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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:03 PM
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Roadside Bomb Kills Five Marines in Iraq
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Five U.S. Marines have been killed by a roadside bomb in western Iraq, the military said Friday.


The Marines were killed Thursday while conducting combat operations near the volatile Anbar province Haqlaniyah, 90 miles northwest of Baghdad.

At least 1,689 U.S. military members have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050610/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:04 PM
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1. EXIT PLAN NOW *
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:47 PM
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20. Preemptive Invasion => Preemptive Withdrawal
Mission Accomplished, etc.

Simple As That
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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:56 PM
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22. 'Fraid that is not the plan
Looks like the Bush bastard has no plans whatever
of leaving anytime soon. Why the majority of my Democrats are backing this is the part I cannot understand.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:37 PM
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43. More like...
premature ejaculation, followed by, "pull out! pull out!"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:04 PM
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2. But I thought the report earlier today said that the insurgents had quit
using bombs and were now resorting to drive-bys out of desparation.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:05 PM
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4. I guess they got 'un-frustrated'.
Five more dead for Bush's illegal war of choice.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:11 PM
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25. in one fell swoop
which shows that the Iraqis are becoming more skillful in guerilla warfare. They never leave. The divisions do. Meanwhile, the newly arrived division is just learning the ropes. Even if they were part of the initial invasion, guerilla warfare is not the same.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:18 PM
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9. Didn't forward a copy to the insurgents
Someone forgot to send the insurgents a copy of that report, I guess.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:43 PM
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18. RIP
Please bring the troops home alive and not in boxes.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:10 PM
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24. The NeoCons failed to forward the script to the "insurgents".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:19 PM
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39. It was Cheney who said last week that the insurgents were on their last
leg (paraphasing).---He has two daughters that could easily enlist!!!!!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:05 PM
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3. CNN just now reporting confirmation of it.
:(
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:24 PM
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12. then went right back to MJ!
unbelievable! :banghead:
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:51 PM
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65. I just want to scream ....

I guess Howard Dean really does speak for me!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:06 PM
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:53 PM
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46. Nothing like a good laugh...
at the expense of soldiers' lives, eh? :eyes:
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:09 PM
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69. fucking tasteless
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:07 PM
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6. 1692 DEAD for LIES!
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 12:44 PM by leftchick
That brings us to 1692 DEAD FOR LIES!!! 25 DEAD in 10 days!!!

:grr:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:20 PM
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40. good headline (should be)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:11 PM
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7. the butcher's bill grows
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:16 PM
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8. the high cost of driving
that's why we're there, people.

bush's moral calculus: 20 american deaths/month is worth it to keep the oil flowing & america asleep & complacent as long as possible.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:21 PM
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10. In order to have a moral calculus
you have to have morals first!!!!

And Bush is as amoral as Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson, and John Wayne Gacy all rolled into one.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:03 PM
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36. they do have morals, or they THINK they do
bush believes much of his own BS.

cheney? he believes what the PNAC believes, that it is morally responsible to keep the machinery of america chugging along as smoothly as possible, never letting the sheeple see the frantic goings on behind the curtain. anything is morally acceptable when the alternative is chaos, ruin, and a second depression.

i'm convinced that is what they think they're doing.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:22 PM
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11. So the reisttance missed the memo AGAIN
I see... don't put C4 on your flowers or candy boys... ooops

:sarcasm:
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:30 PM
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13. How is it that we cannot counter this strategy?
This is far and away their best weapon. This would be as stupid as never figuring out any counter measures for submarines during WWII.
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:34 PM
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14. That would be admitting that there is serious fighting
And Shrubbie would hate to do that.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:36 PM
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15. There is a viable , effective , counter strategy, it's called
'Get the fuck out of Iraq right now!'
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:23 PM
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29. Because the Iraqis have home field advantage
All the fancy electronic gizmo's and drones in the world can't compensate for that.

Don

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:24 PM
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30. Roadside bombs are easily concealable, especially on dusty roads
Some are detonated by remote control, and others are detonated using wires. The remote controlled ones are easier to handle. US forces have been trying to broadcast signals ahead of the convoys to get the bombs to detonate prematurely, but it's a useless tactic against roadside bombs detonated by wires.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:13 PM
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37. Its a guerilla war and there is no countering it
they have hundreds of tons of explosives that they got from unguarded warehouses after the invasion.

They are pissed. They want us to leave their country.

They will keep killing us as long as we are there.

