The Smoking Gun: Another Counter-Coulter Bust

The Smoking Gun

MAY 5 -- Months after members of "Al Pieda" marred a campus speech by Ann Coulter, another appearance by the controversial conservative commentator has been disrupted by a protester. During a speech last night at the University of Texas in Austin, a 19-year old UT student was busted after asking Coulter a lewd question, which he followed up with equally inappropriate hand gestures, according to the below police affidavit (see cite). The student, Ajai Raj, was arrested by campus police and hit with a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. The police affidavit notes that Coulter's lecture was attended by "several children under the age of ten," which probably made them particularly sensitive when Raj queried Coulter about the sexual proclivities of certain right-leaning men.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0504051_ann_coulter_1.html

What is it about this poor sweet girl that causes so many men to act in so churlish a manner?

and convert them all to Christianity.

http://www.inthepinktexas.com/index.php?p=220#more-220

• On free speech: “This free speech thing is a canard… How about not letting traitors teach at universities? Yes, I realize I’ve just proposed firing the entire Harvard faculty. These institutions can be shaken – look at Dan Rather. He’s out. Or, as I look at it, one down, two to go. We’re going to need a much bigger trophy case for all these stuffed heads. Who says there is no God? I mean, besides liberals.”

• On liberals: “Some liberals have become even too crazy for Texas to execute, which is a damn shame. They’re always saying – we’re oppressed, we’re oppressed so let’s do it. Let’s oppress them.”

“Americans don’t want gay marriage. I think we’re pretty unified on that. Marriage civilizes men – one woman, one family. There’s nothing more important. I think America is more likely to pick a day to celebrate Hitler’s birthday than to support gay marriage – that’s polling better these days. We have a free and democratic society because of marriage – it’s wrong to pretend that marriage is just incidental to that.”

• On the Iraqi election: “Millions of Iraqis voted in a free and democratic election in January – men, women, and an estimated 2,000 confused elderly voters in Palm Beach.”

she shouldn't have free speech either and we should censor her? I thought so. So shut up Coulter.

I pity the man that gets into bed with that rattlesnake.

she doesn't believe in gay marriage.

and that gives her an excuse to never get married at all, since the rules she "lives by" won't allow her too in their strict interpretation, since marriage is only between a "man" and a "woman".

times more civilized . . .

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Ann-the-Whore

On Free Speech: It sure is working for her and her investment$ (Ching-Ching everytime she openes her mouth to speak so freely!)

On Liberals: She's as liberal as they come, ranting for dollars!

Americans Don't Want: Still trying to figure out who elected her to be the American Spokeperson on how we thing and feel about issues like Gays, and while I'm on that subject, does anyone really know what she/he is? I mean, really.

On the Iraqi Election: She has those numbers wrong. Correction Ann - that number looks a lot like how many "children and women" were blown to bits while "doucing them" with our so-called democracy.

I really want to call her a very bad name here... She's a Witch (replace W w/B ;)

Coulter is the ultimate political vixen entertainer. She dresses and acts as if she were in her 20's rather than the middle aged woman she is. She's going to try to induce hysteria and milk every ounce of anger she can from conservatives as she convinces them they are some sort of victim of today's society. She's raking the big bucks in. You got to give her that.

blech. Ya know even with all the PR in the world...all the makeup and lighting...I can't wrap my mind around that. Plenty of words I'd use to describe her...first time I've seen Vixen used :D

Tawdry vamp.

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and a natural target.

That much said, I'm not a fan of what Raj did. We're going to end up with a speech-suppression arms race between left and right, and it will deprive us all of even minimally civil discourse. Everyone loses in that situation.

The only speech that actually needs protecting is the speech we find repugnant.

I like what someone suggested a while ago. Sit in the audience, and make yourself puke (into a plastic bag, I suppose).

Peace.

She has every right to say whatever she wishes but she should not feign indignation when her over-the-edge diatribes anger some. She's made herself a good target for pies, and she's enjoying it 100% to the bank as the right-wingers eat it up.

It's almost like she's making a living off this stuff..

n/t

... and her ideological allies use it to push the point that she is the victim of hateful left wingers who resent her because she is a "conservative," tells the truth, and is blond.

Or something like that ...

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Bush & Cheney will only speak to pre-approved GOP worshiping audiences. Our taxes may pay their salaries but they want no discourse with us. Agree with them or they won't even listen to you or talk to you.

