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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 01:59 PM
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$50 billion more asked for Iraq, Afghan terror wars
The Senate Armed Services Committee has recommended a further $50 billion be set aside to fund U.S. military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S.-declared global war on terrorism.

The proposed new war spending for fiscal 2006, which starts Oct. 1, would push the cost of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and its aftermath toward $250 billion, far ahead of initial expectations voiced by the Bush administration.




http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050513/ts_nm/iraq_congress_funding_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:00 PM
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1. Didn't we just spend $82 billion this week?
Edited on Fri May-13-05 02:01 PM by Bleachers7
:wtf:
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:04 PM
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3. yes this is a new request
" Three days ago Congress gave final approval for an $82 billion emergency war-spending bill, of which about $76 billion would go to war-fighting.

The additional $50 billion for war spending had bipartisan support on the committee. "

... Oil is very pricey to protect you see ....

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:07 PM
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6. How much does that plant cost which the soldier is squashing?
We have to save money, y'know...
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:11 PM
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8. About one and a half lives n/t
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:16 PM
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9. exactly
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:37 PM
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43. OMG!! ROFLMAO!!
I was so :wtf: at this news that when I got to your post

I began :rofl: with tears in my eyes. Thank God I can still afford Kleenex.

Thanks for the humor - I sure needed a dose of it.

Now - where was I? :wtf:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:35 PM
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14. "bi-partisan support"????
:wtf:


WTF is going on in Washington?



DAMNIT!!!!


Viva La Revolucion!!
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:07 AM
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50. Indeed!
"WTF is going on in Washington?"

Refuse to vote for it unless they attach a bill that cancels out the Real ID act!

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:09 PM
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40. The Roman Legions would have been taking pictures of occupied territories
(after a nice fresh dose of FREEDOM to the natives) if cameras existed back then!

I can just see a young Caesar standing above his troops, a conquering warrior proud of his new assets (nice looking oil ministry building) and slaves.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:46 PM
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20. No, *three days* ago... Halliburton must be hungry again. n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:01 PM
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2. well closing those bases will save us about 49 billion dollars
over 20 years... maybe we should close'm all :shrug:

peace
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:45 PM
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19. Well, I think we can see
what their focus is. They're going to close a large number of bases, in order to save money. Save money for what?

Obviously, to keep fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's what their focus is. As we keep losing more and more money and lives, they will tighten their grip more maniacally.

"Just a few more months. I know we can win this!"

"It's there! On the horizon. I can see VICTORY, very clearly. Just a few more billion, and we'll win"

"A few more thousand lives, and we'll get it. I just know it."

"This time, it'll work".
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:27 PM
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26. Guess you can close lots of bases if you plan on having your soldiers
in the theatre of war all the time.
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ltgengr2005 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:04 PM
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34. Closing Bases
We are closing bases and laying off hundreds of US citizens in order to save money. Why not pull all the troops out or Iraq and us that money to strenghten our economy. Besides Iraq will just end up in a civil war in a couple of years. Bush is full of sh*t.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:49 AM
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55. i hear ya
welcome to DU :toast:

peace
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:06 PM
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4. And more and more and more
The bottomless pit

"The costs of the Iraq war would be $50 billion to $60 billion"
- Mitch Daniels, director of the Office of Management and Budget
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:07 PM
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5. will most of this go for sign-up to die bonuses?
:argh:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:08 PM
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7. That's about how much we'll save over 20 years after the base closings
We can afford it now.

:eyes:
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:25 PM
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10. “We’re dealing with a country...
“We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.” Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, 3/27/03.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:40 PM
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17. also from 2003
Bush’s top economic advisor, Larry Lindsey, told the Wall Street Journal that the war would cost between $100 and $200 billion and was fired for doing so.


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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:25 PM
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28. And he darn well should have been fired!
Darn Larry and his low-ball estimates.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:28 PM
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11. This is criminal!
How can people not see what incredible waste this is? Halliburton & Betchel pocket billions without any accounting of where & how the funds are being spent. I don't believe in an afterlife, but for these guys, I hope there is a very special & horrifying place reserved for them for eternity.