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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:25 PM
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56. That's an interesting question,
the thing is, they've got access to that 380 tons of high explosives that went missing from Al Qaqaa last year. That's very powerful stuff, i think a chiclet size piece of it could be used to make a bomb as strong as a hand grenade(if it's what i think it is).

Those roadside bombs could actually be quite small and hard to see. :(
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:03 PM
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66. Guerrilla warfare
can't be won, examples:

Americans against the British
Americans against the Vietnamese
Hitler against Stalingrad
etc.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:41 PM
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16. rw idiots claim that commenting on these deaths politicizes
them. This excuse eliminates the need to think about what the hell is happening.
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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:44 PM
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19. That is just about the saddest politiking I have ever heard
Beastly disregard for human life
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:43 PM
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17. Faux News has decided how to report on these things
And that is to stop reporting on military deaths:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144344,00.html

As of May 17, Fox has decided it's just not fair or balanced to report anymore on the names or the numbers dead in Iraq. That's how they're reporting it; I'll let you decide for yourselves.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:55 PM
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21. I'm not wavering anymore. Get the troops out, now!
We had no right to go there, but I felt there was once a slim window of opportunity to "fix what we broke."

Now even that window is broken. Bring our troops home, now!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:58 PM
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23. Not Again
Boy that cache of RDX we forgot to guard has been really inconvenient. Think about it. A bomb large enough to kill 5 people at close range, made of military grade HX, is not all that big. And they've got tons of it.
The Professor
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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:16 PM
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27. I agree, get out now!!!
Now I am so sick of hearing the argument, well we lied to get in there, but now that we're there we can't just leave!!! WHY THE F NOT!?!?!?!?! Hello!!!!

We need to get out of that country, stop killing innocent iraqi's, stop killing our own children, stop capturing and torturing innocent people that we throw into prisons with no charges brought against them. This is just sickeningly disgusting. We need to get OUT NOW!!! God won't someone help?

:banghead: :cry:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:12 PM
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26. Remember when Rummy used to call those guys "dead-enders"?
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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:46 PM
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34. I also think....
the complete and utter disregard for human life by this administration, and what is more and more beginning to seem like genocide to me of Muslims by these insane Christian Fundamental patients is horrifying.

Now they are slowly but surely moving the fighting closer and closer to the Syrian border. If I remember correctly, regime change in Syria was one of the requirements of the PNAC's plan to re-open the Haifa pipeline...

Iraq, Syria Agree to Reopen Pipeline- Israel Resource Review 21st December, 1999

Iraq and Syria have agreed to reopen an oil pipeline shut down since 1980.

The reopening of the oil pipeline would allow Iraq to export oil through Syria to Western Europe at reduced cost. The pipeline will also bring revenue to Syria.

>snip<

For years, Iraq has been exporting oil the Iraqi harbor of El-Bakr on the Gulf and through a pipeline that passes through Turkey to Jihan harbor on the Mediterranean Sea.

Oil analysts said the reopening of the pipeline through Syria could lead to an increase in Iraqi exports. They said it would also reactivate the Gulf harbor at Khour El-Amia. They said Iraqi oil exports could be increased from nearly 600,000 barrels daily to nearly 2.9 million barrels daily for the coming year.

In another development, the U.S.-based Largo Vista Group Ltd., said it reached an agreement for 49 percent of a joint venture to establish operations in the United Arab Emirates for distribution of petrochemical products worldwide. Majority share would be held by the UAE's Silver Falcon.

***more***

http://israelbehindthenews.com/Dec-21-99.htm

The Haifa pipeline

There is ample evidence that the plan to reopen the Haifa pipeline from Iraq to Israel has been in the works for many years, with Henry Kissinger an early progenitor of the project. James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists explains: "There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal. After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally Israel."

The plan was promoted at the time by Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration has now awarded multi-billion dollar contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq. The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks strategic oil reserves for Israel even if it entails domestic shortages. In 2002 the cost of ensuring Israeli reserves by these means cost US taxpayers $3 billion. However the new Iraqi pipeline will slash these costs with the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to a new source of Gulf oil.

An anonymous senior CIA source maintains: "It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States. The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project."

***more***

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraq_War

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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:03 PM
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61. Very interesting..
Thanx
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:14 PM
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38. I believe it was "a handful of dead-enders"
Guess Rummy can't count.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:19 PM
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28. But Unka Dickey Told Me They were in Their Death Throes n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:27 PM
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31. but not until 2009
Try reading the fine "used car salseman" print instead of skimming the headline grabber, buddy.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:32 PM
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32. Relax. These are acts of desperation.
We're winning. We've turned the corner. Freedom is on the march. We're bringing democracy to the middle east. That's what fearless leader keeps telling us.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:36 PM
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33. RIP, brave Marines
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:00 PM
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35. We told you so
This just never would have happened if we had been listened to two years ago.