Your argument boils down to this: to beat them, become them. And that bit in the Bill of Rights about protecting speech (even speech we hate) - well, fuck it.

I disagree. Freedom of speech means Coulter gets to talk without a pie in her face, and so do we. Ask the ACLU whether we should only protect speech we like.

Peace.

where the poster suggested that Coulter should note have the right to speak or that we should become them...

Isn't more about the delusion that we should depend on a sense of "fairness" or "civil discourse"?

It's not going to happen. You treat a Scorpion like something that can and will kill you, not like a kitten.

otherwise you get anarchy

Read up on game theory (and specifically, Prisoner's Dilemma) for a reason why this leads to Pyrrhic outcomes.

Of course, I am supposing you actually WANT to prevail over these chumps and see some donks elected. If not, ignore what I'm saying.

As repulsive as they may be, repukes actually are human beings, not scorpions, and we actually are human beings, not kittens. This trope about superpukes whipping our candy asses is getting *very* tiresome. Progressives are more resilient, more clever, and more likely to prevail in a clash with repukes when we play our hand from strength rather than shake our fists like schoolkids and splutter invective. The strongest argument is the one based on the strongest ideas, not the rudest delivery or loudest screams.

You want to win by tipping over the chessboard. I want to win by decisive checkmate.

Peace.

to expect any fairness or civility when dealing with most of todays GOP. I care less about the club and more about the result.

I like the idea of a "checkmate" but in chess both sides play by the same rules and the rules aren't constantly changing to suit one sides chance at winning the match.

There are some serious crimes that have and continue to be committed yet no accountability. Outrageously advantageous policies and laws being pushed through with little to no opposition or repercussion.

So, as I said don't expect any cooperation or sense of fair play.

These Cretins only tolerate while they change the rules to suit their goal of domination...

If anyone truly believes that we can get anywhere through compromise or relaying on fairness they're defiantly smoking something!

This is a dog fight and the sooner we stop this Captain Unicorn approach to dealing with them the sonner we'll get somewhere.

Divide America NOW, peacefully.

Your suggesting people self-censor any responses to hate speech or else they'll be censored. Hate is more repugnant to some people than sexually explicit language.

They have to be carefully taught (reference "South Pacific")

Ed Schultz mentioned that she makes $30,000.00 a lecture. I figure she's one rich bitch.

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$30,000 per "lecture"? Her "lecture" is a mini republican rally. All she is doing is spewing her hate speech dealing with us!

lewd behavior to minors when he was doing the hand job action in the theater he was arrested for if someone managed to sneak in their kids there. If a parent is bringing a kid to this sort of lecture, they should be prepared to hear lewd crap from Coulter as well as those responding to her.

Reading the arrest warrant...

"The statement and following act, intentionally committed by Raj at a public venue, incited an immediate breach of the peace within the crowd. The detractors mostly seated in the back few rows, began to scream and shout and the supporters, mostly seated int he front rows began to boo and a few stood up as if to chase down Raj."

Couldn't one easily substitute Ann in this statement for some of the things she says that also generate unrest in her lectures?

"The statement and following act, intentionally committed by Coulter at a public venue, incited an immediate breach of the peace within the crowd. The supporters, mostly seated in the front rows, began to scream and shout, and the detractors, mostly seated in the back few rows, began to boo and a few stood up as if to chase down and pie Coulter."

Maybe she should be the one arrested for disorderly conduct for her speech! She was the one that has generated the breaches of peace with her statements.

children to a KKK rally. Either way, it's hate speech.

As I recall it, he was just asking whether the prohibition against "sodomite marriage" only applied to same sex sodomy, or does it also apply to male-female relations - i.e. are marriages that include male female sodomy legitimate marriages according to theologians such as Ms. Coulter?. A perfectly reasonable question, given the biblical premise of her objection.

He might have phrased it more delicately than he did, but speaking to a theologian of Ms. Coulter's stature can cause one to temporarily lose command of their social graces.

But asking it in the manor he choose was a definite violation of the law.

Because I would like to hear what Ms. Coulter and the rest of the religious right have to say on the question.

Violation of the law my ass.

Jay

Sure is, whether you or i like it or not.

Jay

S 42.01 A. A person commits an offense if he/she intentionally or knowingly
1. uses abusive, indecent,profane or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by it's very utterance, tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace.

was the peace breached? From all accounts, I have read, the utterance actually enhanced the peace. BTW you made the claim that this was a breach of the law, YOU need to back that shit up.

