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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:09 PM
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Inmate wants execution delayed so he can donate liver to sister
MICHIGAN CITY, Indiana (AP) -- An inmate condemned to die by injection next week asked the Indiana Parole Board to grant him clemency -- or at least enough time -- to donate his liver to his ailing sister.

"My sister is sick. She needs a liver," Gregory Scott Johnson said during a hearing Monday. "At this point, everything else -- including my own life -- is secondary to trying to help her if I can."

Johnson, 40, was sentenced to death for the 1985 murder of 82-year-old Ruby Hutslar. Authorities said he broke into her house, beat and stomped on her, then set a fire. His execution is scheduled for May 25.

Recipients' survival chances are much better if they receive a whole liver, said Dr. Joseph Tector of the Indiana University School of Medicine. Unlike some other experts, Tector has said the lethal injection of potassium chloride used in Indiana executions would not necessarily render the liver unusable after Johnson's death.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/17/execution.organ.donate.ap/index.html
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:11 PM
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1. felt sympathetic until
hearing he didn't bring up his sister's ailment until last moment.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:14 PM
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2. Either his sister's sick or she isn't
and really, what's an extra few weeks of life if you're on death row?

I say let him give his liver and more power to him.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:16 PM
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3. Exactly!
I thought that the Rethugs were all for 'the culture of life.'

They were all over saving Terri Schiavo (without going into my personal stance on that).

Surely, they want to save the sister's life under the best possible circumstances.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:21 PM
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4. looks like he bought some time
search on net found he was to be executed tomorrow am.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:45 PM
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12. So do you not feel sorry for his sister then?
Is vengeance more important to you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:29 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:43 PM
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5. Take it out in sugery, put it into sister, then just walk away from him
Let him die via surgery. Or would putting him out via anesthetic be too peaceful (rather than IV KCl)?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:46 PM
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:17 PM
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18. Why is that savagery?
sounds spot on to me.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:23 PM
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21. To take out someones liver and leave them on the
operating table to die. What fucking century is this? Do you consider yourself civilised or in any way from a civilised society.

Progress? Fucking barbarian. Mind you, you probably don't mean it your just a keyboard tough guy who doesn't believe in what he says so i'll let you off.

humanity is such a wonderful thing
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:36 PM
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24. What is better?
Lethal injection ruining perfectly good organs, or giving away those organs to people who need them, then letting him die?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:07 AM
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28. This was my thought. If he's going to be killed, kill him by anesthetic.
Do surgery, patch him up, kill him sounds totally wrong as does kill him, then remove his liver. By the way, I am not a keyboard tough guy, I'm a middle aged nurse who has been working in healthcare for a long time, dealing with life and death, perhaps seeing life and death matters differently than the public.

If he's gonna die, do it humanely and use what he can give rather than shooting him full of crap, painful death, possibly making organs useless.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:27 AM
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31. You didn't deserve that. nt
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:54 AM
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36. That wasn't your implication. You said "Then just walk away from him"
after his liver has been cut out. Your implying, leave him cut open on an operating table to die. So its execution by the removal of internal organs. They used to call that "Quartered" in the middle ages, taking your guts out while still alive and leaving you to die.

Your second post starts mentioning him dying peacefully and humanely under anasthetic, that was not your implication in your first post.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:28 PM
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39. That was the exact implication i got
:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:26 AM
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30. WTF? Sorry, they're right.
Unless you want to put a poisoned liver in his sister.

Other than the whole KILLING HIM thing, I don't see the savagery here. It's the same deal. He gets knocked out, he never wakes up.

What's the difference?
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:58 AM
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37. The implication of excecution by the removal of organs is medieval
they used to call it "quartered", thats what his post implied. No dying humanely it said "Then just walk awaY" The implications of removing body parts from prisoners as a method of killing them, to be given to other people is a dangerous precedent. Best way is, remove the state's right to murder its own people.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:38 AM
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29. Except that it violates the very basis of the doctor's oath
If you could find a doctor to perform that surgery and then let him die on the table, that man shouldn't be a doctor in the first place.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:57 AM
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41. Its also a "cruel and unusual punishment" Which is unconstitutional
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:57 PM
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6. Let him lose his liver and pass on te table,
heck, let him offer to farm out all his organs, we'll take them when we could use them.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:42 PM
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10. No doctor could ever do that
You really don't want to start encouraging organ farming, do you? Anyway, under the law and medical ethics, a doctor cannot perform an operation that would kill a healthy person.