We were right.
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deliusmax Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:21 PM
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41. At this rate,
the number of Americans killed in Iraq will be bigger than the number of Americans killed on 9/11 before the end of 2005.
This is such sad news..


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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:21 PM
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42. Oh my god
That is horrible. Usually when you hear about a roadside bomb it kills one or two (and one is one too many), but five... that is so tragic.

But nevermind, things are getting better, the insurgents are being defeated. "Bring 'em on" so we can fight them over there instead of over here. :sarcasm:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:40 PM
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44. Christ, what's it going to take to convince the sheeple that Iraq is a
no-win scenario for America?

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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:50 PM
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45. Thank goodness it happened on Friday!
Now the sheeple won't have to be troubled with the knowledge. Too busy preparing for the weekend...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:05 PM
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54. It was conveniently Reported on Friday!
It happened yesterday. Funny how they hold off reporting these awful statistics isn't it?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:06 PM
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47. According to Iraq Coalition
the U S causualty now stands at 1692.....but there is a story from over seas that list the total U S casualty at over 9,000....You might ask yourself this, Why are the deaths of our service men and women that die in Germany or other hospitals not reported?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:35 PM
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48. casualties aren't necessarily fatalities.
I believe that a casualty is anyone injured or dead. A fatality is a death.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:41 PM
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49. service personnel that die overseas are reported
Your assumption is wrong. And suggestions that there are thousands of "hidden" US military fatalities are wrong. And repeating them undermines the credibility of those who oppose the war. Our strongest argument against this war is that the country was deceived into invading Iraq by lies formulated by our government. If we aren't truthful ourselves, we undercut our own position. I know that because the govt lied to get us into the war that some people don't want to believe anything that comes out of the government regarding the war; but information about fatalities is and has been generally accurate and we should focus our attention on the real lies, not erroneous statements about the casualty reporting.

onenote
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:45 PM
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51. The good people at ICC manage to pick those up
They do track deaths at overseas and US hospitals from Iraq war wounds, even if the Pentagon won't.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:44 PM
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50. The pentagon is already on top of the situation..
we'll soon be hearing about Operation "Fill in the blank with something cool and scary"

Operation "Vice Grip"?
Operation "I'll cut your goddamn balls off"
Operation "Now you really did it!"
Operation "Don't touch those oil spigots!"

Ever notice whenever the shit hits the fan in Iraq, they need to come up with an Operation _____ to pacify the right wingers?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:56 PM
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52. In Bushco's Bizarro World, this means we're winning.
Those damn insurgents are getting desperate. :eyes:

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:04 PM
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53. The price of aggression.
It's terribly sad. I hope that the soldiers step up their resistance to carrying out an unjust war of aggression.
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dejaboutique Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:21 PM
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55. has to stop
very sad day. the news is hardly reporting it, CNN seems to be covering it the most. when MJ is over hopefully the news will be forced to focus on Iraq. RIP marines.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:26 PM
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58. its sad
Its sad when a story like this doesnt become a major headline, I have been off line for a day and came back to see the US death toll in Iraq is now 1692.
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il_lilac Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:28 PM
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57. recommend this story!
It only has 2.5 stars? Freepers don't want anyone to see it? They're killing our sons and daughters and the news is buried before they even are cold. This is so wrong.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050610/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;:cry:
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:30 PM
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59. delete
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 07:31 PM by Clarkie1
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:31 PM
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60. Bush is responsible for every one of these unecessary killings.
I'm really feeling pissed off about it today.

:grr:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:21 PM
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62. Let's not let this story fall off the radar...
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:24 PM
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63. When the US is involved in a civil war...
what can you expect!
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:27 PM
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64. Bush doesn't understand this
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 08:27 PM by ckramer
immoral war can NOT win.

Time to learn some history and admit mistakes.

Ask American people forgive him for the lies that led to this war.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:33 PM
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67. How many wounded Americans in this event?
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:07 PM
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68. If the US needed 'liberating' would the Iraqis come to our 'rescue'?
I find it hard to believe that the Iraqis would spend $200 billion and nearly 1700 lives to "bring democracy to America" or even "stablize it."

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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:46 AM
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70. NSA/ISP Blackbox rating: 839 Votes, 2.3 Stars
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