Future Licenses No Sunday Drive? (4 Forms ID for Driver's License/Renewal)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/03/politics/main692603.shtml

Motor vehicle bureaus would require four types of identification from Americans seeking driver's licenses under a proposed law designed to prod states into verifying the citizenship of applicants.

Uniform requirements for driver's license applications were among proposals accepted by House and Senate negotiators trying to resolve differences in their versions of a bill to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. They also agreed on changes in asylum laws but remained divided over how much money to spend on border security.

The New York Times reports the draft legislation should be completed in a few days and is all but certain to pass. The House could take it up later this week, but the Senate won't vote until after it reconvenes May 9.

A copy of the legislation, obtained by The Associated Press, indicated an applicant for a driver's license would be asked to show a birth certificate, a photo ID, proof of Social Security number, and a document with full name and home address. How it would affect the renewal of licenses for U.S. citizens was unclear.

They better not do this for renewal the friggin' idiots.

This MSNBC Story has a live vote link - at 01:20PM it is 68% against this idiocy. Governors are ticked at this measure.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7720464/

One of those fake pilot licenses you can buy in Times Square?

Just submit it. According to a supreme court decision a validly issued passport is ironclad proof of citizenship.

Guess we're all now supposed to get a photo Credit Card.

If not then lets see what else is acceptable. I was just making a suggestion.

I haven't gotten a new passport in years, but isn't photo ID required for that, also?

And welcome to DU!

all the ID you need to renew your passport. It is also cheaper to renew then to refile for one. My wife and I live in TX and we go to Mexico about once a year we keep valid passports.

or some other state or federal ID if you work directly for them.
You have to prove identity and that's why they want the picture ID.

And now we are supposed to present a passport to get a drivers license?
Could get interesting.

1. Money
2. 2 Pictures
3. A valid photo id
4. Copy of your birth certificate to prove US citizenship

You need a photo ID to get a driver's license. The most obvious choice for that would be a passport, but you need a photo ID to get that--which for most people would be a driver's license.

Catch-22.

drivers license

you also need a photo ID, so what are you going to present? A Driver's License which you also need a photo ID for?:shrug:

I'm not sure what the answer is. Whatever it is, the burden will be on the states who will have to foot the bill, just like all the mandates that come out of this WH.

:thumbsup:

I haven't lived in the US for 5 yrs and my DL expired about 3 yrs ago. I just returned about 3 weeks ago and was thinking about renewing it. I guess I better do it before this crap gets pushed through.

Most people don't. This so fucking stupid.

I was just suggesting a way to do it.

society where people now move among nations in the blink of an eye.

Everyone should have a passport. If you don't have a photo id then you can bring someone with you who does who will attest to your identification.

This really isn't that hard.

Assuming you were exchanging one state's DL for another (or renewing in your state) it would be the previous DL. Don't know how this would play out for first time drivers. If it's a college student, it could be a student ID, but I don't know if high schools issue ID cards...

Ah yes, another well thought out piece of legislation...:eyes:

How bizarre. :eyes:

dangerous (to civil rights) bill!

WHY is it being rushed through? That alone should make us suspicious!

This is a bait and switch. They already passed a driver's license bill which tightens security. This bill is really to give Homeland Security more powers which would not pass if the bill stood on its own.

I'm not sure what ID I had at 16...a Social Security Card and a HS Activity Card? Yeah...that's gonna save the country from Terrorism...make 16 year olds produce those Activity and Book Club cards...

People, they're innoculating us here. This isn't about safety. It's about control, compliance, and learning to obey when they show us the sparkly objects.

Little attention is given in the press that this bill allows the Homeland Security secretary to bypass U.S. laws to build border barriers. Homeland Security can at its descretion decide which roads are barriers and as such they can ignore all state, local and environmental laws in securing it. If you have a complaint (say that road is to be built on your property), tough. No court is allowed to hear your case.

that would have to be my fourth ID, cuz that's all I got not counting my DL

Please proceed to the camp on the left sir.

Seig Heil.

...to get her (lapsed) Connecticut drivers license issued/renewed in My state of New Hampshire to which she had just moved....Arrived at motor vehicle dept. with her birth certificate, Connecticut (photo) driver license and utility bills to indicate residence...Application denied...Get this-she had to send for a marriage certificate from Connecticut (1948) to show that her last name had legally changed from her birth name!!!! Driving her home I was forced to comment "That's funny, you don't LOOK middle-eastern...."

I'm sure there is a joke in there, but I'm not fast enough to come up with it :D

...my 79 year old DAD'S skills are starting to slip some-trust me I'm trying to do the right thing here...

till he was 100.

they tried to get a bill passed to deny them their licenses and the AARP came in commando style and took over the town. It was hilarious.

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some people are unfit to drive at 20, it the individual not the age.

It really depends on the person and NOT the age.

Also some males are suffering from testosterone poisoning. . . .

Let's leave the ageism out of this discussion.

