Fla. Won't Appeal Abortion for 13 - Year - Old (Jeb just tossed in the

towel)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Abortion-Dispute.html

May 3, 2005
Fla. Won't Appeal Abortion for 13 - Year - Old
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 12:10 p.m. ET

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- A judge ruled that a 13-year-old girl at the center of an abortion fight with the state may terminate her pregnancy, and Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the state will not appeal further.

Juvenile Judge Ronald Alvarez ruled Monday that the teen, who has been in state custody for four years, would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the procedure. Last week, Alvarez blocked the girl's abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed.

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and doesnt feel like getting spanked again

but I have a spare crying for Randell Terry (sp?).

by ordering the state police to move Terri to a hospital to have her feeding tube reinserted before he knew whether he was acting legally. With a presidential run on his back burner, resurrecting that memory might inspire someone to launch an investigation, or worse, impeachment proceedings!

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rocknation

http://66.195.16.55/bio832.html

A state agency may take Terri Schiavo into custody while it investigates allegations of abuse and neglect by her estranged husband Michael. The Miami Herald newspaper reported that state officials are considering taking the action so Terri's can receive food and water before she dies.

SNIP

Florida DCF secretary Lucy Hadi told the Palm Beach Post newspaper that her staff is relying on a state law giving authority to intervene on behalf of a vulnerable adult "suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury."

Hadi said a petition must be filed with local courts to remove Terri from Woodside Hospice, where she lives, but that the agency could remove her without approval if it feels such action is warranted to protect her life.

"We're not compelled to look at prior judicial proceedings," Hadi told the Post. "What we're compelled to look at is the presenting circumstance and any allegation of abuse and neglect that we've received. So we have to deal with those and fulfill our statutory responsibility, notwithstanding anything else that may have gone on before."

Any Proof to support this supposition?

who appointed her.

were born and bred to be politicians. They've never known anything else.

I mean, imagine a governor not getting the state involved in a personal medical decision! Won't someone please think of the meddlers???

Good 'ol Randall's appearance in any controversy does us more good than any Dem that chooses to get involved.
Preach on brotha!

Ok, I know HOW, but has any more info on WHO come out during the hearings?

have said. She was a runaway from foster care.

And was gone for a few weeks.

The state claims they contacted authorities as soon as she ran away, but refuses to provide evidence they did.


The real question is not how she turned up pregnant, but how she turned up pregnant while under the care and protection of the state of Florida.

If she doesn't get lost, starved or beaten to death the baby might just end up simply nonfunctional and pregnant as a child, to give birth to another foster baby.....

she ran away and they probably didn't notice until it was too late and they're claiming they did so they can save their own asses. They more then likely have crappy security there which appears to be the case with this girl since she ran away a few times already.

The state claimed they notified authorities, but won't say who.

The police said they weren't notified.

I wish the judge would have forced the state to say exactly who was notified, and when they were notified.

..they're having unprotected sex. But that's okay, cuz the school brought in 2 abstinence only presenters this year. Working great so far.. :eyes:

Thanks, "small-government" 'pubs! Great work reducing the reach of government into people's lives. Way to go.

They aren't finished yet.

dept let her run away which resulted in pregnancy!

The DCF dept has been seriously mismanaged and poorly funded. Remember 5-year-old Rilya Wilson?

When Florida ranked 36th among the 50 states in 1999 for key indicators of children's well-being. Oklahoma ranked 40th. Its secretary of Health & Human Services at the time was Jerry Regier, which was exaclty the man Bush tapped to head Florida's Department of Children & Families. Oh by the way....Jerry Regier is an evangelical Christian who views spanking that causes ''bruises or welts'' as acceptable punishment. He resigned from the Florida DCF in Aug, 2004, six weeks after apologizing for fraternizing with lobbyists who did business with the agency.

Fighting this abortion would only highlight the situation at Jeb's DCF even more and possibly throw his his buddy into the limelight.

themselves without Government intervention!!!

Imagine that! :sarcasm:

Just like poor Terri.

Shame, shame, shame.

being sarcastic - please)

:shrug:

;-)

I know that it's off topic, but there was a crime committed.

I don't think a minor can be charged with statuory rape...sexual assault, maybe.

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rocknation

16+ is legal, but there's no age exemption for minors 15 and lower to legally have sex. If a 12 year old male sleeps with a 14 year old female, the male can be sent to jail for statutory rape.

and be charged with statutory rape.

as far as I can tell, unless he FORCED her to have sex, in other words, rape, then BOTH would be thrown in jail, otherwise the law is just messed up.

but that a 15 year old male having sex with a 13 year old female would not be charged....

Anyone know for sure?

Either way - No one should be having sex with a 13 year old....

but I wonder ...was ethnicity a factor? I hate even thinking like that but.....

Would any "prolifer" have cared two shits about Terri if she were an African-American prostitute who ended up in a coma after a crack overdose?

Sure it's about life.

and therefore in no need to of their attention or "help."

