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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:00 PM
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Anti-gay group plans picket ("God Hates Fags" attacks Ellen essay)
DRACUT -- A Kansas-based evangelical group plans to picket Englesby Intermediate School June 6 after a student won an essay contest writing about openly gay comedienne Ellen DeGeneres.

A flier from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka singles out a Women in History essay written by a 12-year-old student who chose DeGeneres as her subject. The invective-laden leaflet includes a photo of the Englesby School and a grotesque devil. The diatribe attacks the staff, labeling it a “homo-fascist regime,” among other things.

Acting Police Chief Kevin Richardson said he received a communication from Fred Phelps, pastor of the Kansas church, asking for information about securing the proper permits. Richardson recoiled when shown the flier, saying, “No, we didn't get this.”

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An initial complaint about the essay was lodged with the School Department by Bernadette and Dino Theodore, who live on Methuen Street.

“A woman's sexuality has no bearing on whether they are a woman in history,” Bernadette Theodore told The Sun. “There's no place for this in the public schools. These children at the Englesby are 9 to 12 years old. There is a parental notification law. The school should have given us the opportunity to at least tell our children that this was coming.”

more = http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2733877
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:12 PM
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1. *ehem* Do they know what the word fascist means?
Fascism
* A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
* A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

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Seems as if they are the ones that want to dictate with terror, censorship, belligerent nationalism, and racism. But what do i know.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:12 PM
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2. Who's the bigger bigot?
Fred Phelps is just a nasty piece of trash. But, the Theodores are no better, in my opinion. I would rather have a 'screaming bigot' any day! It is the 'closeted' bigots that make life tough.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:15 PM
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3. With 1,600+ soldiers dead, a president who lied so they could die....
and no end to the carnage called Operation Prevailing Freedom in sight, THIS is what these people are worked up in a snit about? This, and "intelligent design."

I hope they all get so worked up they all fucking drop dead from apoplexy. They can keep each other company in HELL.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:04 PM
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12. If there is an intelligent designer
of mankind why didn't he create more intelligence?
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:19 PM
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4. Aren't there real issues to worry about?? Like I dunno--the wars over seas
These people are truly :crazy:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:26 PM
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5. Impressive...intimidating a twelve year-old...
By the way, Bernadette and Dino...screw you, too.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:49 PM
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6. Any DUers in that area, PLEASE keep us up to date on this;
if those assholes show up, I want to be there if I can possibly find the time.

I think if we show up in sufficient numbers, those morons will wish they'd stayed in Kansas.

It's damned important for us to tell them they are NOT welcome in New England.

Redstone
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:52 PM
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7. I still think someone should get godhatesfascists.com
The sky's the limit!
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:01 PM
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8. This group is notorious. They're heading to my town too.
http://www.tracypress.com/local/2005-05-03-Protest.html

Thankfully there are way many more counter-protesters coming in from the Bay Area.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:16 PM
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9. We stood up against them in red Idaho
when they wanted to place a hate plaque against Matthew Sheperd in a public park.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:49 PM
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10. Carpetbaggers!
I'll be the same people bemoan the Federal government "interfering" in their home state or complain that other people should mind their own business when people point out how they try and screw up their own communities.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:50 PM
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11. And the most astonishingly cynical, corrupt thing is that they call
their hate and invective-filled actions "Love Crusades."

If there were a just God, he'd grant each and every one of them a painful, terminal disease.

Redstone
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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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13. Anti-gay group plans picket
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2733877

Attacks Dracut school after student wins contest with Ellen DeGeneres essay

By DENNIS SHAUGHNESSEY, Sun Staff

DRACUT -- A Kansas-based evangelical group plans to picket Englesby Intermediate School June 6 after a student won an essay contest writing about openly gay comedienne Ellen DeGeneres.

A flier from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka singles out a Women in History essay written by a 12-year-old student who chose DeGeneres as her subject. The invective-laden leaflet includes a photo of the Englesby School and a grotesque devil. The diatribe attacks the staff, labeling it a “homo-fascist regime,” among other things.

Acting Police Chief Kevin Richardson said he received a communication from Fred Phelps, pastor of the Kansas church, asking for information about securing the proper permits. Richardson recoiled when shown the flier, saying, “No, we didn't get this.”

Richardson is reviewing the church's permit applications. He said a meeting is planned for
Monday between his department, Town Manager Dennis Piendak and Superintendent of Schools Elaine Espindle to come up with a strategy to handle the protest.

