left wing and very close to the cabin. Some of them don raincoats; others use the brightly colored umbrellas provided by airport services. For the 41 passengers who are in transit (25 Cubans, 11 Guyanese and five Koreans), it's another brief stopover, less than one hour. For the other six (two Venezuelans, two Trinidadians, one Colombian and a Dutchman), whose tickets are for Seawell,it's the end of the Journey.

Among those descending to continue the journey, two groups of young and animated people attract attention, one speaking Spanish and the other English. One of these groups is made up of the 24 members of the Cuban fencing team which had swept the Central American fencing championship in Caracas one week earlier. They traveled to Trinidad on Viasa the day before to catch the Cuban flight. They are contented with their sports triumph, highly praised by the South American and Caribbean press, but are masking their feat with modesty. At this moment, they're surely thinking of the upcoming reception by their nation, to which they're returning heaped with medals. The other group consists of six Guyanese young people who are traveling to Cuba to study medicine. One of them, Raymond Persaud, 19, is flying for the first time. He previously turned down two scholarships in capitalist countries but, to the surprise of his father, a Baptist preacher in GeorgeTown, he immediately accepted the one offered him in Cuba, an island whose social and educational experience have interested him for a long time.

The group of 11 Guyanese is completed by economist Gordon Sobha, traveling to the German Democratic Republic; Margaret Bradshaw, 22, the wife of a Guyanese embassy official in Cuba, who had left in her country her first son, born just two months earlier; and nine-year-old Sabrina Harripaul, traveling to Kingston with her aunt and grandmother to catch a flight to Canada on another airline. Five Korean officials who are members of a cultural delegation; four Cubans from the Caribbean Shrimp Fleet, and another Cuban official in transit in Guyana complete the group of 45 passengers Continuing on the flight.
(snip/...)
Isn't it horrendous that the other bombing planner, Orlando Bosch told the Miami New Times: There were no innocents on board that plane.



Young and old Bosch
(who lives comfortably in Miami,
thanks to Bush *41's pardon.)
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 08:01 PM
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8. "Robert Marsh, a U.S. citizen who's fiance was killed in the 9/11 attack..
at the same event...

snip>
Robert Marsh, a U.S. citizen who's fiance was killed in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, thanked Cuba for rapidly condemning the 2001 attack and announced a letter writing campaign to demand U.S. authorities bring Posada to justice.

"The administration has allowed terrorists that target Cuba to operate with impunity from right within the United States," Marsh said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050501/pl_nm/cuba_castro_dc
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 08:15 PM
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11. A Splendid Little War
These events in Cuba coincided in the 1890s with a battle for readership between the American newspaper chains of Hearst and Pulitzer. Hearst's style of "yellow journalism" would outdo Pulitzer's, and he infamously used the power of his press to influence American opinion in favor of war. Often completely fabricated or just simply inflammatory, Hearst published sensationalized tales of atrocities which the "cruel Spanish" (see Black Legend) were inflicting on the "hapless Cubans". Outraged by the "inhumanity" of the Spanish, Americans were stirred up to pushing for an "intervention", which even the most jaded hawks, like a young Theodore Roosevelt, would treat as a mostly dress-up affair. Hearst is famously quoted in his response to a request by his illustrator Frederic Remington to return home from a uneventful and docile stay in Havana, writing: "Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."

There were, however, more genuine pressures pushing towards war. The United States Navy had recently grown considerably, but it was still untested, and many old war dogs were eager to test and use their new tools. The Navy had drawn up plans for attacking the Spanish in the Philippines over a year before hostilities broke out. The end of western expansion and of large-scale conflict with Native Americans also left the Army with little to do, and army leadership hoped that some new task would come. From an early date, many in the United States had felt that Cuba was "rightly" theirs. The so-called theory of manifest destiny made the island just off the coast of Florida seem an attractive candidate for American "expansion". Much of the island's economy was already in American hands, and most of its trade, much of which was black market, was with the U.S. Some business leaders pushed for conflict as well. In the words of Senator John M. Thurston of Nebraska: "War with Spain would increase the business and earnings of every American railroad, it would increase the output of every American factory, it would stimulate every branch of industry and domestic commerce."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-American_War

When the US accepted the Marielitos, it was stating that its "own" citizens have a home on the mainland.
When the US sent Elian back to Cuba, they admitted to Cuban sovereignty and pretty much acknowledged Cuba's right to exist as a free and separate nation.
Thanks be to Scarface.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:05 PM
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12. It seems Posada Carriles wasn't as invisable as he imagined.
This report indicates people definitely knew he was around. You have to ask yourself how he ended up on an island so close to Cuba, only a short boat ride from Cancun. Was he homesick for Cuba, hoping to get a glance? Hoping to drop of some more bombs?

It's also interesting people in the Caribbean are this aware of these terrorists that he's easily identified:
Terrorist Was Seen in Mexico on Route to Miami
By Yimel Díaz Malmierca and Alberto Monduy

Havana, April 20, (Trabajadores).- The departure from Panama of the dangerous international terrorist Luis Posada Carriles, and his apparent disappearance in Central America on route to the United States was carefully studied and carried out in great secrecy to keep authorities from suspecting.

Addressing an audience that included survivors and relatives of victims of the numerous terrorist attacks launched against Cuba from US territory, President Fidel Castro provided further details about the path followed by Posada Carriles after he and three other Cuban-American terrorists were pardoned by outgoing Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso, during her last week in office in August 2004.

During his special address Wednesday evening, Fidel Castro cited an article in the newspaper “Por esto,” which circulates in the Mexican state of Quintana Roo, and in which journalist Yolanda Gutierrez asserted that Posada Carriles had been seen and clearly identified walking the streets.

The article provided details of the activities of the crew of the “Santrina” shrimp boat whose skipper was Cuban-American terrorist Jose Pujols. According to the newspaper, Pujols said they had departed the Bahamas headed for Isla Mujeres, and that the crew belonged to an organization devoted to creating ecological awareness among the youth. Pujols had argued that while it might seem illogical to head for Isla Mujeres and then go on to Miami, that was their mission.

Fidel Castro noted that Pujols may have been referring to the boat’s stopover at Isla Mujeres to pick up Posada Carriles, adding that as had been informed on March 14, the boat had run aground at Isla Mujeres and Pujols had departed in a rush the following day, despite having been granted a two-day stay.

The Cuban president further noted that the newspaper reported that the crew list did not include the name of Posada Carriles or that of terrorist Santiago Alvarez, whose photo appeared in the newspaper.
(snip/...)
http://www.periodico26.cu/english_new/cuba/maps210405.htm
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