She had a heart attack because of bulimia.

on Malloy's show he was talking about a little girl in Texas who has cancer and a hospital is making them find somewhere else to go. :( I betcha Randall Terry isn't helping them. Asshole. He needs to stay the hell out of other people's situations and talk to his own kids.

meaning on state health care, if it would have ever been an issue. I know its awful to think, but race is still very much a factor in this society, especially with the repukes.



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They're about to turn off life support for a 6 month old in Houston. This is the same law that unplugged a 2-3 year old's life support while the Schiavo nonsense was occurring.

The law the not so curious george signed into law in 1999.

As Baby Sun Hudson could have told you, thanks to a law Texas governor Dubya Bush signed. His mother was a woman of color and poor, and he was unplugged the week before Dubya interrupted his vacation to sign Terri's Law.



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rocknation

it was the same week as Schavio?

Terri Shiavo would have woke up only to reveal she was a lesbian muslim. They would have freaked!

On life support, let alone 15 years.

Why would the state decide for the girl that she is too young to have an abortion but not too young to be a mother?

Do the state consider her mature enough to bear the responsibilities of a mother?

Whenever I hear a state deciding for someone what he/she could do with his/her body I go really mad.

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Jeb doesn't want to deal with down the line---

the 13 year-old already stated in open court that if made to have the baby, she would fight to keep it.

Now, that would be a nasty fight.....

Incredible...to think that the so called "Pro-lifers" would rather risk this young 13 year olds health and life to carry a baby full term (only to then take it away and shove it in the same system that let this 13 year old in their "care" who had runaway and got pregnant) is disgusting!

To think that they would not allow her to make that decision for her own health and well-being is disgusting and just proves that they care more about the fetus than about living beings breathing the air after birth.

I too get crazed at the idea of anybody, especially Government deciding what a person can and should do with his or her body and medical decisions.

:grr:

I mean, who will protect this fetus????????

From the 'activist judges'?????????

Where is Tom DeLay??????

What about Preznitwit Bush????????

Have they abandoned this case?

This should never have been an issue in the first place.

This has got to make any would-be supporters think twice.

I'd really like for Tom Delay and Randall Terry both to start raising a stink about this just to keep their ugly faces in the eyes of America to show them what kind of numbskulls are trying to take over.

TlalocW

We need Jeb to change his mind ASAP so the Right can continue its' self-immolation.

Jay

Hopefully she won't be surrounded by swarms of screaming fundies when she actually goes in for the procedure. Poor kid.

I hope that when she goes in for the procedure it won't be another "here comes every fundamentalist-whacko crawling out from every rock" thing.:freak::freak::freak::freak::freak:

Do you think that Jeb let this alone for now, only to be able to turn around later and use this in the 'liberal, activist judges' fight? He would use this as a case in point... Just wondering?

He can claim that his hands were tied by the "librul judges" that killed Terri. Two strikes against librul judges in the 'thuglican arena of hate.

proves to be a win-win for Jeb. Saving his 'fight' for later. My first thought after reading this was that he and his team let this go too easily for this to really be finished business... IMHO.

If they would sacrifice 1500+ American soldiers to prop up Bushco's poll numbers, they wouldn't think twice about sacrificing this fetus if the whole thing can be used as another weapon in the fight over judges.

and make the Constitution "optional"

Just like both Jeb and W both had legislation wrote for Schavio that only applied to her knowing for that alone it would be overturned! It is just a way to act like they are trying to do something without actually accomplishing their supposed goal. It is just a bunch of Freedom Fries.

is. She ran away from foster care - perhaps from one of her care givers? If a male member of her foster family is responsible then the state of Florida (once again) is responsible for bad treatment of children in their care.

Some days I wish Florida would have a major earthquake - the result being that the entire state broke off from the mainland and it floated out into the ocean and became an independent country. Nothing about Florida seems to reflect its association with the U.S. I have been referring to it as a third-world country for many years. Several of my relatives live there and agree.

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Once the identity of the father became known the whole issue needed to be disappeared. There is insufficient interest in bringing the pervert to justice, which is telling all by itself. It is telling because either the misogynist right wing wacko "Christian" culture believes that men aren't responsible to control their urges or because the particular man isn't someone who is accountable for crimes, or both.

I'm pretty sure she said that the father was "a boy" she met while she was on the run.

She seems to be a remarkably level-headed child. I just hope she ends up in a living situation that will support and encourage her.

Kristen,
Not New, Just Quiet

seen on her own behalf in front of the judge, and she did it in a non-combative, respectful way. if anyone had wanted to fight her on this, i would have welcomed the opportunity to see her rebuttal.

.. sarcasm off ..

They shouldn't have been involved in the first place. Keep your eyes on the problem here, the legalities of what Jeb/etc were trying to do and don't get distracted by who the father was because that's just distraction stuff. The issue of how kids in state care get treated is another good issue to work on, but let that be another issue and lets finish off reproductive rights here first.

I was in extreme danger of exceeding my daily allowance of outrage after reading the state had filed an appeal.

My best wishes to this girl -

the GOP are doing to this country these days....

My best wishes to this girl and every American out there that they may still (hopefully) be able to make personal medical decisions affecting their health and well-being without the Government coming in and deciding for them!

...that a 13-yr-old girl has more intelligence and maturity than every Republican Fetus-Worshipper in Florida.

