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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:44 AM
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poll shows CA recall support growing
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 10:52 AM by dfong63
incredible, yesterday's "mea culpa" seems not to have damaged arnold at least in this poll.

ON EDIT: thanks for correction, i see that the poll was conducted before arnie's "confession". link fixed.

support for calif. gov.recall growing, poll shows

``...
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Four days before the California recall election, voters were strongly in favor of removing Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites) from office and appeared poised to elect film star Arnold Schwarzenegger to replace him, a Field Poll released on Friday showed.

The poll found that likely voters were planning to vote "yes" to recall Davis by a 57 percent to 39 percent margin. The poll also showed that Schwarzenegger, the Republican front-runner, was favored over the leading Democratic candidate Cruz Bustamante, by 36 percent to 26 percent.

The poll was based on a telephone survey of 1,535 adults, conducted from Sept. 25 to Wednesday and had an error margin of 3.4 percentage points.

Support for the recall and for Schwarzenegger have risen steadily over the past month. Meanwhile, support for Bustamante is on the decline. Polls taken in early September showed Bustamante with a 5-point lead over Schwarzenegger.

Bustamante, California's lieutenant governor, has also lost considerable support within his own party. The latest poll shows 49 percent of Democrats supporting Bustamante, down from 61 percent in early September. Some 16 percent of Democratic voters say they support Schwarzenegger. ...
...''
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:46 AM
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1. The poll was conducted before the release of Thursday's
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 10:51 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
report.

Your link doesn't work so I can't read it.


But even without the poll I stand by my prior assessments that the Democrats should NOT have run a candidate on the bottom of theticket. In doing so, they split their resources which made it impossible to send a cohesive message and made it impossible to compete with Arnold with one unified message commercial for commercial. Thankyou DNC for shit canning California's prospects for victory much like you have done to Dems nationally.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:47 AM
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4. Try this one
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:50 AM
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8. whoops, i need to read more carefully
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:47 AM
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2. This poll started WED
and the LA Times story was Thurs morning, Hitler remarks and paper coverage, Thurs evening.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:47 AM
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3. "SF Gate survey shows Davis leading"
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 10:55 AM by Hell Hath No Fury
SF Gate survey shows Davis leading
Chronicle Staff Report Friday, October 3, 2003

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Despite recent polls showing Gray Davis in deep trouble in the upcoming recall election, the governor will keep his job and Arnold Schwarzenegger will be the one getting terminated, according to a survey of users of SF Gate, the online edition of The Chronicle.

The survey, conducted on Tuesday and Wednesday, says the recall will fail by a vote of 58 percent to 35 percent. Of the replacement candidates, Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante leads Schwarzenegger by 32 to 30 percent. State Senator Tom McClintock and Green Party candidate Peter Camejo each had 9 percent, while independent Arianna Huffington, who dropped out of the race this week, had 4 percent.

Vlae Kershner, news director at the web site, said the results reflect the views of a predominantly Bay Area audience, whose answers were weighted to match statewide party registration figures. Differences in the audience could explain the divergence with statewide polls that show the governor losing.

Online polling is an emerging field, Kershner said, and a post-election analysis will be done to determine its accuracy. The survey was conducted for SF Gate by the Minnesota Opinion Research Institute.

Survey participants were selected randomly among users visiting SF Gate. Only one invitation to participate was sent to any computer."


This was one poll I was actually ASKED to participate in!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2003/10/03/gatepoll1.DTL
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:56 AM
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10. This isn't a scientific poll
<<Vlae Kershner, news director at the web site, said the results reflect the views of a predominantly Bay Area audience, whose answers were weighted to match statewide party registration figures. Differences in the audience could explain the divergence with statewide polls that show the governor losing.>>

They had a biased sample, and no amount of weighting can correct that, since Bay area Republicans (not a large number to begin with) likely have different views about the recall than Republicans elsewhere in the state.

Frankly, this polls is about as reliable as a DU poll would be.
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marshmellow Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:47 AM
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5. Some polls are plants.
Planted polls to affect turnout. Polsters can be bought.

Would davis voters turn out if they thought it was useless.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:49 AM
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6. Agreed.. I've thought that all week
scare the hell out of those sometimes voters... They'll turn out if they feel they need to.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:50 AM
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7. I'm more concerned that with the electronic voting machines in
LA which can be tilted in favor of Arnold, combined with machines up north that can be tilted in favor of Camejo, combined with machines in the Inland empire..we are going to see another Florida.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:09 AM
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11. Yep
I just read an article on Smirking Chimp dot com whose writer suggested all the smirking they do is because they count the votes. The reader who responded commented on the need for exit polling and seems to thing there won't be any. I asked about that yesterday on GD and no one seemed to know.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:54 AM
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9. These news reports are the lynchpin of the recall strategy
It disgusts me.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:15 AM
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lots of undecideds in this poll too
For instance Democrats over 20% are undecided, Indpendents over 40% undecided, Latinos and African-Americans over 20% undecided, Women over 20% undecided--these are groups which typically vote Democratic if they can break heavily for Cruz and Davis then we have a chance.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:15 AM
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12. "Men are all sexual predators. He is a man. I forgive him."
schwarzenegger campaigned rocked by sexual harassment claims

``...
"These actions are more than just offensive," Bustamante said, stressing that groping someone without permission is, in fact, a crime.