Jay

You need to check out the Texas Penal Code.

S 42.01 Thats all the backup i need.

Have fun.

is supposed to get a bullet in the brain according to colder than ice ann

her theories. None at all. I just can't imagine why she sickens and angers people. Right.

that crap. I'm sure that being a female is the only thing that has protected her from several dust-ups.
A classic case of hiding behind a pair of boobs and getting away with murder.
She's just another typical debutante, spoiled, whining bitch.

What do you think the hecklers are saying at her lectures?

The last heckler (in Kansas) asked her this:"what's bigger your adams apple or your dick?"

This is what he got thrown out for.

There are a ton of websites that show what his name was at birth and gives the whole rundown on the Trans called Coulter.
Google it--you'll see.

The "being a man" thing is what this whole heckling thing is about--

look close at the pics of "her"- no woman's legs look like that, and no woman has an adams apple.

She does not walk gracefully at all. Who knows or cares what sex she/he is. He/she is rabid.

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:D

assholes like Limbaugh, Delay, & all the rest hiding behind? Sure wouldn't say it's their 'equipment' (I'm certain it's insufficient to provide any kind of real cover anyway!). There's all hell of a lot of male 'bitches' out there spouting the same crap as Coulter. I haven't heard much @ them getting their asses kicked while hiding behind a pair of balls! Sounds like a classic case of 'boob bashing' to me! Her being female has nothing to do with getting away w/this (murder) - they ALL get away w/it!

!@#$%^^&* makin' me put up for that bitch, why I oughta ... !

:mad: :spank:

The liberals hate her because she is a loud mouth liar... and the right wing, 'little brain' kooks love her because she is a bleach blonde, has a flat head and pistol grip ears.

that's all she is. she's no authority on anything. she proved that with her many minutes on the air insisting on revisionist history... insisting that Canada fought in the Veitnam war. to a Canadian interviewer. it's sad, really, that she wasn't really funny during her funniest moment... she's just a bad, bad comedian.

not really, but it IS a very liberal area, did she expect to be greeted with candy and flowers?

Oh please.

"After Guccione personally netted $16.5 million from the 1997 sale of Spin to the publishers of rival Vibe, he took to dating famous women like Candace Bushnell (Sex in the City columnist) and conservative freak Ann Coulter, who wrote to The Washington Post: "I must write to correct a few of the many egregious misstatements in your ... Reliable Source column. I am not, and have never been arm candy for Bob Guccione Jr. The Gooch was my arm candy -- my boy toy -- whom I eventually, and regretfully, had to replace with a much younger man."

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:Cpi462OApAEJ:www.nndb.com/people/498/000051345/+Ann+Coulter+arm+candy&hl=en&start=4

An argument could be made that every time a pie is thrown at a rebublican or we ask a conservitive if its alright to fuck your wife up the ass and then jerk off in front of them, they win. this stuff is put front and center in the MSM, for everyone to see.
Who are we trying to immpress here? While we all laugh and think its funny, what is it accomplishing? Do you think some (voting) people may be just a little disturbed that this was done in front of 10 year old children?
Would it not be more effective to challenge her on her bullshit hate speech?
Then again, maybe I'm wrong..........

What do these hi-jinks get us?

In MSA, they reinforce the stereotype that we aren't serious about things they think are important. Hard to see how this increases our election success.

That's not to say we shouldn't protest, oppose, and argue vigorously at every opportunity. Just that we should do it in a way that doesn't make us look like clowns to the people we're trying to persuade.

I ask this question a lot: what do you want more, to win elections or laugh at repukes?

Peace.

but not fight it with "more" fire...

Now if Coulter launched obscenities to liberals, describing sexual behavior in similar terms that this guy did, then I think if they arrested him, that they'd also have to arrest her too.

I think anyone attending these rallies, if they do make a statement like this, has to make sure that they don't use language more extreme than she does. But anything up to the kind of language she says I think is fair game. And then if they try to arrest you for it, you can ask those trying to do so why don't they arrest her for the same thing.

If only one side is being arrested for "disorderly conduct" when the other side is practicing the same behavior, then that's more of an illustration of the fascist state we've become. But if your speech is just a bit more than hers, it gives them all the excuse they need to put you down.

something I've never heard of anyone else doing, and that alone makes
me kind of like this incident.