Not that this is exactly a surprise or anything.

namely the Schiavo affair and lookie how the dimwits got burned on this one. Jeb's not gonna appeal this one, which if they hadn't shot their wad on that other reeming of common decency, they would have gotten more mileage out of.

These people are so incompetent even at their own game of brazen public lying mixed with smoke-filled room deviousness, they fall flat on their faces.

Let's see Randall Terrell and hannity and Rush rip Jeb a new one. yet you know they won't because they've already worked out their gameplan and that is to quickly get this behind them.

is under his care, and has been seriously mismanaged and poorly funded for years! Remember 5-year-old Rilya Wilson?

Fighting the abortion would only highlight the fact that "HIS" DCF dept let her run away which resulted in pregnancy! It would also result in scrutiny of the agency in general plus possibly throw his buddy (who ran the dept)into the limelight.

When Florida ranked 36th among the 50 states in 1999 for key indicators of children's well-being. Oklahoma ranked 40th. Its secretary of Health & Human Services at the time was Jerry Regier, which was exaclty the man Bush tapped to head Florida's Department of Children & Families. Oh by the way....Jerry Regier is an evangelical Christian who views spanking that causes ''bruises or welts'' as acceptable punishment. He resigned from the Florida DCF in Aug, 2004, six weeks after apologizing for fraternizing with lobbyists who did business with the agency.

that "HIS" DCF dept let her run away which resulted in pregnancy!

The DCF dept has been seriously mismanaged and poorly funded. Remember 5-year-old Rilya Wilson?

When Florida ranked 36th among the 50 states in 1999 for key indicators of children's well-being. Oklahoma ranked 40th. Its secretary of Health & Human Services at the time was Jerry Regier, which was exaclty the man Bush tapped to head Florida's Department of Children & Families. Oh by the way....Jerry Regier is an evangelical Christian who views spanking that causes ''bruises or welts'' as acceptable punishment. He resigned from the Florida DCF in Aug, 2004, six weeks after apologizing for fraternizing with lobbyists who did business with the agency.

Fighting this abortion would only highlight the situation at Jeb's DCF even more and possibly throw his his buddy into the limelight.

He made the right call. This young woman has every right to decide what happens to her and her body.

Jeb Bush can kiss my ass.

Sonia

Pregnant Palm Beach County girl, 13, at center of abortion conflict
Apr 29, 2005

By John Coté
Staff Writer

April 30, 2005


"Why can't I make my own decision?"

That was the blunt question to a judge from a pregnant 13-year-old girl ensnared in a Palm Beach County court fight over whether she can have an abortion.

"I don't know," Circuit Judge Ronald Alvarez replied, according to a recording of the closed hearing obtained Friday.

"You don't know?" replied the girl, who is a ward of the state. "Aren't you the judge?"

Against a backdrop of state and federal efforts to pass a parental notification law for teen abortions, the exchange was typical of L.G.'s pluck as she argued that she had the right and capability to make her own decision, despite a move by the Department of Children & Families to seek a judge's permission for her abortion.

"I think if I want to make the decision, it's my business and I can do that," she told the judge.

More here:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sfl-pabortion30apr30,0,2118225.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines

I love it!!! Good for her!!!:thumbsup:
:applause:

HOw many kids have they lost track of? Apparently this young lady was one of them. And they think it is in her best interests to have a baby at the age of 13 rather than having an abortion? All of this on the Jebster's watch, also. Will Randall Terry be saying more nasty things about Jeb now? I love it when the RW fundies are at each other's throats.

What is it with Florida? Every time a situation arises, they have to scramble to write a new law tailor-made for that case? They don't like the laws they already have. How did the laws currently on the books ever get passed, anyway?

:)

And on Scarbrough they alredy had Terri Randal on screaming about the Judge and Gov. Bush.

I quickly changed the station.

I was just about to move tp FL so that i could secure him a 2008 victory, but after this F that.

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Keeping that Bush ideology alive

http://www.dumdumgoestothecircus.com/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4510847.stm

Tuesday, 3 May, 2005, 18:30 GMT 19:30 UK

Florida girl's abortion allowed

A pregnant 13-year-old girl in Florida has been allowed to have an abortion after a legal battle over the issue........


Florida Governor Jeb Bush said the state would not fight the judge's decision, but expressed sadness about the situation.

"It's a tragedy that a 13-year-old child would be in a vulnerable position where she could be made pregnant and it's a tragedy that her baby will be lost......


It is not clear if she has had the abortion.......

article above.

Quite an understatement.

That is all.

The Judge is an Cuban American and this is south Florida. IMHO, Jebbie did not want to piss off Caban Americans by saying this was a bad judge.

He got burned by the fundies on the Schaivo case and now again here he is with another one of those pesky "grey and grey" issues.

His agency screwed up with this girl in the first place and to force her to go through with the pregnancy would just keep that inconvenient fact in the news until the baby is born.

Hopefully the fundies will howl. Most people will agree that a 13 year old getting pregnant is a trajedy and that in this case an abortion is probably the best choice and that arguing the case further will only delay the inevetable and force the girl into a late-term abortion.