This makes me sick & very ashamed of my country.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:29 PM
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12. Well this just sucks
So much for eliminating the deficit.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:31 PM
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13. NOBODY could have EVER predicted that blah blah blah blah
blah blah Turkey blah blah blah Shinseki stupid blah blah blah fucking French sellouts blah blah blah never said it wouldn't blah blah Clinton's fault blah blah blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAH. Support our troops.
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:37 PM
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15. This is sick!!
This shit is starting to take a psychological toll on me. Anybody else find themselves in a really crappy mood sometimes for no apparent reason?

When will the American people arise from their slumber?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:42 PM
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18. I do
I do....and I've been at this on news sites following the messiah-chimp-in-chief and taking note of all of his turds along the way for three and a half years. My head is so full of stink, I think it about to explode sometimes.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:38 PM
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16. What is this $250 billion total?
The latest appropriation for $76 billion was on top of $200 billion already spent. Another $50 billion means we're well up over $300 billion to make Saddam get out of town. And we're considering asking him back, if he'll calm the Sunnis down. Or the Shiites. I don't know who's who.

But because "some sources" in the administration say it's money well spent, the American media are muzzled, and can't say that we're just pounding sand down a very deep rathole.

Thanks, New York Times, Washington Post, NBC, CBS, ABC and the rest. Your total spinelessness and inability to call a quagmire a quagmire ensure that the Treasury will continue to be emptied and thousands more lives will be lost or ruined for the foreseeable future. There was a time in this country when that prospect would cause some people to object -- loudly and strenuously.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:02 PM
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38. It's the new "Bush Statistical Math". Where things just don't add up.
The earth is only 4,000 yrs old, exit polls are wrong, unemployment figures show that 105% of the workforce is employed...you know, that kind of thing.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:46 PM
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21. No shame
Edited on Fri May-13-05 02:48 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
My God, have they no shame? We just gave them 82 billion more less than a week ago, and then here they come again. They don;t even have the courtesy of "hat-in-hand".

And the Democrats will give it to them, of course. Meanwhile, our dollar sinks, our government becomes insolvent, the fat cats get rich, and we will still be here to pick up the pieces after our country gets demoted to third world status overnight..

And still there are NO RESULTS out of Iraq. None save for smoke and mirror tricks. There is only one solution...get out of Iraq. The civil war there is inevitable whether we are there or not. At least at home our soldiers will no longer be dodging bullets. Tactically, psychologically, logistically, etc. we cannot handle being in Iraq.

We have lost (I said this elsewhere over a year ago, but hey, nothing I have seen since has ever convinved me otherwise, including their fake elections).
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:02 PM
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23. Love the rant. Thanks.
Now I'm wondering: how much did we spend in VietNam before we threw in the towel?

I know we lost over 58,000 US troops. So far, we're only at 1,614 so we have a long ways to go. We were in VietNam for 10 years.

But what about the cost? Maybe that will get us out sooner?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:11 PM
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27. More numbers
The total cost of the Vietnam war was 176 billion dollars.

3 million served in the war.

58,000 deaths, 150,000 wounded, 20,000 permanently disabled. Several hundred thousand with PTSD or Agent Orange exposure.

Iraq has cost us more in terms of money, less in terms of life. However, I would point out that the money of Vietnam needs to be adjusted for inflation and the deaths in Iraq need to be adjusted for BushCo's attempts at deflation.

25% of Iraq war vets are going to be permanently disabled, minimum, if the rate from Iraq War I holds. We have used the same weapons, and soldier are getting the dreaded Gulf War Syndrome, just like the first war. (Depleted uranium? Who knows?)

As many as 25,000-50,000 will be PTSD for sure.

We have about 20,000 wounded, and no numbers for permanently disabled.