“Right now, I don't think I could issue a permit, especially if they're going to be on school grounds. It will disrupt the school day,” Richardson said. “It's a balancing act. On one hand we want to make sure everyone is safe, but we can't violate their civil rights.”

Richardson said he has no idea how many protesters would attend.

“It could be just two people. We have no idea,” he said. “But we'll have a solid game plan in place.”

Reached by phone, Phelps acknowledged that the flier came from his church, but would not say how he knew about the essay.

“I don't know if I could give you a name. We receive e-mails from all over the country informing us of these things,” he said. “We had about 22,000 last year. It may have just been the case where we saw it online. We have people all over the country who go online and look for these things. They contact us and we follow up on it.”

Phelps gained notoriety by demonstrating at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the 21-year-old Wyoming man who was murdered in an anti-gay hate crime in 1998. Phelps and his supporters stood across the street from the church shouting at the mourners and holding signs that read, “Matthew is in hell.”

Phelps said the demonstrators coming to Dracut are not necessarily from his church.

“We have a network of people across the country and a bunch of lawyers who handle the legal,” he said.

Asked about the incendiary nature of the epithet-laced flier, Phelps said, “I'm just like Harry Truman. He didn't start out giving them hell and I don't give them hell, but I preach it like American preachers preached in days gone by.”

An initial complaint about the essay was lodged with the School Department by Bernadette and Dino Theodore, who live on Methuen Street.

“A woman's sexuality has no bearing on whether they are a woman in history,” Bernadette Theodore told The Sun. “There's no place for this in the public schools. These children at the Englesby are 9 to 12 years old. There is a parental notification law. The school should have given us the opportunity to at least tell our children that this was coming.”

The Theodores said they knew nothing about the flier or the planned demonstration.

“I solemnly swear that it didn't come from us,” said Bernadette. “I strongly disagree that the Ellen DeGeneres essay should have gotten an award, but I'm not a hateful person. We had nothing to do with that flier.”

The Theodores said there are several families who feel as they do, although they could not provide names.

“It's starting to snowball,” Dino Theodore said. “People are upset. The paper that was submitted for approval had nothing to do with women in history. It had nothing to do with the intention of the assignment. But their view seems to be that she's gay and she's a woman in history. That (decision) speaks for itself.”

The Theodores contend that the essay was reviewed by school Principal Robert Young, Curriculum Coordinator Dr. Linda Trouville and Espindle, who made the final decision.

Young did not return calls to his office. A secretary said that all inquiries had to go through the administration office. Espindle did not return repeated calls to her office. She was unavailable when a reporter visited her office. The Sun could not obtain a copy of the essay.

The Englesby Intermediate School houses students in the fifth and sixth grade. The church plans to have picketers outside the school on June 6.

The Kansas church has also planned a demonstration on June 5 at Lexington High School's graduation at the Tsongas Arena. A separate flier from the church targets Lexington High School for having recognized such groups as the Gay-Straight Alliance Club.



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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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14. Somebody needs to take care of Phelps.
And I want to shake that person's hand.
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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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15. You'd better believe
I'll be there to face down the two or four wackos that dare show up. I won't be alone, either. You'd better believe the town will stand up to this. Phelps get the hell out of Massachusetts!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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20. Put up a big sign requesting people to pledge
money to a local GLBT group, donation to be determined by the length of time Phelps is there. In other words, pledge $1 a minute for each minute Phelps protests.

That way, the longer Phelps stays, the more money he knows will benefit a GLBT group. Might inspire him to leave sooner.
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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16. Kansas? Probably takes their minds off their maniac ministers..
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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17. I work in Methuen...
Maybe I can get there for a little bet...but it's a new job...can't take the day off. This is getting more and more disgusting by the day.

Picketing with hateful intention against children.........writing about a successful, openly gay woman, & helping to remove a stigma that leads to so many juvenile suicides. Which is more dangerous to "the children"?...gee....um....hard choice, huh?
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the arkansas liberal Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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18. Phelps is a Lunatic -- Alert the Media...
I ran into this group in 1998 at the Tulsa,OK Gay Pride picnic at a public park. The cops wisely had a barricade between us and the Phelps crew. I talked with a coupe of the members. Hate to say it, they were fairly homely and way overweight. I told 'em if they were really following Bible they would know about Fruits of the Spirit (see Galatians) and would practice self-control (temperance). They cursed at me and spewed such vitriol I was taken aback. Then the bitchy queen in me rose up and I told them it takes a real man to get it up the ass, or something like that. My friends drug me away at that point. Not too proud of myself but still...

