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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 05:58 AM
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Slayings deepen rift within Iraq

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505290309may29,1,2309820.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

BAGHDAD -- The mutilated bodies of Shiite men have been turning up in Sunni areas. The mutilated bodies of Sunni men have been turning up in Shiite areas. Cries for revenge have gone up on both sides.

The events don't add up to civil war, but a month into the life of Iraq's first elected government, it is becoming clear that the advent of democratic rule has done little to unite Iraqis and may even have sown the seeds of future sectarian conflict.

The formation of a government dominated by Shiites appears only to have polarized the country and aggravated the violence, exposing deep fissures between the newly empowered Shiites and the newly disenfranchised Sunnis whose boycott of January's election shut them out of power for the first time in history.

"Sectarianism has taken deep root in Iraq," said Ghassan Attiyah, an independent political analyst. "There is this fear that things might get bad, and that what we see happening are the early symptoms of civil war."

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 06:03 AM
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1. Let me know when things "get bad"...
:eyes:

~snip~

In the sprawling Shiite slum of Sadr City in Baghdad earlier this month, angry young men shouted "Revenge!" as they marched through the streets after the discovery of the corpses of six local Shiites, their eyes gouged out, their heads slashed open and their tongues cut out.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 06:09 AM
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2. Oh Oh, the unintended consequences of the Iraqi War.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 06:19 AM
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3. I am pretty convinced that the Sunni/Shia controversy
is intentional. The US evidently WANT civil war there... And I suspect it's one and the same people who are slaying Sunnnis and Shias.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to the Hague!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 06:26 AM
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4. I agree
It certainly helps the US plans to stay indefinitely.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 06:41 AM
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5. The NeoCons need Civil strife to exploit the region economically
Hey Bill, how do you like your New Yacht?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 07:04 AM
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6. Shi'ite and Sunnis may come to a peace accord.
Al Sadr is reaching out. Some U.S. officials feel that this is a good sign. It may be one for the Iraqis but if the Sunnis and Shi'ites decide that the U.S. Occupation must end it won't be so good for the Bush Regime.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 07:09 AM
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7. Reminds me of Central America
Edited on Sun May-29-05 07:10 AM by malaise
when a certain not so gentleman was organizing death squads. Where is he these days???
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 02:00 PM
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17. Interesting take. el.Please elucidate
Edited on Sun May-29-05 02:04 PM by reprobate
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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8. LAT: Risk of Civil War Spreads Fear Across Iraq
Edited on Sun May-29-05 09:28 AM by DeepModem Mom
Risk of Civil War Spreads Fear Across Nation
Many worry that strains between Sunnis and Shiites could ignite a conflict that would overwhelm U.S. troops and the government.

By Jeffrey Fleishman, Times Staff Writer


BAGHDAD — Explosions rip through marketplaces, scattering blood and vegetables and leaving women wailing in the alleys. Bodies bob in rivers and are dug up from garbage dumps and parks. Kidnappers troll the streets, sirens howl through morning prayers and mortar rounds whistle against skylines of minarets.

Iraqis awake each day to the sounds of violence. With little respite, many wonder whether strange, terrible forces are arrayed against them. They fear that weeks of sectarian and clan violence, claiming the lives of all types from imams to barefoot fishermen, are a prelude to civil war....

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Interviews with Iraqis from Basra to Baghdad to Mosul suggest that much of the nation fears that intensifying strains between Sunni and Shiite Muslims could ignite a conflict that would overwhelm the increasingly unpopular Iraqi government and 140,000 U.S. troops. Abu Mohammed (who sells books along the Tigris River) blames, among others, Saddam Hussein...."Saddam created hostile sentiments between Sunni and Shiite," Mohammed said. "It was like a fire hidden under a cover and waiting to turn into a blaze. The remnants of Saddam Hussein are now trying to stoke and enlarge this fire. I blame both the Shiites and the Sunnis for playing parts in stirring up hostilities."

Nearly 700 people have been killed in car bombings and by shootings and beheadings in the last month. What concerns U.S. officials and ordinary Iraqis is that militant leaders such as Abu Musab Zarqawi are attempting to instigate a two-track war: one, the continuing battle between insurgents and American and Iraqi forces, and another between Shiite and Sunni Arabs that could possibly draw in Kurds from the north....


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mood29may29,0,2131956.story?coll=la-home-world
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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9. I wonder what side we're on
and if our side wins, how long before we're fighting them.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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10. Some of the bombs
are being planted in unsuspecting Iraqi cars at checkpoints by U.S. forces.

I read this on a fairly credible source within the last week. Do I believe it? Let me just say that nothing is outside the realm of possibility to me after having been told so many lies already.

Also, how do we know that Zarqawi isn't Al CIAda just as bin Laden so obviously is (or was, assuming he has died from kidney failure)?

I have a feeling nothing is as it appears in Iraq.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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12. I would disbelieve it mainly because it is redundant
So many bombs are being set by non US troops that any snuck in by US troops would only be a drop in the bucket. Why bother? Just wait a while. Patience and things will go boom in due time.

Not that I have a habit of unnecessarily ascribing evil to US citizens or troops, either. I just think in this case the silliness of the logic is sufficient to skewer the point.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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14. "Follow the money."
All I have to do is examine who benefits from the division and unrest to understand who's stirring the pot.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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11. So the PNAC Gang$ters had no idea...
... it was their ol' bud' dictator who was the best 'deterrent' to the civil war...

... and these absolute idiots wanna dominate the world ...

:silly:
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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15. We've heard this before. . . now where and when? . . .
oh, yeah . . . just before the Iraqi Attacki was launched! That's right. Many of the "focus group" were focused on this very idea. Too bad the "absolute idiots" were so focused on world domination they couldn't see the disaster about to unfold. . .
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:17 PM
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16. or perhaps... that's what they WANTED without saying it out...
Edited on Sun May-29-05 01:22 PM by Amonester
... loud ... still, that wouldn't make 'em less "idjuts" IMO, but yeah, we can easily "suspect" that this civil war was part of their plan, as in create a situation in which the civilians, the insurgents, the foreign jihad-ers will all take the T.N.T. we "gave" 'em for "free" and just have a final "go" at each other's arse until there's "almost" nobody left standing," which gives the invaders the exact "diversion" to get to the oil they wanted from the start, which was years 'n years ago...

If so, then it wouldn't be them idiots who would be that much idjiotic, but certainly those who do believe in their never ending lies and propaganda, without ever questioning themselves about their real agenda, hey?

:hide:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 11:49 AM
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13. And this is what the butcher
sadam had in check. And this is what the butcher bush has brought about.
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