The war is escalating, and so are the casualties. In Vietnam, two years of that war caused roughly the same casualties that you are seeing now. This is the normal pattern of an imperial power about have its butt handed to them...history is rife with examples of this.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:01 PM
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45. and remember
the ones that are wounded from this war are seriously fucked up, physically as well as mentally

the rapid response of care on the battle field has saved many many lives but these soldiers are going to need serious long term expensive care

where is exactly does the VA hospitals fit in with all this money being requested ...

not even on the radar with this criminal administration

fucking pissed today
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 02:46 PM
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22. Is this the Friday afternoon news dump? (nt)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:54 PM
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48. Exactly my first thought. nt
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:06 PM
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24. So much for the 50 billion saved from the base closings
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:07 PM by Charlie Brown
that's the quickest jump into the red I've ever encountered
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:19 PM
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25. But close soldiers' bases (homes) and WALTER REED HOSPITAL
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:19 PM by LynnTheDem
to "save $49 billion over TWENTY YEARS".

DAMMIT now I'm BLOODY ANGRY AGAIN!!!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:34 PM
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30. Ever get the feeling that Amerika....
is an Oligarchy sliding toward a Fascist Police State?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:10 PM
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31. Never thought I would EVER, regardless of circs, say
NOT MY COUNTRY.

Not anymore.

:(
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:30 PM
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29. NO! NO! NO!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:34 PM
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32. I think we have been pick pocketed enough by this admin, don't you
:kick:
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:59 PM
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33. Your Taxes Funding Mass Murder and Planetary Destruction
"It is part of the general pattern of misguided
policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which
was bred in an artificually induced psychosis of war hysteria and
nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear."
-General Douglas MacArthur, Speech, May 15, 1951




http://www.warresisters.org/wtr_menu.htm
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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:18 PM
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35. So what new riders do the rethugs wanna add this time?
eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:57 PM
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36. bush better stop wasting our
money on propoganda parties and security while traveling around making an ass out of himself!
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Paintedlady Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:00 PM
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37. Remember the message from the resistance?
Here's a paragraph from the video/speech they released.

We will pin them here in Iraq to drain their resources, manpower, and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they steal, if not more.

It looks like they are accomplishing their goal.
I have no doubt they will bankrupt the US.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:41 PM
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44. the resistance isn't the one bankrupting us
you needn't look any further than your own backyard.
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Decay Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:06 PM
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39. Somebody somewhere is getting very rich.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:09 PM
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41. Costs a lot of money to train the new soldiers who are about to be drafted
Lot of money.

Don

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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:13 PM
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42. $50 Billion here, $50 billion there, and soon you're talking big money.
Exactly how many kids in poverty could this help? Eff everyone who contributed to this genocide. I can't believe my paycheck goes to support this war on civilians. It makes me want to quit, seriously.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:04 PM
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46. May 13th-The Cost of the War In Iraq-$169,474,894,471
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 01:42 AM
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51. +86b last week, and the 50b now
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:10 PM
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47. And still no mention of "The Memo" from any Top Democrats.
Billions of dollars blown based on LIES- but Kerry, Dean, Hillary, Reid etc cant even utter a single sentence about "The Memo."

I- know- I know they are talking about Bolton, who also lied about Iraq- so why not bring this in since there is a nexus???
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:02 PM
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49. "initial expectations" HAHAHAHAHA
Yeah.

Not ONE SINGLE THING this Administration has said about this war, or anything for that matter, ends up how they claimed it would. With the media's strong support, they blow smoke up the collective asses of the American people and far too many just grab their ankles and smile.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:33 AM
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52.  Kerry, Dean, Hillary, Reid etc
Sen Kennedy stated that the case for Iraq invasion was a fraud cooked up in Crawford, TX. Anyone remember that? How many in Congress backed him up? Now there is proof that the intell was going to be provided to justify the illegal invason and most in Congress are silent about it.

Something is going on and it stinks.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:24 AM
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53. Like little kids asking for cookies....
Keep asking for more until they say NO.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:22 AM
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54. kick n/t
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