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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:47 PM
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WP: Women Returning to Democratic Party, Poll Finds
The gender gap is now 25 years old and, according to recent polling, it is alive and well.

A Democratic polling memo released yesterday found that women, who voted for President Bush last year in large numbers, have begun migrating back to their traditional home in the Democratic Party as the public's agenda has shifted from homeland security and terrorism to domestic concerns such as jobs and the economy.

There has long been a gender gap between the parties, with women tending to vote Democratic in disproportionate numbers. Bush all but closed that gap last year, losing the female vote to Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) by three percentage points. But the memo pointed to a March survey that found women favoring Democrats when asked which party's candidates they would support if congressional elections were held today.

The memo, released by Lake Snell Perry Mermin & Associates Inc., found women picked unnamed Democratic congressional candidates over Republicans by a 13-point margin. It also found that several key groups of women who voted Republican last year are now evenly or almost evenly split between the parties. Married women are now evenly split, while white women favor Democrats by three percentage points. Kerry lost both groups by 11 points.

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/09/AR2005050901077.html
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:49 PM
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1. Terror Alert...Terror Alert....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:56 PM
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4. That's right, those women will "baaahhhh" right on back to the GOP
come "ORANGE ALERT" time.

Welcome to DU!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:27 PM
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19. It seems to me they can't keep pulling this.
There is no real perceived threat.

And if they pull something out of their hats to create one, or allow another disaster, then it will be worse for *, not better.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:38 PM
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24. Exactly
Remember during last year's election Cheney said if you vote for the wrong person you'll get attacked again. So they can't risk it.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:17 AM
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46. Never underestimate
the power of stupidity
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:23 AM
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51. the word is "misunderestimate" nt
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:28 AM
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54. My bad
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:51 PM
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2. Gee, we can fix this problem easy, just run some anti abortion Dems
Edited on Mon May-09-05 09:54 PM by Mountainman
Who needs women voters anyway. We need some fundies from the South don't we? More NASCAR dads will make our country better for all us white guys.

Next week the Washinton Times will come out with a poll that contradicts this one and the wing nut radio will say that the wording was the cause for the first one to be so wrong. It's almost a weekly thing now.
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FLPolitico Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:12 PM
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12. Howard Dean and the rest of the Dems need to attack the anti-choice
side by exposing their campaign to allow pharmacists to refuse to fill birth control pills even if a woman has a valid prescription from her doctor and the refusal of the FDA to sell the morning after pill over the counter although the FDA advisory board approved OTC sale of the morning after pill four years ago. Couple this with the Fundies keeping kids ignorant about STD by pushing abstinence-only sex-ed ( I guess that's an oxymoron) then that will show how this current administration is not interested in reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies and therefore the number of abortions.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:56 PM
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28. and blocking the vaccination against cervical cancer
because women deserve to be punished for having sex, right?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:12 AM
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34. Uh, yeah... play into the talking points the Fundies worship?
Edited on Tue May-10-05 01:14 AM by alittlelark
PS - that was a LOOOONG sentence.


Edited PS - soooo , uh, um something.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:47 PM
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63. Welcome to DU
I agree that we have to make it known what the full agenda of the RW whackos is. Most don't know about pharmacies refusing to fill BC prescriptions. Also, make sure it's known that the morning after pill is not an abortificant.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:54 PM
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3. Well killing their kids in a needless war was going to have an impact
on women sooner or later.

I mean hey, will there be a shortage of men for me to choose from now?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:07 PM
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11. Right! And not only their
kids..Their husbands, wives and friends.
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labrat Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:14 AM
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45. NICE PIC!
off topic, but that's a nice pit you're in
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:59 PM
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5. Watch out for women to be scapegoated!! Why it is women who ruin
wars and end poverty. The two things needed war neocon nirvanna.

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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:00 PM
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6. that women, who voted for President Bush
last year in large numbers.


Any evidence for that bold statement Washington Post?
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:03 PM
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7. Exit polls?
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:48 AM
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33. Yeah! Like the ones that as of 11:58 pm Nov 2, 2004 showed
Kerry won! They won't be changing this gal's Democratic intentions ever, ever again. Nor many I know and bang into in my daily routines. All ages, race and creed, I might add.
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:06 PM
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10. It's that "security mom" meme ...
... that Rovesputin got at www.pulledoutofmyass.com and sold to Dumbfuckistan via the chimpanzee fellaters in his Imperial Media.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:37 AM
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39. Yep The Insecurity Moms
...are probably returning to domestic issues. SOCIAL Security and gas prices maybe woke em up from the poppy field?

