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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:04 AM
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One year later, nation divided on gay marriage
Ok, so bottom line: nationally, Americans currently oppose same sex marriage 50-37, but support civil unions 46 - 41.

You'd never know the numbers were this close if you listened to the mainstream media, which likes to dishonestly portray national sentiment as against legal unions for gay couples.

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http://www.boston.com/news/specials/gay_marriage/articles/2005/05/15/one_year_later_nation_divided_on_gay_marriage/

Split seen by region, age, Globe poll finds
By Scott S. Greenberger, Globe Staff | May 15, 2005

Half of Americans polled say they don't want their states to recognize Massachusetts gay marriages, reflecting a continuing uneasiness or outright opposition to same-sex marriage that is especially strong in the South and in states that backed George W. Bush in 2004, according to a nationwide survey conducted for the Globe.

Nearly a year after same-sex couples were legally allowed to marry in Massachusetts, 50 percent of respondents said they opposed recognizing same-sex marriages from Massachusetts ''as legal in all 50 states," and 46 percent favored it. The respondents also said they disapproved of ''gay and lesbian couples being allowed to get married" by 50 percent to 37 percent.

Forty-six percent of respondents backed civil unions that would give gay couples ''some, but not all, of the legal rights of married couples" while 41 percent said they were opposed. Vermont and Connecticut have legalized civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, but Massachusetts remains the only state that has legalized same-sex marriage.

Overall, the poll suggested, attitudes toward gays and lesbians may be softening, and there are indications that support of gay marriage will grow as older people, who are more likely to oppose gay marriage, pass away.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:08 AM
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1. Translation- Conservatives can't stop thinking about gays
There is more gay sex going on in the heads of conservatives than there is in reality. Just my observation on a Sunday morning. I never get involved in the gay posts. It just doesn't seem like something the world should be worried about. Conservative repressors is a problem.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:23 PM
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5. The world shouldn't be worried about gay marriage
but dubya & co keep it in the limelight to fire up the fundi base. That good christian in the WH can't be wrong about anything if he wants to have marriage be the only true way.......hetero marriage that is. Diversion........no war news just SS and gay marriage. If you can buy the license, you can get married.
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Miami Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:36 PM
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15. Amen!
I agree with your post completely.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:12 AM
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2. I wish these articles would explain what "some but not all rights" means
I wish they would ask these people to spell out what legal rights of married couples they think gay people should not have.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:20 PM
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13. I bet the number would have been about the same if they had asked
if civil unions offered ALL the legal rights of a marriage.

Personally, I think the government should license, perform, and recognize ONLY civil unions.

Leave Holy matrimony for the churches.

If we stop using the word marriage in our laws to apply to both, the numbers would swing in the favor of equal rights for all Americans.



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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:15 AM
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3. Why don't we just declare 'marriage' a disastrous social experiment,
and get rid of it entirely? Civil Unions for all, I say!!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:39 PM
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8. Yes. "Marriage" can be a purely "religious" commitment. Civil Unions
can be a legal contract.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:11 PM
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11. The sad part is: Why TF should it matter to them?
There's an old saying I use to hear as a kid:

"Dogs bark at what they do not understand."
It's called "fear" of the unknown.

AND

"Nothing to fear but fear itself."
President Franklin D. Roosevelt

http://memory.loc.gov/learn/lessons/99/fear/intro.html
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:16 AM
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4. The 41% against civil unions are just not
facing reality. Homosexuals aren't going anywhere,so you may as well get used to it.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:12 PM
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12. Neo-Cons have to keep their faithful flock of Fristians reved-up.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:25 PM
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6. This is more media pandering allowing the Repubs to frame the debate
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:46 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Until the Dem's put a stop to each and every media headline on issues in which the terms are framed by the Repubs, this type of media BS hype for the Right will continue to divide our nation. This only further serves the Repubs in diverting attention away from the bigger issues crashing around their ears such as the failures and horrors in Iraq, our economy and its global effects, the health of our citizenry, and the biggest mistake and failure in having George W. Bush as the self-elected fascist leader of our nation.

This article isn't about the "gay issue". It's really about framing the debate and keeping alive any venality and division that has thrown our nation into a tailspin in terms of a dying democracy since the Clinton witch hunt and the grab for absolute power by the Re bubs.

We have become a nation of Us v. Them, and our nation is is suffering from a media blitz that is serving to destroy it.

I've said this before, and will say this again:

We all have a stake in the future of the United States. We are united in this concept regardless of our diverse cultures and views; We are the nation.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:35 PM
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7. I think gay people have to organize a very visible movement and stop
paying their taxes. If they are to have their civil rights messed with, and if they are treated as second class citizens or 3/5's of a person, they should make a statement with their pocketbooks. They pay taxes like everyone else who is a citizen, yet their rights are being taken away. No taxation without civil rights and representation. Period.

It would have to be something done in large numbers however to be effective. Gay and lesbian people and families contribute quite a bit economically to this country, they can make a very big statement with this.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:43 PM
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9. I completely agree with you
and it's sad that the national gay groups are so completely devoid of leadership.

This has got to be started at a grassroots level. The blacks did not gain their civil rights simply by the peaceful civil disobedience of Martin Luther King. Even though history ignores it, the Black Panthers and groups like them, SCARED enough white people in government into finally agreeing to equality.

As you eloquently said, gays and lesbians are paying huge amounts of cash to the government in taxes, yet they do not receive the same benefits and rights that straights do.

Taxation without representation. That's the whole ball game in a nutshell.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:07 PM
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10. They keep forgetting to ask the rest of American's what they think!
I know of NO ONE that worries about Gays! Sure don't mind taking their hard-earned taxpayments though.

Haughty, nervy, non-compassionate, non-Christ-like, anger-filled, predjudical hypocrital MORONS!

Of course, I sway from neo-conservatives and pin-head-wing-nut-religious-fanatics ;)
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:32 PM
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14. From the age breakdown, It will take 30-40 years before most Americans
support gay marriage. Maybe longer if some of today's young supporters change their minds as they get older.
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