Most of his core "congregation" are actually family members, or at least that's the way it used to be. No one takes him seriously, and I think he was put on Earth to test our patience with the First Amendment. If this cancer is not allowed to protest, then none of us will be able to, either. His website, btw, is called godhatesfags.com. Gives you an idea of this "minister's" agenda. Don't know if it is still active as I will never hit that one up, I can tell you.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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19. Welcome to DU!
n/t
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 09:55 PM
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21. Maybe they'll be too busy to show up... you know... what with the trial,
evolution, the 10 commandments tour, and all sorts of other "hot" events on their dance card.

Sheesh, when are the good people of Kansas gonna take back their state?
And if not... can't we kick 'em out... and not let 'em cross any borders?

i'mjustsayin'
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:12 PM
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23. ByTheRiver
Per DU copyright rules
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Thank you.


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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:31 PM
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26. Oh my God
Phelps gained notoriety by demonstrating at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the 21-year-old Wyoming man who was murdered in an anti-gay hate crime in 1998. Phelps and his supporters stood across the street from the church shouting at the mourners and holding signs that read, “Matthew is in hell.”

I'm floored by that.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 10:00 PM
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22. Correction: God doesn't *hate*. But, he/she sure doesn't like Fred Phelps
and his ilk. Get the picture?

O8)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:22 PM
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24. Fred Phelps also protested at the funeral of Rev. Fred Rogers. Yes...
God Hates Mister Rogers!


BT: I guess it is. Let's talk about the Mr. Rogers protest. I didn't think Mr. Rogers was gay?

FRED: Well, I don't know if he's gay or not but he's one of the foremost proponents of 'It's OK to be Gay.' And from the church he got ordained by and the Presbyterian church he goes to in Pittsburgh which is one of the few boldly fag-promoting churches, that's one of the few.

You've got a guy (Mr. Rogers) who has got millions of children's ears and he says he's gonna shoot straight to them about the weighty matters of life, death, divorce -- and then he steps gingerly around the fact that if you mess with that fag lifestyle you gonna split hell wide open.

More:
http://www.blacktable.com/daulerio030401.htm

Also:

Pittsburgh bids farewell to Fred Rogers with moving public tribute
Sunday, May 04, 2003
By Barbara Vancheri and Rob Owen, Post-Gazette Staff Writers
Fred Rogers would have loved it.

A group of about a half dozen members of an anti-gay organization gathered at the intersection of Penn Avenue and Sixth Street to protest what they called Rogers' failure to condemn homosexuality. The group, which included an 8-year-old girl, held signs expressing their hatred of gays and, while standing on a torn American flag, their hatred of America.

They were met by about 150 counter-demonstrators, members of gay rights and peace groups, who marched along the sidewalks and sang songs from Rogers' program while holding signs calling for love and tolerance. While there were some heated exchanges, there were no arrests either there or at three other sites -- the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the University of Pittsburgh and Chatham College.

The anti-gay group, members of the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas, has a history of picketing at funerals of gays and those they accuse of being supportive of gays. It is led by Fred Phelps, a self-proclaimed minister and disbarred attorney. He was not present at the demonstration yesterday.

The protesters were no match for the thankful sentiments, solemn and cheerful music and occasional bouts of hearty laughter inside Heinz Hall.

http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030504rogers0504p1.asp


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:28 PM
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25. "anti-gay group" Why don't they call them what they are: "Hate Group"
Phelps runs a Hate Group. In point of fact, he runs a terrorists organization.
I'm sick of the media and others sugarcoating our domestic terrorists as everything but what they really are...
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:31 PM
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27. Modern Day Witch Hunt
Different time and faces.... same mentality. Stand up for the "witches." They'd do the same for you.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:35 PM
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28. Talking points to all media: Fred Phelps says God Hates Mister Rogegers
Edited on Sat May-14-05 02:36 PM by IanDB1
Fred Phelps says God hates Fags, Mister Rogers, Ellen DeGeneres, and a 12 year old little girl from Dracut.

Fred Phelps protested at Mister Rogers' funeral, not because he was gay, not because he ever said anything pro-gay, but because he nevre said anything anti-gay.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:47 PM
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29. see related threads
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:47 PM
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30. Self-delete (duplicate)
Edited on Sat May-14-05 02:49 PM by IanDB1
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:57 PM
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31. If anyone here wants to discuss what to do about this, please PM me...
This includes people who are not from Massachusetts.

I have a plan.... Hmmmmmmm....

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:05 PM
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32. I wish God would get off his ass and smite these assholes
There, I said it.
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