OK well...welcome back, women.
You can atone for voting for the Rovian Reign of Terror which has drained our resources for the Bush Family War.
Give us a hand in 2006 to get some Dems back in Congress.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:02 AM
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50. Dumbfuckistan - ! LOL! Man, does that spell it out.
I've seen that here before. It's still funny as hell! But also painfully true.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:18 PM
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68. It came from an episode of SNL / Saturday TV Funhouse.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:04 PM
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8. The women never left. The vote was skewed, however.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:42 PM
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25. I think so too
I'm sure there are a good number of Bush women voters. I'm glad to hear this though and with Dean's campaigning for 2006 I think we have a good chance only if people go out and vote.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:59 AM
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49. Exactly-the bastards STOLE womens votes!
Edited on Tue May-10-05 10:01 AM by TheGoldenRule
:grr:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:28 AM
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56. Based on what I heard
while campaigning, many women voters left only by changing their minds at the last minute. I think a lot of them were infuenced by Bush's negative campaigning, but tossed a coin at the last minute. They were truly confused.

Dems still have a way to go to improve their message to women voters. Its not insurmountable, though, they just took them for granted for too many years and forgot which were the issues most important to women. There are a lot of single, older working women out there whose issues are different than they were 20 or even 10 years ago.

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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:51 PM
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64. THANK YOU
God, some people here need to remember what they're reading and who puts the marching orders out. Women never left the Democratic party, and neither did most minorities. At least not in any significant way, and certainly not enough to have given Bush 3 MILLION newly minted votes.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:04 PM
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9. Or did they vote for Kerry and it came
up bush? I can't believe there were so many hornswageled women in the 2004 election!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:01 PM
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13. We will probably never know for sure...
but I can't help thinking the same thing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:12 PM
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:17 PM
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15. How exactly is that relevant?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:37 PM
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23. It's not even literate, let alone relevant.
"Are country". ARrrrrrrrrrrrhhh. :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:17 PM
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:11 PM
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60. Oh, Believe It
After all, when they survey people about core principles of Republicans vs. Democrats, most people like the Democratic principles better, but keep voting Republican.

Repbulicans are better at exploting a few key issues to their advantage.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:23 PM
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17. To Women Who Voted for Bush...
Dumbass! You got what you deserve.

To Blacks who voted for Bush, or who didn't vote....
Dumbass! You got what you deserve.

For any gay who voted for Bush....
Dumbass! You got what you deserve.

For any working person who voted for Bush....
Dumbass! You got what you deserve.

Etc....

Too bad we all had to pay for your stupidity... yes, stupidity. Anybody that votes against their own interests is stupid.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:26 PM
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18. This is starting to look like it's building to most of Americans...
So a big chunk of us are either mostly dumbasses, or we were cheated. I'd like to have faith in most of the people out there and believe it was the latter.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:53 PM
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27. Large chunks of Murikans...
believe Jeeeezus is coming in our time, evolution is Satan's theory, and Saddam had WMD's and flew one of the planes into the WTC.

I say stupid. Stupid helps explain being cheated so often, too.
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Knight of Ni Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:57 AM
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58. Tom Tomorrow's new strip says it best...
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:30 PM
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20. Did they ever leave? n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:35 PM
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21. A little too late
Had Kerry done as well with women voters as Gore did in 2000, he would be president.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:36 PM
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22. Thank you!!
This is great!!! Gives me hope for 2006.
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:50 PM
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26. Screw them !
My brother's mother in law (PA) voted for Bush, after voting for Gore in 2000. I haven't spoken to her since, I don't think I want to.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:53 PM
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65. Especially voting for
bush after the last four years..JEEZE!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:03 AM
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29. More evidence of vote tampering in 2004
Before the election, women wouldn't vote for Bush. During the election, they 'voted' for Bush. After the election, women won't vote for Bush. I see a pattern.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:46 AM
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43. yes I agree
I don't think we can really trust the numbers at election time. There were probably some Security Moms, esp after the Osama TV appearance, but I bet it wasn't as big as they'd like us to believe.
It probably was offset by the numbers of Moms worried about their offspring going to Iraq.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:12 AM
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30. If they are Democrats only between elections, it doesn't help much
We need to convince Americans, male or female, to vote for Democrats.

Supporting Democratic views means nothing if they vote for Republicans.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:17 AM
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31. It's a little late for that-
Edited on Tue May-10-05 12:17 AM by depakid
Be stupid- vote to screw yourselves an your sisters, then come back to the Dem's.... good freakin' luck limiting the damage.