I think Indiana still has an option for the death penalty, perhaps hanging?

I am opposed to the DP in most cases. To me, this doesn't rise to the level of horror that is my threshold. Like that father that killed his two kids, the Bundy's of the world who tortured their victims to death and so on. Life in prison for garden-variety murders.

Anyway, I hope they find a way to get the woman the liver. I have no idea if the drugs would ruin the liver; seems to me he would be dead and the drugs would stop moving long before they got to the liver.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:47 PM
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:19 PM
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19. I disagree
He's going to sacrifice ALL his organs to oblivion, why not let them do some good?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:28 AM
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32. You know, you're being AWFULLY fucking judgmental.
I'm just as against the death penalty as you are, and I agree with that idea.
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margaritamama Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:12 PM
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7. Let something good come from him
If there is any purpose to his life, let it be a last attempt of an offering. I say if he donates his liver to his sister the rest of this body should go to science.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:18 PM
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8. Where are the pro-lifers now?
Every one of the people who were clamoring for Terry Schiavo to be kept alive, should be applauding this man's actions, and should be contacting the governor and holding candlelight vigils for his sister.

*crickets chirping*
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:27 PM
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9. if you ask me, this is a great reason why the death penalty is a bad idea.
organs going to waste, poisoned with chemicals.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:49 PM
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15. Yeah fuck it
state sponsored murder. The authorities murdering its own citizens, this is hilarious.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:49 PM
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11. Gee.. the poor guy doesn't want his sister to die???
Wow.. guess that scum of the earth didn't really think about how it might feel for someone's relative if.. say.. their mother/sister/grandmother were stomped to death and set on fire. Guess it would kind of hurt to lose a relatve, wouldn't it? Now he gives a shit cuz it's HIS family??
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:14 PM
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16. Careful. Before you go completely off the deep end, keep in mind that....
...not all prisoners on Death Row have been guilty of the crimes of which they've been convicted. In fact, more than one hundred have been freed from their death sentences based on DNA findings. What we don't know is how many have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

While there's a very good chance this guy is guilty as charged I wish they would do DNA tests on every Death Row inmate to verify it.
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:11 AM
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34. Well, in this specific case, Gregory Scott Johnson
admitted to the murder, and to this day still admits to being guilty.

The man should be given the chance to donate whatever organs he wants.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:17 PM
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17. Additionally, are you trying to say that his whole family should suffer...
...because of the crime he committed?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:20 PM
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20. Exactly right
I don't get these people tonight :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:29 PM
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:02 PM
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25. no one should ever have ANYTHING to gain from an execution
Setting up an organ trade in the prisons gives some sectors of society a strong interest in imprisoning and killing as many people as possible. Call it the China effect.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:08 AM
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38. The only person gaining from the liver transplant would be his sister...
...were you referring to something else?
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:24 PM
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26. Confirmation of identical tissue match?
If he can get confirmation sister is an identical tissue match for his liver donation, probably stands a chance.

However, how do we know his liver is healthy to take a transplant?
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:55 PM
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27. A sweet gesture, totally needs to be prevented....
under duress no a good option
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:25 AM
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33. How does someone live without their liver???
Are they going to leave a tiny little bit to keep him alive long enough so that they can transport him over to Indiana's finest Death Chamber and kill him for the pleasure of the victim's family? This is of course America, where death and destruction are common place!
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Oggy Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:19 AM
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35. I think they would kill him first
From the original post:-

"Tector has said the lethal injection of potassium chloride used in Indiana executions would not necessarily render the liver unusable after Johnson's death."
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msrbly Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:40 PM
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40. Doctors would just take a portion of his liver
Maybe I misunderstood an earlier article I read but I believe one option (if there was a tissue match and if his liver was in the right condition) was to take a portion (possibly) half of his liver and implant that half in his sister. He would be allowed to recover (despite what some believe should be his fate), recuperate and his execution would be postponed. Recovery from this type of surgery takes about two months so about then he should be in good enough health to be killed. Ironic.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:07 AM
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42. A liver transplant does not require an entire liver. A portion of his

liver could be transplanted to his sister (assuming she actually needs a transplant and is a tissue match) and under normal circumstances he would live a long life, except that they plan to execute him.

The liver can regenerate, so the transplanted part in her would regenerate while what was left in him would do the same.

Shoot him full of poison and his liver's no use to her.

While they're doing the liver transplant, he could donate one kidney, too. You only need one kidney to live.
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