Many have tried to challenge her on her bullshit hate speech, but she, like
many a right wing pundit, has perfected the art of non-debate. She
simply hurls unsupported facts into the air and shouts down or insults
anyone who attempts a civil challenge to her diatribe.

under Bush's belt (and we know that is what has occurred), we are extremely angry and vociferous, thus the open displays of hostility by the Progressives. They may play this stuff out in the MSM, but so what, it is for the most part already a tool of the Rovian regime scripted and censored to play the repug storyline.

Let's put it this way. If President Clinton conducted himself like the war-crime laden Bush Cabal, we would be hearing the repugs screaming impeachment from the rooftops. I could imagine the hearings underway now about what Clinton did with that missing $9 Billion in Iraq. However, we don't hear a whisper from the repugs when there AWOL boy continually drags our nation through the gutter.

In one sense your argument has validity, but my personal anger about the subversion of our nation by a military deserter and serial liar does push me over the top. I don't like to see myself feel this way (I'd like to throw a pie at that fascist Coulter), but this is just a natural reaction to having an incompetent buffoon calling himself commander-in-chief.

because her points are baseless.
I think that we should become even MORE disruptive at her appearances. While she certainly thrives on controversy/attention, there will reach a point where NO campus activities committee will want to deal with the aggravation.

it reminds me of two grapes glued to a popsicle stick

... too skrawny to be considered "too sexy" in that instance.

The pie's usually cooled down by the time it reaches her face.

... to eat, unless it is made with rotten apples (as it should be)...

Open letter from Ajai Raj

Open Letter to Anyone Who Gives a Shit About Justice

I’m writing this in response to the spectacle that occurred in the LBJ Library on Tuesday, May 3rd, 2005, when Ann Coulter, a diabolical, ignorant, but nevertheless charismatic right-wing pundit, came to speak at UT.

Ms. Coulter- yes, Ms, I’d personally think such a vocal female conservative would be making Bubba a meatloaf instead of addressing a politically-minded collegiate audience, but whatever- is the author of relentlessly mendacious anti-liberal books, such as Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right and Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism. She’s famous for having an ass that stores so many lies it makes clown-car designers envious. Like her or not (and if you do, I’m surprised you can read) she’s a Big Fucking Deal.

The title of the front-page story covering Ms. Coulter’s in the Texan was “Arrest Made at Coulter Speech”. You could also have caught it on CBS or in the Austin-American Statesman. The general idea is that some jackass made a scene, and Ann Coulter was also there. I am Ajai Raj, and I am a jackass. In his article, which I enjoyed and commend him for, Mr. Sampath quoted the former president of the Student Events Center, the organization which arranged the event. He wrote: "The person had been disruptive the entire event," said Matt Hardigree, former Student Events Center president. "He took the opportunity to say something lewd and offensive and then made masturbatory gestures as he exited."

And what do I have to say in rebuttal? Not a goddamn thing. Matt Hardigree got it spot-on! From the beginning I was yelling obscenities along with my friends, roaring at Ms. Coulter’s right-wing bullshit festival the way no one else had the balls to. Mr. Sampath writes in his article that (and this is my take) the protestors were told to be good all along. They were told to sit in the back and hold their signs and leave quietly. No wonder hippies get such a bad rap nowadays; protestors today might as well be ornaments on the Rightmobile. When I want someone to know I’m pissed off, I’m going to throw down and give them a good shit-ruining. I wanted to show Ms. Coulter that people are down if she wants to hold a circle-jerk, but we’re not gonna do it her way. Not me, at least.

So yes, the Q&A session came around, and it was pathetic. Her slack-jawed fans got up and licked her face so she could pat them on the head- one schmuck offered to be her bodyguard, and she smiled, doubtlessly making a mental note that she wouldn’t touch his nether regions if she were King Midas; liberal protestors posed well-intentioned but woefully timid questions and got shot down in a hail of ignorant shitfire from the She-Dragon. Standing in line awaiting my turn, I watched her send a moderate Republican, who had questioned the sheer incendiary magnitude of her rhetoric, walk away in tears when she tore him apart for daring to question her. So yes, I saw my “opportunity to say something lewd and offensive.” And I took it.

