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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:01 PM
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C.I.A. Expanding Terror Battle Under Guise of Charter Flights
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Secrecy Is Difficult

Aero's much-larger ancestor, Air America, was closed down in 1976 just as the United States Senate's Church Committee issued a mixed report on the value of the C.I.A.'s use of proprietary companies. The committee questioned whether the nation would ever again be involved in covert wars. One comment appears prescient.

When one C.I.A. official told the committee that a new air proprietary should be created only if "we have a chance at keeping it secret that it is C.I.A.," Lawrence R. Houston, then agency's general counsel, objected.

In the aviation industry, said Mr. Houston, who died in 1995, "everybody knows what everybody is doing, and something new coming along is immediately the focus of a thousand eyes and prying questions."

He concluded: "I don't think you can do a real cover operation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/national/31planes.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=fb926b60a8326025&hp&ex=1117512000&partner=homepage
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-05 09:21 PM
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1. The CIA battling terror is like Larry Flynt fighting pornography.
What a load of shit.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:26 AM
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2. also from the article
The planes, regularly supplemented by private charters, are operated by real companies controlled by or tied to the agency, including Aero Contractors and two Florida companies, Pegasus Technologies and Tepper Aviation.

The civilian planes can go places American military craft would not be welcome. They sometimes allow the agency to circumvent reporting requirements most countries impose on flights operated by other governments. But the cover can fail, as when two Austrian fighter jets were scrambled on Jan. 21, 2003, to intercept a C.I.A. Hercules transport plane, equipped with military communications, on its way from Germany to Azerbaijan.

"When the C.I.A. is given a task, it's usually because national policy makers don't want 'U.S. government' written all over it," said Jim Glerum, a retired C.I.A. officer who spent 18 years with the agency's Air America but says he has no knowledge of current operations. "If you're flying an executive jet into somewhere where there are plenty of executive jets, you can look like any other company."

Some of the C.I.A. planes have been used for carrying out renditions, the legal term for the agency's practice of seizing terrorism suspects in one foreign country and delivering them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture. The resulting controversy has breached the secrecy of the agency's flights in the last two years, as plane-spotting hobbyists, activists and journalists in a dozen countries have tracked the mysterious planes' movements.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:33 AM
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6. wow, the Austrian Air Force actually scrambles fighters
when something is out of the prdinary. In 2001, the USAF still hadn't incorporated that routine.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:32 PM
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7. Well, they did prior to September
Remember Payne Stewart? They had jets surrounding that plane shortly after losing radio contact.
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:09 AM
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3. "Extraordinary Rendition"
" New Swedish Documents Illuminate CIA Action
Probe Finds 'Rendition' Of Terror Suspects Illegal

By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, May 21, 2005; Page A01

STOCKHOLM -- The CIA Gulfstream V jet touched down at a small airport west of here just before 9 p.m. on a subfreezing night in December 2001. A half-dozen agents wearing hoods that covered their faces stepped down from the aircraft and hurried across the tarmac to take custody of two prisoners, suspected Islamic radicals from Egypt.

Inside an airport police station, Swedish officers watched as the CIA operatives pulled out scissors and rapidly sliced off the prisoners' clothes, including their underwear, according to newly released Swedish government documents and eyewitness statements. They probed inside the men's mouths and ears and examined their hair before dressing the pair in sweat suits and draping hoods over their heads. The suspects were then marched in chains to the plane, where they were strapped to mattresses on the floor in the back of the cabin.

Contd at;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/20/AR2005052001605.html


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 09:39 AM
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4. 'Ghost' jet used for terror suspects
'Ghost' jet used for terror suspects
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1103442

Jet's trail spurs questions Mysterious Amer. plane tied to torture flights
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1155474


Germany Looks Into a U.S. Link in Kidnapping and Torture Claim -NYT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1133488

US Said to Regret Kidnapping of German

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According to Monday's edition of Der Spiegel newsmagazine, Washington has used unofficial channels to apologize to Berlin for kidnapping Khaled el-Masri. The 41-year-old German citizen says he was seized at the Serbian border with Macedonia in December 2003 and detained for five months at a prison in Afghanistan.

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German prosecutors have opened an investigation into the matter and have said they are taking el-Masri's claims "extremely seriously" after they managed to corroborate his story up until the moment of his alleged arrest at Serbian-Macedonian border.

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He says he was handed over to officials whom he thought were Americans, who flew him to Afghanistan, where he was shackled, beaten, injected with drugs and questioned about his alleged ties to the Al-Qaeda network.

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"It is an unusual case," Hofmann said. "The political dimension is huge. Under German law, we can charge a person with kidnapping, but not a country. Countries cannot kidnap people."

www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1459629,00.html
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:17 AM
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5. kick
TYY:kick:
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