...or sexism or any other "isms" but rather to point out in a humorous manner the ridiculous lengths the tightening of homeland security measures has brought us to when an older woman needs to show a MARRIAGE license in order to get a DRIVERS license...Shees people...lighten up!

By the age of 16. That's the only way most 16-year-olds would have a photo ID.

Only a fool would believe these 'standards' will do anything to curb illegal immigration or the proliferation of fake IDs. The Reagan era INS reform (ca. 1986?,) the one that made it mandatory for employees to prove they had the legal right to work here, was supposed to solve the illegal immigration problem. We all know how well that worked.

This is about curbing our right to be let alone. Once we are forced to swallow this standard, the next step will be "encouraging" everyone to have a state issued ID. The goal is controlling our movement within our borders.

people who don't have their governmnet ID on them being "detained" while their background is thoroughly investigated . . . which could take some time, don'tcha know . . . so we'll have folks who have done absolutely nothing illegal sitting in lockup for days, weeks, or even months . . . particularly if they happen to belong to the "wrong" ethnicity, or the "wrong" political party, or the "wrong" church, or the "wrong" sexual orientation, or the "wrong" organization, or the "wrong" whatever . . .

think it can't happen here? . . . think again . . .

by having a microchip implanted.

That's scary!:scared: So is this what they're up to?

they consficate your previous states license to issue an OR. I tried to plead with the DMV to do anything they'd wish, cut it in half, punch holes in it... I just want to keep it for my personal life and history. The Ghestopo Nazis wouldn't budge. God bless the Christian Homeland!

I've got to bring my birth certificate, passport or school id, and bank statment to get my liscense renewed in jersey

License?

That seems pretty unfair, and possibly un-Constitutional. A homeless person, or a person that chooses to have no home address, should have the same rights as anyone else.

If you don't have an address.

And it IS incredibly unfair, and another step in disenfranchising large segments of the population.

When you match this with the new voting requirements being passed by some states (IE. that someone has to present a driver's license and voter registrations in order to vote), you can see why. This will make it difficult for the poor and elder to get a driver's license.

IMO, the repukes are working to get both measures passed. One at the various state levels and another at the federal level. End results is that there will be fewer people that normally vote democratic.

A driver's license is to prove you are capable and competent to operate a motor vehicle and to validate a person's identity for the purpose of establishing financial responsibility.

When did it become a defacto ID card? When did the DMV become the agency responsible for determining citizenship?

a drivers license.

Just as your SSN is not supposed to be used for ID purposes, driver's licenses in at least some states were specifically limited in purpose to certify your right to drive with law enforcement and often didn't even include photos, just address and physical description, and an inked thumbprint. I know this because in Maine in the 1970s we had to get separate "liquor IDs" with our photo when we became old enough to buy booze.

Now most driver's licenses include not only digitized photos but digitized thumbprints, a charming database of info available for use by government on a whim.

I am amazed at how low a priority personal privacy is for most people. It's not even on their radar. The blessing of the recent round of ID data compromises at banks, colleges, and Choicepoint is that the TV talking heads are reporting on the issue and more people are waking up.

....and by that I mean that while standing in a DMV line, it occurred to me that the whole system of tracking and taxing citizens by DMV is bogus. BOGUS!

Say NO to the databases. They are means of repression.

1. Devise a system where a "drivers competency" certificate is carried by the driver, but his/her personal info is not entered into a national database.

2. An auto already has an identification number -- the VIN. There's no need for license plates with OTHER numbers.

Politicians have constructed layers of requirements that have nothing to do with national security, nothing to do with public safety, and everything to do with TAXATION and BUREAUCRACY.

I've gotten the runaround trying to get a copy of my B.C. My parents haven't got a clue what happened to the original.* Any ideas, anyone, on how to efficiently acquire a copy?

* Actually I think they burned it in an attempt to erase any evidence that they had actually produced someone such as myself *snarf*

It's all about money, though. Passports are spendy, and guess what? The cost will go up, with the demand. So, I've got to buy something I don't even want. Maybe they're trying to encourage the progressives to leave?

those papers as proof. If you're not a US citizen, it depends what country, you probably need to contact the appropriate embassy. I'm sure you will probably need it at some point in your life.
I do know how it workes in most of the countries in Europe.

We have a points system here. Passport or birth certificate + utility bill or similiar + x + z = enough points to get a license.

There are different classes of documents, passports & birth certificates are worth the most points but you can't use more than one document from each category. Just a pasport isn't good enough.

So I guess that all those people forced into poverty by this Administration and living in their cars as a result will not be able to drive because they cannot present a document with their home address on it?:wtf: (:sarcasm: but not really.)

Any way you look at it, it looks like another assault on the poor.

Many poor do not even have a bank account.

And is this a requirement to own a credit card?

What if I don't want to support Bushitler's corporations and because of this I don't want to own a credit card???

What the fuck is this shit?

DOA

This crap has got to stop.

It's the biometrics I think is abhorrent
for the future ID card. Can you imagine
the process for that...

Life in the security state.

:P