But at rallies on the campaign trail, supporters were unfazed by the allegations.

"I know it's true but, you know, men used to do that," said Beverley Tazelaar who attended a rally in San Bernardino, east of Los Angeles, with her husband.

"Men are all sexual predators. He is a man. I forgive him. I don't like that, but I forgive him, and of course I'll vote for him next Tuesday."
...''
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:17 AM
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13. Someone should ask Beverly if we should preemptively
register all men as sex offenders then according to sexual predator laws.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:52 AM
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14. "I know it's true but, you know, men used to do that,"
Used to do that? As in they don't do it anymore Bev? Some of A-holes accusers say his groping took place as recently as 2000. I'd bet his groping has wormed its way up to 2003.

And even if men "used" to do it does that make it any less offensive?

Good Gawd what an intellectual cesspool this woman is.

Sheer Shitfire Stupidity.

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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:11 PM
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15. Maybe more recently,
Maria has put her hand over more than just his mouth to prevent him from doing something both disgusting and politically stupid.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:41 PM
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24. she probably has a low opinion of women, too
"all men are predators" goes right along with "all women are sluts".

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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:44 PM
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16. Um, not the men I know
Men used to pull young women on to their laps and ask them if a man had ever slid his tongue up her ass? I don't think the men in my family ever did that and Beverly should speak for herself!
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:27 PM
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20. Beverley Tazelaar and the rest of these brainless bimbos
are they for real??? 'men used to do that'; 'men are a sexual predators'??? What planet are these brainless bimbos from? Those remarks are a f*ck'n insult to men and women for keeerist's sake. We'll probably read soon that they were fighting to give arnold head under the podium.

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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:59 PM
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17. sticking my neck out: i think arnie will lose
how could it be that a state that elected Boxer and Feinstein to the senate, would put Arnie "the groper" in the governor's mansion??? i can't believe it.

am i in denial, or are the polls just wrong?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:01 PM
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18. You're just in denial
But I hope the polls are wrong. :)
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:29 PM
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22. I agree with you that arnold will lose, but
don't forget that we also elected Ronnie RayGun for governor.

Personally, I think the polls are lies.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:25 PM
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19. Maybe the only thing Democrats can do
is to run Democratic actors for office. I don't see how the Republicans can get around saying they aren't qualified.

P.S. I can't believe people can be so shallow.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:28 PM
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21. I've thought of that.
We should definitely start grooming people from the industry. The GOP is sure spending a lot of its anti-Hollywood credibility here. I want a Gov. Matt Damon! Plus he's really cute.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:38 PM
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23. arnie doesn't deny hitler remarks
interesting how he does not deny making the Hitler remarks, he only denies remembering them.

crowd cheers schwarzenegger after apology

``...
LOS ANGELES - A crowd of more than 1,000 supporters cheered for Arnold Schwarzenegger at a campaign stop Friday, a day after the actor publicly apologized for "bad behavior" toward women and said he couldn't imagine ever telling an interviewer that he admired Adolf Hitler. ...

Schwarzenegger, with wife Maria Shriver at his side, told a late-night news conference Thursday that he didn't recall making the remarks. ...

Hours before the reported comments about Hitler surfaced Thursday, Schwarzenegger addressed allegations in the Los Angeles Times, which reported the claims of six women who accused him of sexually harassing and groping them between 1975 and 2000. ...

At his first campaign stop Friday, in Arcadia, the actor made no references to either controversy.

The Republican instead delivered his stump speech promises of restoring glory to California before an enthusiastic crowd of more than 1,000. Some supporters held signs reading: "Gray Davis groped me ... While reaching for my wallet." ...
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 06:31 PM
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25. schwarzenegger fights own past
interesting comment in last paragraph... "we all have skeletons in the closet"... but, some of those "skeletons" in Arnie's past still have flesh on them, don't they? in fact, some of them are still living and breathing...

schwarzenegger fights own past

``...
ARCADIA, Calif. (Reuters) - Declaring that "the people know my character," Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger struggled on Friday to put allegations of sexual misconduct and Nazi sympathies behind him as more women came forward to accuse him of making unwanted sexual advances. ...

Women's groups, joined by former candidate turned recall opponent Arianna Huffington, held protests around the state urging Schwarzenegger to drop out of the race as a new allegations of groping surfaced from nationally syndicated radio host Joy Browne.

Los Angeles television station KABC reported that despite the controversy, Schwarzenegger was gaining in its poll, picking up 2 percentage points to reach 40 percent support, leading the pack of replacement candidates. ...

High-level Republicans and Schwarzenegger himself said the attacks against him were politically motivated. "It's all obviously evil Democratic work," former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan told Reuters. "You're going to have things like this happen and then you get back to message."

"We all have skeletons in the closet."
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