She had just said something about gay marriage, the typical rightwing bullshit spiel that is still convincing people that the Bible is really the Constitution. Knowing that taking the time to say something insightful, specific, or even slightly critical would get me a lame comeback and a ticket back to my seat, I realized that the only way to win this battle was to fight fire with fire. Or bullshit with bullshit. So, as reported in yesterday’s Texan, I fired: "You say that you believe in the sanctity of marriage," said Ajai Raj, an English sophomore. "How do you feel about marriages where the man does nothing but fuck his wife up the ass?" And the crowd fell silent. Ms. Coulter stood stunned atop her stage, unprepared for a jackass to say something so utterly crude and to the point. Her pompous and mean air is enough to stump questioners into timidity, I wasn’t about to let her stop me.

The audience members looked at me with raw disbelief; later, even friends who know me well admitted that they’d been surprised at how vulgar I’d been. The others in line for Q&A, mostly liberals, looked at me like I’d set their cause back forty years. Did I give a shit? No. If I had a message, it’s that the whole thing was a joke- hell, our whole political scene today is a fucking joke. Everyone’s out to either pat themselves on the back for being right or whine about how they’re being wronged without ever lifting a finger to fight for it. So rather than dignify anyone else, I “made masturbatory gestures” as I exited. Again, bingo! I danced a jig and set my hand a-jerkin’ at crotch-level, sneering for the crowd and letting them know I was ready to roll. I yelled to my friends that we were gonna split and made for the door.

Two cops approached me. I figured they were going to tell me I had to leave, so I said “You can’t fire me, because I quit!” “You’re under arrest.” It was my turn to be shocked. I tried to ask them what for; saying “fuck her in the ass”” at a college isn’t a crime, last time I checked. They apparently mistook my inquiries for aggression, and grabbed me roughly and slammed me into the door. Within seconds the backmost two or three rows was surging forward, following the scene as the cops dragged me out the door. They yelled and chanted; my friends were more outraged than I’d ever seen any of them before. As they pushed me into the car, I heard my good friend Jeffrey Stockwell scream, “THIS ISN’T A JUSTICE SYSTEM! YOU CALL THIS PROTECTING AND SERVING?!”

The crowd took up a chant at the UTPD officers: “Shame! Shame! Shame!” Shame is fucking right. When I asked the cops why they thought I needed cuffing, they told me that they didn’t even see anything that happened, they were just doing as told. As a good friend pointed out to me, it’s a scary thought that people who are given weapons and the authority to forcibly detain people can act without knowledge of a situation.

I’m writing this at 7:15 A.M. Wednesday, having recouped over a few cigarettes and some coffee after being released from jail around 3 A.M. I had a party waiting for me- twenty or so friends and supporters, who showered me with gifts such as a card, sodas, cigarettes, food, and a Blondie CD (go figure). Several civil rights-interested associations approached me, offering pro bono legal representation and showing their support. I have no regrets. Was I jackass? Yes. Oh Christ, yes. But here’s the question people ought to ask themselves. Did I deserve to be arrested? Did the cops need to rough me up for saying bad words at what was at least masquerading as an open dialogue? Do the people of Texas- hell, of America- feel that “potty mouth” belongs on the list of punishable crimes along with “aggravated assault” and “armed robbery”?

As stated in the Texan article, I am charged with Disorderly Conduct, which is a Class C Misdemeanor. Other Class C Misdemeanors include DWIs, possession of drug paraphernalia, and speeding tickets. Without getting into the justification for all of those, were my naughty words and crude hand motions as imposing a danger? This isn’t about politics anymore, however it might have come about. Either you think it’s an absurd outrage or you think swearing is a crime. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are Republicans, for Christ’s sake. Raise your hand if you watch South Park. This is about drawing a line in the sand. It made me proud to see people standing up and calling bullshit when bullshit needed to be called. All politics aside, people ought to ask themselves, how far should our representatives of “justice” be allowed to go? Do the American people believe in censorship rights for the rich and famous?

I know I didn’t slay the insidious evil that is Ann Coulter, but I did give her pause. She can easily go to another college or hoedown or whatever and spew her tired rhetoric without worrying about me. But I’m not the only one who feels this way. Other people will call her on her shit. And hey, Ann, don’t come back to UT. We’re better than your bullshit here. And I can think of at least one jackass here who can dish it out better than you.

A slavish Annie worshipper who goes by the name of Superhawk posted some kiss ass crap on a poorly attended site called Blogger News Network. There is a place for comments. This guy goes out of his wee mind when people post things that don't jibe in with his tenuous grasp on reality. Go here:

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/UP0000213.txt

I will use it as soon as it is available.

And as for ann, has she answered the question yet?

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