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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:28 PM
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AP: Ethnic Rifts Tearing at Al-Qaida
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/al_qaida_ethnic_rift

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Captured Uzbek, Chechen and Tajik suspects have been giving up information about the movements of Arab al-Qaida militants in recent months, four Pakistani intelligence agents told The Associated Press, leading to a series of successful raids and arrests.

"When push comes to shove, the Uzbeks are going to stick together, and the Arabs are going to stick together," said Kenneth Katzman, a terrorism expert with the Congressional Research Service in Washington. "I think the Uzbek guerrillas have had no home. Some of this could be a battle for survival."<snip>

An organization like AQ torn by pointless hatred? Can't we all just get along?
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:30 PM
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1. If we know so much about them why can't they give up Osama?
Silly me!!!
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 05:34 PM
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2. Osama's tradecraft...
Has undoubtedly been some of the best in the business. He was smart and learned his lessons well from his CIA handlers. He also had developed AQ along the lines of a de-centralized, cellularly autonomous structure. He does not have to micro-manage, just taks the cells with a general philosophical overview and use series of cut-outs to disperse the funds to them.

He's very good and he knows his adversaries well. He may never be brought to ground, although he should. He is no hero.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:49 PM
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7. Yes. Osama sure did his homework.
He organized everything ahead of time and is now only a figure head. Any obedient sheep can replace him.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 06:02 PM
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3. No matter that there is no proof that there really is any Al-Qaida
anyway. Got to spend defense money on something to defend against, might as well be a fictional enemy that can be morphed as the situation requires.

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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:53 PM
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4. You're right there
according to a couple of books i've been reading by a guy called Jason Beurke, Al Qaeda simply doesn't exist. The traing camps in Afghanistan certainly did, as a hangover from war with the Soviets and Osama is certainly involved in terrorism. But Al Qaeda simply means "The Base".

And this was Afghanistan. Where to go to get your training.

Most who trained there went off to fight the Russians in Chechnya or in Bosnia, against genocidal oppression.

The others being a disparate band of islamic nutters, who merely adhere to the same 'fuck the West' Philosophy.

Osama Bin Laden according to this guy doesn't control a thing
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 08:55 PM
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5. Oo goody! So this means terrorism is over, right?
Right?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:04 PM
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6. Ethnic rifts are tearing at the stoogocracy in Iraq too. So what?
To the extent this is not lies, it is drool, babble. Full of
chestnuts like this:

"One, however, noted that al-Qaida and its allies do not always function as a cohesive unit."

Let me offer a clue, AQ never functions as a "cohesive unit".
Why would it? Armies do that, they have to. Terrorists never do,
they behave like intelligence organizations with decentralized cellular
organization, that way it's impossible to attack them with main force
with even a smidgen of a chance of success, but that will not stop
these smoothbrains from trying it over and over because that is all
they know.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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8. AP: Ethnic Rifts Tearing At Al-Qaida
Edited on Tue May-10-05 11:22 PM by Hissyspit
Have at this one, folks:

http://news.yahoo.com

AP: Ethnic Rifts Tearing at al-Qaida
By PAUL HAVEN and KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writers

American and Pakistani intelligence agents are exploiting a growing rift between Arab members of al-Qaida and their Central Asian allies, a fissure that's tearing at the network of Islamic extremists as militants compete for scarce hideouts, weapons and financial resources, counterterrorism officials say.

The rivalry may have contributed to the arrest last week of one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants, a Libyan described as al-Qaida's No. 3 and known to have had differences with Uzbeks. Captured Uzbek, Chechen and Tajik suspects have been giving up information about the movements of Arab al-Qaida militants in recent months, four Pakistani intelligence agents told The Associated Press, leading to a series of successful raids and arrests.

- snip -

U.S. officials declined to comment on the schism. One, however, noted that al-Qaida and its allies do not always function as a cohesive unit. And another cautioned, "There may be a division, but you haven't won anyone over to your side." The official spoke on condition his name not be used because of the sensitive topic.

Abu Farraj al-Libbi, the Libyan and top al-Qaida operative, was captured in the northwestern part of Pakistan on May 2 after a fierce gunbattle. Now in Pakistani custody, he's accused of planning two assassination attempts on President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

- snip -

Pakistani security agents say they're confident they have broken al-Qaida's back, although bin Laden and al-Zawahri remain at large.


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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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9. More wishful thinking
and this week's spin.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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10. I can't get the permanent link to work, so if you can, please post it. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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11. Duplicate
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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13. Oh, well then never mind...
:-)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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12. Who reports this shit??
How the fuck do these pseudo reporter know what's going on? Not one ever leaves the green zone, all but a hand full have left Afghanistan.

Who are their sources?

reporter: mr al queta, how are things going in the terrorist/rebel biz?

mr al queta: well, Murray, I can call you Murray, right?

reporter nods.

mr al queta: well, it's tough, we are having internal strife.

reporter": oh really? do tell...

mr al queta: well you see, a couple of our comics, well, they got out of hand...

reporter: comics?

mr al queta: yeah, you know stand up. Anyway, there is this one guy, total riot. he's telling sunni jokes, cracking us all up, but wouldn't you know, the owner of the club...

reporter: wait a second, a club? a comedy club???

mr al queta: sure, it's called Yuk Yuk's, so anyway..

reporter: the club, the comedy club, an al queta comedy club is called yuk yuks?

mr al queta: yeah, now shut up, you're ruining a good story, where was I, oh yeah, so the owner of the club is Sunni! So I'm like oh crap, we're in for it.

reporter: Yuk yuks?

mr al queta: you still stuck on that? that was three days ago, keep up with the story, so this guy has like no sense of humor, go figure, owns a comedy club and no humor, oy...so I said to abdul...

reporter: so do you do stand up?

mr al queta: what is this? an interview? shut up, we will get to your questions, let me finish, sheesh. I forgot where I was, ooooh yeah, so the owner comes back in and starts shooting the place up! So I'm thinking, I got to talk to this guy.

reporter: the owner...

mr al queta: you are a quick one, I have an Edsel out back to sell you, so I'm like to the owner, bubby, what's with the guns? He's only making funny's...

reporter: Edsel?

mr al queta: oy...forget it. you sit there like a lox and you expect me to help you?

reporter: I'm sorry, I'll be quiet...

mr al queta: so the owner is like this is it, no more ethic humor! I mean the guy on stage was just killing, he was riffing...

badda bing!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:51 AM
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14. I doubt there even is an al-Qaida, as it is portrayed to us.
This is probably a very loose umbrella organization, if it really exists at all. This seems like propaganda. The "broken al-Qaida's back" remark is the giveaway.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:52 AM
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15. Yeah. No need to get bin Laden now, then is there...
or Zawahiri, since the org is all kaput and all--just like the Taliban, right, Bush?
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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:02 AM
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17. Indeed, if there is an al-Qaida, where are the terrorist attacks?
They have had years since Cheney engineered 911
to 'strike again.'
Nothing. Not even a postcard.
Al-Qaida, as far as being any more than a small band of disparate
and wholly ineffectual extremists, appears to exist only on Fox news
... and in the hearts and minds of the neocons.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:04 AM
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16. this is pure WH** propaganda
worst piece of bullshit I have read in a while.
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