Hope you liked choice- and your birth control- because by 2008, in some states, you're likely to have neither.

Of course, this IS the Washington Post, which has about as much credibility doing political analysis as Jesse Helms has as an art critic.
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Beearewhyain Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:43 AM
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32. For any Pol Sci folks out there
This seems to validate a preliminary study done by Prof. Barry C. Burden who asserts that it was women who gave Shrub the election in '04 based on the "security moms" idea. The journal it was published in was The Forum and can be found here. Of course, If anyone is so inclined they can PM me and I think I know where they might be able to find a pdf of it.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:44 AM
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48. No such thing as Pol Sci.
Just greed and corruption
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:24 AM
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52. Alternatively, the 'security moms' was cover for fraud
The religious vote was also either what gave Bush the election or was cover for fraud. The lack of fit between exit polls and official results indicates to me that it was fraud. It is the simplest explanation, and one that Bush himself used in the case of the Ukraine.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:04 PM
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59. I agree with that. n/t
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:22 AM
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35. gee, um, great, I guess. A little late, perhaps
This reminds me of Microsoft pulling their support for the gay rights bill until after it died, then its "we promise to support it in the future". Yeah, whatever.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:52 AM
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36. Hello? We never effin' left!
"Voted for President Bush in large numbers"? I'd like to see those numbers.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:36 AM
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37. That's all well and good but
it is too late. When the next election rolls around there is not going to be enough left of America as we knew it that their votes are going to do much good.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:58 AM
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38. only elections matter
Democratic prognostications don't mean much if these people don't vote Democratic in the next election.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:40 AM
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40. kick
:kick:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:42 AM
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41. YAY!!! Stupid, Ignorant women return!!
:eyes:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:45 AM
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42. If they indeed left.....
and are coming crawling back, then so be it. What do they want, some medal?

Look what you did, ladies. Just look. :eyes:
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Knight of Ni Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:32 PM
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62. Also, if they did, in fact, leave.......
1. Gee, way to dispel that old stereotype about women always going for the guys who treat them like crap over the good guys.

2. If you want to make up for it, you don't need to wait until '06 or '08. Keep your antennae up now, stay involved, write or e-mail your senators and congressmen, and join a political volunteer group. You can't take back your vote, but by staying involved you can help minimize the damage done until '08. Plus, you can help work on those '06 and '08 campaigns now. The more, the merrier.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:48 AM
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44. Women voting Democratic? I don't think that's what Diebold says. n/t
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:20 AM
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47. I have a hard time believing polls anymore
Wait till next week the numbers will change again
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:27 AM
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53. Yea, like large numbers of black men voted for Bush and now, they're
returning back to Democrats...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:18 AM
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55. Diebold will bring those women's votes right back
Edited on Tue May-10-05 11:20 AM by ClarkUSA
Could someone at the top of the DNC hierarchy start talking REALLY LOUDLY about election reform because 2006 is closing in and Democrats can't afford four rigged elections in a row?
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:54 AM
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57. Fickle women, if they do it once they'll do it again!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 03:52 PM
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61. Now,
all of this makes the assumption that women migrated away and now they're back. How about another theory - they never left, just their votes did. How's that? Diebold, EE&S and the Republican party that chose to steal votes.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:57 PM
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66. Neither Gore nor Kerry lost; the 2004 election was cleverly cast
so that Bush would get more votes than he earned even in precincts that the cheaters allowed Kerry to win. It was hard to explain how Gore won the pop vote so massively. I was helping in Ohio. The little precinct I was assigned was small town suburbia (Cincy) and they pulled enough hanky-panky in that one spot to initiate an investigation. And they had enough machines. How many left after hours?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:09 PM
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67. That's nice but here in California the party is still losing ground fast
Edited on Tue May-10-05 06:26 PM by slackmaster
Between February '03 and February '05 the Democratic share of California voter registrations slipped from 44% to 43%. We've also lost control of two counties in the same time period, making a total of 23 counties lost since '93 while the GOP has gained control of 24.

The GOP is losing ground in total registrations a bit more slowly, and "Decline to state" continues to grow rapidly.

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/ror/reg_stats_02_10_05.pdf

More and more people in the Golden State are fed up with both major parties. Ignore this at our own peril. If (correction) all of the DTS voters go GOP and everyone else votes party line we LOSE.

Lose California's electoral votes and we're in deep, deep shit.
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